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Re: "We" got a new Stones Album
Reply #225 - Mar 27^th, 2023 at 12:11am

Ian, you seem to have me mixed up with iorr.org's "2120Joe"

Joe reported the following from Ronnie's gig, with lots of
important caveats...

What I believe I learned speaking to those I expect
are in the know, could just be rumor, but both statements
came in conversation with multiple people: 1) The album is
completed 2) We are waiting for Mick’s foot (sometimes ankle
stated) to heal for the tour to begin.

My opinion remains: 1) probably the album is completed,
but there could be some ongoing ovedubbing or editing or mixing,
they've still got a bit of time 2) Mick's foot, my foot! How
can anyone believe that a minor sprain in early Feb is enough to
cancel a major tour in June?! If there ever was a plan to tour
in June (which I now doubt) it never moved beyond the tentative
phase and it got the "no go" strictly for business reasons.
There will be no big American shows this year, just smaller
promotional gigs for the new album

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Re: "We" got a new Stones Album
Reply #226 - Mar 27^th, 2023 at 12:48am

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Mar 27^th, 2023 at 12:11am:

Ian, you seem to have me mixed up with iorr.org's "2120Joe"

Joe reported the following, with lots of important caveats...

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Oh I thought you were the one to first report the show / info.. sorry and thank you for clarifying.

As per your second point (#2) .. Well .. do not know what is going on with Mick or Micks foot or ankle (if anything is at all) though. We don't live with him. He could have tendons that need to heal or whatever in that ankle. I am not saying that this is the scenario or that Mick is certainly injured but keep in mind he is eighty years old ..

He could have his ankle wrapped in public or they might have to wait to see how it comes along etc. etc. Bad Sprains don't always (or always only) just take a few weeks to heal. Again he is 80 .. Even at any age it depends on what he has going on and with that said he will need to start preparing it well before any tour starts remember.

A bone could be broke in his foot somewhere in which they have to wait to see how (if) it heals ok or heals in time or he could have had an ingrown toenail that needed minor surgery or who knows .. it could be any one or two of myriad of things or nothing at all.

Again this is 110% speculation on my part but I am simply saying ... 'we don't know the situation'. He can walk we know that sure ... but that does not mean he is able to walk as much as usual or that he is able to exercise etc. etc.

Again not saying this is the case or that one of them are injured for sure etc. .. Simply saying it is not as simple as it can only be 'A' or 'B' and this is how long each takes to recover no matter who one is.

You know .. a persons age .. the type of injury .. to what degree that injury etc. etc. all comes into play Might not even be his foot or ankle and may be something else minor or nothing at all.

.. Jus sayin that you kno .. there are varying degrees of injuries and everyone is different (one never knows how long for certain). Isnt always only an A or B variable variable is my point .. Can be any number of things or situations or nothing at all.

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Rev 20 Redlights Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 1,504	Re: "We" got a new Stones Album Reply #227 - Mar 27^th, 2023 at 5:48am So yeah, its a rootsy title, and I can see Version One of the album reflecting their beginnings in the early 60s including some great cover songs But also its a title you can take just about anywhere, so that by the time we get to Version Five, the music could become quite au courant and challenging
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Re: "We" got a new Stones Album
Reply #228 - Mar 29^th, 2023 at 3:55am

Quote:

iorr.org's "2120Joe" reported the following from Ronnie's gig:

...in conversation with multiple people: The album is completed

revvy in response: "there could be some ongoing ovedubbing, editing or mixing. theyve got time."

Under iorr's "new album" topic, "Lien" today reports...

"With Lady Gaga ( studio LA )"

https://www.instagram.com/p/CqWMWt0MUqQ/

All I know for sure is that Gaga is filming Joker2 currently in LA,
and that the movie may include Gaga singing, and that Gaga has
used the same recording studio that the Stones use in LA, and
that yesterday was indeed Gaga's birthday

Y'know, if Dua Lipa's management did veto her track because it was inappropriate
in some way, well, Gaga i'm sure would have no problem re-recording Lipa's part.
I think Gaga's attitude would be "the more inappropriate the better."

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Rev 20 Redlights Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 1,504	Re: "We" got a new Stones Album Reply #230 - Mar 29^th, 2023 at 4:36pm Also, since the Stones have established a tradition of using important edgy actresses (Jolie, Rapace, K-Stew) in their important edgy videos, Gaga would be perfect...
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Re: "We" got a new Stones Album
Reply #231 - Mar 30^th, 2023 at 4:20am

FWIW, just now, iorr.orgs's MonicaDe:

"Mick is not limping. I can assure you guys, he is totally
fine as I saw him during the Arsenal match. Your so-called
'insiders' and gossips are useless."

(sadly no video, also her quote is grammar-corrected here for readability)

ADDENDUM: Monica may now have upped the ante. She
seems to have stated, as further evidence of Mick's good
health, that he's about to go off on a "safari" holiday.
Unfortunately, her grammar is poor, so its difficult to know
for sure exactly what she's trying to say, or when she's
being sarcastic. Anyway, if the safari happens (to Panama
again?), we'll know we have ourselves a new star over
there in BV-land. If not, all we have is more questionable
testimony

Un-edited:

"You don't go for Safari trip is you have some serious health problem."

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Re: "We" got a new Stones Album
Reply #232 - Mar 31^st, 2023 at 3:47pm

I know the reality of item 2 below hurts. But, yeah, they
really are moving on. Its what they do. Its who they are.

1) New lyric vid. I think seeing the lyrics like this makes it
clear just how dark this song is. A Stalker's Tale. A prequel
for midnight rambler.

2) The vid features 4 prominent photos of Stones. None
of whom are Charlie Watts.

3) People ask why on recent tour posters have they just
been "Stones". Now we know why. And so now thankfully
we are going to get the return of "The Rolling Stones"

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Reply #234 - Apr 1^st, 2023 at 4:38am

Keith stated 'they went at things with a different angle' in reference to the sessions / sessions in Jamaica last year. He mentioned this after saying he played bass during the sessions.

We do not know if they were simply writing songs / post production and trying to work material up or if they put stuff to tape (disc) in which they kept and plan to use.

Steve brings muscle and a more over the top / on top of the music drumming sound. My educated guess is they plan on using that in a brand new direction with another producer all together for whatever reason. This is some or a part of the reason they went with Andrew Watt I feel (new producer on the project).

Additionally they had lots of stuff done with Charlie with Don Was producing .. However ...

*During The Stones history or through their past when something goes foul or very wrong or they have had bad luck etc. etc. (in this case the thing that occurred was our dear Charlie could not go on and then passed on) they either switch places, people, or locations and sometimes drop the drop the entire situation when something had went very wrong in order to start fresh / a new. They change the scenery so to speak and start somewhere else or differently. This is the main reason and other part as to why I think they decided to go with Andrew Watt as the producer on the remaining material or additional material after Charlie passed. It may have been nothing personal to Don Was but was the remaining bands decision based purely on circumstance. I think Don Was was great with them .. but I suppose The Stones wanted to change it up for the remaining for perhaps the reason I mentioned (<< pure and only educated guessing on my behalf on all that).

In the end I think they have stuff with Charlie recorded with Don Was, and stuff recorded with Steve Jordan with producer Andrew Watt. From those aspects and like .. seven years of trial and error and working or re-working over the material etc. I am hoping for a great album.

Ian

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Re: "We" got a new Stones Album
Reply #235 - Apr 2^nd, 2023 at 6:54am

I've guessed that this recent Ronnie gig is giving us a sense of how
(at least one version of) the new album is going to feel. God I hope
so, we need it. Or at least I need it. Need their early 60s vibe badly...

And here's the tune that may be covered on the new album
(based on Ben's recent interview) although if that's the case,
here Ben and Ronnie were careful not to hint at any such thing...

Also, I noticed that Joe Perry and Ronnie were added the same day
to the Jeff Beck tribute line-up. Perhaps Joe shredding, Ronnie
bass, Mick vocals? Mick has worked with Joe before (on Goddess)

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Re: "We" got a new Stones Album
Reply #236 - Apr 4^th, 2023 at 6:10am

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Mar 26^th, 2023 at 7:03pm:

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Mar 19^th, 2023 at 8:27pm:

Even with all those versions, plus their Netflix special, U2's album
is projected to move only about 40 thousand units the first week
in the USA. Blue & Lonesome's first week USA 120K.

Selling music is no picnic these days.

Amazingly that low-ball projection for U2 was pretty close.
46K units #5 on the charts. Without Christmas, it won't move
much more. Major flop.

My God! Week 2 and its gone from the Top 200!
(and remember, the album got overwhelmingly positive reviews)

Hot Rocks is #193

U2 is so screwed. In fact I wouldnt be surprised if their Vegas
residency got cancelled because of this...

Anyway, this should serve as a lesson to those Stones fans who
are screaming "Just release the damn album already!"

No. Don't. Wait til Christmas and market it properly

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Re: "We" got a new Stones Album
Reply #237 - Apr 4^th, 2023 at 5:50pm

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Apr 4^th, 2023 at 6:10am:

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Mar 26^th, 2023 at 7:03pm:

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Mar 19^th, 2023 at 8:27pm:

Amazingly that low-ball projection for U2 was pretty close.
46K units #5 on the charts. Without Christmas, it won't move
much more. Major flop.

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Howdy Again. So you are correct in that the market is horrible BUT here is also my take as to why U2 are in a sad state .. especially with this album. It doesn't help that U2 .. whether one likes them or not cannot do anything different. Each release has been a little more lame than the previous.

This is not new material . it is acoustic 40 song rehash ..

Imagine The Stones doing 40 acoustic songs in 2002 for 40 Licks?? U2 are not even at the level of The Stones 20 years ago .. seriously.

The whole idea, title (which ... is a reference / addition to their last two albums Lol ..guys really talk about running out of ideas), etc. about Song of Surrender is stupid. Anyone who wants something from a growing or staying strong or much less a productive band knows that.

They should have released 12-15 songs in this vane as a small Christmas special or something if they felt the need to do this kind of thing and not try to promote it with a Netflix special (how corny) and .. It is not a new material album with fresh things.

Wow .. they are silly .. Did they expect casual people to go out and buy or download this? Even The strong U2 Fan has to think this third 'Songs of Blah-Blah-Blah' issue is a really bad idea and more to the point lame and so uninteresting (just my friendly option is all).

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Re: "We" got a new Stones Album
Reply #239 - Apr 7^th, 2023 at 11:15pm

USA Today, today, Steven Van Zandt:

We may not sell big record numbers, but many of us are still
making records of a high quality. I hear the new Rolling Stones
record is quite good. Maybe rock 'n' roll belongs as an underground
cult, and the 30 years of it being commercial was a fluke. But it's
a pretty big cult.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that this is the first public
confirmation by a known connected source that there is indeed
a new Rolling Stones record coming our way

Happy Easter!

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Reply #241 - Apr 8^th, 2023 at 3:34pm

MS-IORR's "georgelicks", a music industry exec, is the only
source over there that has retained his credibility during 2023.

He has now confirmed everything I've been telling you...

They are not going to release the album until the end of
September at least. The only way to generate semi-decent
sales is to wait until Thanksgiving/Christmas.

Releasing the album now (or during the summer) is a waste
that Universal is not going to do. We will see months of hype
and all kinds of tricks. So it will be a long 2023.

An example of what not to do is the release of the latest
album by U2. Universal/Rolling Stones will do everything
possible to avoid suffering the same fate.

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Reply #243 - Apr 10^th, 2023 at 10:20am

Why bother waiting to release until later in the year? It's either a good record or not. No amount of posturing is going to change that. Yes maybe a few more copies sold...but a good album will do that on its own. The mere fact it's them at 80 with a few Charlie /Macca cuts will get media attention regardless. Then let the music stand on its own as to appeal.They aren't chasing the little blonde girl for chart position...or stadium tickets.so...give the fans what we want. A freaking rocker we can be proud of and enjoy.

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Reply #245 - Apr 11^th, 2023 at 7:27am

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Re: "We" got a new Stones Album
Reply #246 - Apr 11^th, 2023 at 7:47am

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 3:34pm:

Releasing the album now (or during the summer) is a waste
that Universal is not going to do.

This statement, I understand, but not necessarily agree with.
Mainly because I do not know the marketing/release schedules part enough.

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 3:34pm:

An example of what not to do is the release of the latest
album by U2. Universal/Rolling Stones will do everything
possible to avoid suffering the same fate.

This, I am NOT familiar with.
I know the album, 40 previously released songs, remixed, redone, reinterpreted, etc.
Not sure what the "suffered fate" is/was. Can you explain?

The album was released in January, on the coattails of Bono's sold out solo/book tour.
I assumed it was a successful release, paving the way for Bono to hold a NYC residency starting this weekend at the Beacon.

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Re: "We" got a new Stones Album
Reply #247 - Apr 11^th, 2023 at 8:51pm

Paranoid Android wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 7:47am:

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 3:34pm:

Releasing the album now (or during the summer) is a waste
that Universal is not going to do.

This statement, I understand, but not necessarily agree with.
Mainly because I do not know the marketing/release schedules part enough.

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Apr 8^th, 2023 at 3:34pm:

An example of what not to do is the release of the latest
album by U2. Universal/Rolling Stones will do everything
possible to avoid suffering the same fate.

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I'm mostly agreeeing with you here Rev. I truly appreciate GeorgeLicks for all his info and insight to these types of situations especially since he works for Universal. Now we've went from 'no rush' .. It's not not a top priority from The Stones and Universal to supposedly they don't want to release it until possibly CHRISTMAS or later (??) even though it's now actuality finished? Ummmm >> Cut the Jive It's all Horse Poo whether its all true or only partially. Lol Wth?

With that said .. every year his lines have been: There is no rush on the album .. The Stones are relaxed about it ... ie No big deal. Now it's Universal does not want to release it blah-blah-blah. I am not implying his is fibbing .. I am simply saying if what he says has been true all along .. Send Universal AND The Stones a 50 pound bag of coffee so they can hopefully wake up and smell a pot >> People are tired of waiting and if they carry this passive approach / lack of any urgency or real importance on much further (year after year there is some other excuse from The Stones or Universal) .. it will hurt the release not help it. Journalists are already asking 'why so long?'.

The Stones have put themselves on the spot with their teasing of clips on social media and their mentioning of the album for >> seven years. Every year it's 'maybe next year' or this .. or that. Sure it will still sell ok either way BUT many people are very close to being turned off because of it (as they became with Chinese Democracy) and it becomes a bummer as opposed to actually any positivity surrounding it when it comes. If they release it ANY LATER than at some point in the fall of this year ..... the album wont really matter so much and it will not carry as much oomph / weight. It is a fine line .. The Stones .. even though They are who they are and still carry the longest wait time people will tolerate .. they will still hurt themselves. The positive wait time expires after this fall.

Tired of seeing 'its this reason' ..or 'OK .. now its that reason' ... and there is 'no rush' .. and now there is this other hang up or now there is another hang up at every turn or every three months why there is no album and no release date in sight for years on end now. Put a fork in it and put all that BS / Lame Excuses to rest.

*I mean get this ... They (some members) used to actually say over at IORR it is because The Stones need things such as ample 'Family Time' .. << Hahahahahah!!! Ummmm Okaaaay? I suppose recording an album required the members of The Rolling Stones and their limited resources for their staff being sent to a prison in Cuba or something? How on earth do other older acts do it so easily all along (perhaps they never get to see their families? )?

Its been 18 years, yo .. ..

Ian

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Reply #248 - Apr 11^th, 2023 at 11:21pm

Okay, in response, I'll summarize some of my guesses:

1) I've been saying for 12 years it would be a mistake for the
Stones to put out a new album of originals. No matter how great
it was, it would not sell, and it would hurt their ticket sales.
U2 has proven this point, with their recent critically praised
albums that have done nothing but drastically reduce the market
for their products and services.

2) And so now in 2023 it will STILL be a big mistake for the Stones
to put out a new album of originals. UNLESS they do something VERY
different. Not just put out different colors of vinyl (again, U2)

3) Blue & Lonesome qualifies as something VERY different. Shocked
me for sure. When I heard the rumors of it, I was disbelieving.
But the proof is in the pudding. The Stones successfully re-defined
themselves as a band that, on record, plays great roots music.
If it had been an album of originals, they would have been
pilloried for cultural appropriation. Instead, despite mixed
reviews, B&L has sold about 2 million copies, which is a hell
of a lot for its time (compare Beggars Banquet total 1.2 million,
or U2 Songs of Surrender unlikely to reach even 0.3 million)

4) Fully Finished Studio Outtakes also qualifies as something
VERY different. Some of the greatest music that the Stones have
ever made, and they had no choice but to give it away, so deaf
has the world become. Let's be conservative and reduce FFSO to
merely two conventional albums. Each of which would have been
blazingly brilliant, but undoubtedly failures commercially.

5) So, from my perspective, fans have received three
outstanding albums from the Stones in recent years.
But most fans (and the rest of the citizenry) sure don't
hear it that way. So fuck em. Why in hell would the Stones
want to put out more great stuff if its just gonna be dismissed
or attacked? Fuck it. Wait til the Stones are dead and gone.
Then put it out. Show em what they missed.

6) UNLESS the Stones have come up with a VERY different
marketing strategy. Which I've guessed at earlier in this
thread: Lots of promotion, especially featuring Darryl and
Steve. Lots of cover songs. Some newsworthy/controversial
lyrics. A video starring Lady Gaga. A total of 50 new tracks.
Five very different album versions under the same title,
releasing one a week. And of course, there's YOU, dear reader,
buying multiple copies of each.

(P.S. Almost forgot: Absolutely no connection between
any new tour and this new album. At this point, a fairly
sharp line must be maintained between their touring career
and their recording career. Some overlap is OK, but
essentially they are a hits band when they tour, and
an alt-roots band when they record)

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Reply #249 - Apr 12^th, 2023 at 6:04am

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Apr 11^th, 2023 at 11:21pm:

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Okay, in response, I'll summarize some of my guesses:

Nice insight. I will reply more when I have time to absorb it fully and think a little more about your thoughts above on said album.

However for now and so I do not mislead for the time being.. Yepp Blue & Lonesome was different from their standard release and it was from left field... it was something we (casual and hard cores) sort have wanted but dismissed it ever happening many years.. prolly decades back. The only other thing they did off the beaten path like this was Stripped .. and I like Stripped and all but I personally like B&L much better than Stripped. It will age much better too because it is timeless (yet it was unique in the production etc .. all while being old school).

It was / is in a word ... 'special' .. and unmatched for at least what it is. I LOVE it. Was magic captured in a bottle and was not planned. Dark, gritty, authentic .. rock based blues not dreary boring blues .. old-school yet sort of 'Livish' in sound. Really unique.

If it was the last thing they ever did by unexpectedly coming full circle with how they initially started out and all I would be ok with that.. especially because it was so 'special' in how it comes across audio wise. I am a HUGE fan of it and it was even much better than I anticipated after hearing what it was about in the spring of 2016. I was even kinda shocked at its I dunno .. for lack of a better word koolnesss .. as well as its quality. Only the Stones could pull it off that good for what it is .. and they sure did!

However with that said .. that came in the middle of a session recording new original stuff. Then they kept saying that original stuff is still coming .. year after year after year .. tease after tease.

This album HAS to be really good .. different than the standard .. 'Hey its been a while .. time for a new Stones album .. and I hear its a pretty darn good record' .. This album has to be different and above all that .. and they know it. << Hey at least they know it and know what they are up against ha.

Ian

Well .. Here is to hoping it is as good as it needs to be.

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