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Re: "We" got a new Stones Album
Reply #350 - Jun 1^st, 2023 at 6:51pm

This gets me excited. Nov 17- Egons Birthday! Lead single? That means more singles! Is this true Rev? I didn't see it at a glance over there. georgelicks should post here.

industry insider "georgelicks" pegs the album release for Nov 17,
with the lead single Sep 29

industry outsider "revvy" pegs the announcement, lead single,
and Version 5 of the album to surprise drop together on Sep 15,
with Versions 4, 3, 2, and 1 as well as more singles and the box
set in subsequent weeks.

"georgelicks" says his info is based on industry rumors

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Re: "We" got a new Stones Album
Reply #352 - Jun 4^th, 2023 at 2:16am

Industry Watch: Taylor Swift, Adult Diapers and Purple Marble Variants

(continuing our coverage of today's very sane music environment,
into which our 80 year-old heroes will soon be making their next foray)

Billboard:

Taylor Swift, "Midnights" (Republic): Remember this one? It’s not as though
Taylor Swift’s massive "Midnights" has ever fallen far from the top spot
after its seismic 1.57 million-unit-moving debut week last October...
But next week, it may have its best chance yet at getting back to #1.

That’s for several reasons, including new physical and digital re-issues
of "Midnights". For vinyl enthusiasts, she debuted the new purple marble
variant. Fans more comfortable with MP3s can get the Til Dawn edition,
which includes three bonus tracks. If that isn’t enough, there’s also
The Late Night Edition, which includes new takes on “Snow” and “Karma”
and another bonus cut, “You’re Losing Me”, not available anywhere else.

Daily Mail:

They're Ready For It! Taylor Swift fans confess they are wearing
ADULT DIAPERS to her Eras Tour concerts so they don't have to miss
a single song by going to the bathroom

In furtherance of better understanding, we asked socio-cultural experts
George Jones and Jamey Johnson for their insights into the, uh, implications
of, uh, you know, of, uh, jesus, what the bloody hell is going on ???

UPDATE: Yeah, she did it, she crushed the competition, selling twice
as much this week as her nearest competitor. And it was the second
biggest week for any artist this year, and she did it with an album
that's six months old. She will extend her tour now to Latin America,
and then probably Europe. Forbes says that so far this year her net
worth has gone from $500 to $750 million and that she poses a
genuine threat by the end of next year to exceed the $1.5 billion
net worth of current women's champ, cosmetics tycoon Rihanna.

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Re: "We" got a new Stones Album
Reply #354 - Jun 5^th, 2023 at 7:41am

Some Guy wrote on Jun 1^st, 2023 at 6:51pm:

This gets me excited. Nov 17- Egons Birthday! Lead single? That means more singles! Is this true Rev? I didn't see it at a glance over there. georgelicks should post here.

industry insider "georgelicks" pegs the album release for Nov 17,
with the lead single Sep 29

industry outsider "revvy" pegs the announcement, lead single,
and Version 5 of the album to surprise drop together on Sep 15,
with Versions 4, 3, 2, and 1 as well as more singles and the box
set in subsequent weeks.

"georgelicks" says his info is based on industry rumors

Lt's make this shit happen my BD brother

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Re: "We" got a new Stones Album
Reply #355 - Jun 5^th, 2023 at 8:23am

Some Guy wrote on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 7:26am:

I want to hear a new Stones song by sun down today!

The sun is sinking in the west
The cattle go down to the stream
The redwing settles in the nest
It's time for a cowboy to dream
Purple light in the canyons
That's where I long to be
With their long lost lead single
Just my rifle, the Stones, and me

(The slightly good news is that 5 of the top 10 albums this week are
country (the other 5 are Swift and rap). So yeah, the Stones will be
covering some country songs for sure, and probably even doing one
of their promo gigs at the Opry.)

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Re: "We" got a new Stones Album
Reply #356 - Jun 5^th, 2023 at 9:17am

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Jun 4^th, 2023 at 2:16am:

Industry Watch: Taylor Swift, Adult Diapers and Purple Marble Variants

(continuing our coverage of today's very sane music environment,
into which our 80 year-old heroes will soon be making their next foray)

Billboard:

Taylor Swift, "Midnights" (Republic): Remember this one? It’s not as though
Taylor Swift’s massive "Midnights" has ever fallen far from the top spot
after its seismic 1.57 million-unit-moving debut week last October...
But next week, it may have its best chance yet at getting back to #1.

That’s for several reasons, including new physical and digital re-issues
of "Midnights". For vinyl enthusiasts, she debuted the new purple marble
variant. Fans more comfortable with MP3s can get the Til Dawn edition,
which includes three bonus tracks. If that isn’t enough, there’s also
The Late Night Edition, which includes new takes on “Snow” and “Karma”
and another bonus cut, “You’re Losing Me”, not available anywhere else.

Daily Mail:

They're Ready For It! Taylor Swift fans confess they are wearing
ADULT DIAPERS to her Eras Tour concerts so they don't have to miss
a single song by going to the bathroom

In furtherance of better understanding, we asked socio-cultural experts
George Jones and Jamey Johnson for their insights into the, uh, implications
of, uh, you know, of, uh, jesus, what the bloody hell is going on ???

UPDATE: Yeah, she did it, she crushed the competition, selling twice
as much this week as her nearest competitor. And it was the second
biggest week for any artist this year, and she did it with an album
that's six months old. She will extend her tour now to Latin America,
and then probably Europe. Forbes says that so far this year her net
worth has gone from $500 to $750 million and that she poses a
genuine threat by the end of next year to exceed the $1.5 billion
net worth of current women's champ, cosmetics tycoon Rihanna.

As much as i want to make fun of this, i could really use such a diaper in order not the miss the 3rd song the stones play...

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Re: "We" got a new Stones Album
Reply #358 - Jun 5^th, 2023 at 11:06pm

A Bigger Lebowski wrote on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 8:16pm:

I won't knock it, because
frankly if the Stones could get Taylor to put guest vocals on their new
album, they would be foolish not to. Like it or not, no 'mega album' is going
to move anywhere near as many copies as a Swift duet would.

If the goal of the new Stones album was to sell as many copies as
possible, then yeah, of course you allow Swift to appear. But the
goals are 1) to make a strong musical/cultural statement, and
2) to not sell an embarrassingly small amount of records, like the
new ones from U2, Metallica, and Foo Fighters...

Unfortunately sweet little Taylor Swift has devolved into an evil
cult leader. Her 44-song shows are essentially music-free. There
is just bare-bones live and pre-recorded accompaniment to her
Tony Robbins-like promises of glory if you only give her more
money. And hate on straight white men...

The new Stones album will be all about asserting the various
life-affirming musical traditions that evolved out of slavery days.
There will be no place on it for a nasty-ass witch like Taylor Swift

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Re: "We" got a new Stones Album
Reply #359 - Jun 6^th, 2023 at 8:01am

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 11:06pm:

A Bigger Lebowski wrote on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 8:16pm:

I won't knock it, because
frankly if the Stones could get Taylor to put guest vocals on their new
album, they would be foolish not to. Like it or not, no 'mega album' is going
to move anywhere near as many copies as a Swift duet would.

If the goal of the new Stones album was to sell as many copies as
possible, then yeah, of course you allow Swift to appear. But the
goals are 1) to make a strong musical/cultural statement, and
2) to not sell an embarrassingly small amount of records, like the
new ones from U2, Metallica, and Foo Fighters...

Unfortunately sweet little Taylor Swift has devolved into an evil
cult leader. Her 44-song shows are essentially music-free. There
is just bare-bones live and pre-recorded accompaniment to her
Tony Robbins-like promises of glory if you only give her more
money. And hate on straight white men...

The new Stones album will be all about asserting the various
life-affirming musical traditions that evolved out of slavery days.
There will be no place on it for a nasty-ass witch like Taylor Swift

Jury is still out on Foo Fighters. That only came out Friday, and has received generally strong reviews. I personally listened and it wasn't my favorite, but I'm wondering if you've formed any of your opinion based on actually hearing the album yourself. I have a feeling it will do pretty well comparatively. The band itself has vastly exceeded all expectations of what anyone could've thought when they first started, so even if its a flop all you can really say is they've had quite a run.

Metallica is an odd one. The have a devoted fan base and no problem selling tickets, but people are still hesitant about picking up a new disc after their pitiful string of albums from the mid 90's through early 00s. This is only the 3rd since they've somewhat righted the ship (you have to squint past 'Lulu'). My friends who are big fans all really like this one. I don't follow album sales much but I would expect theirs are about par for the course for an older band in the streaming era.

The new U2 just flat out sucks and it sounds like they've given up - they even put Surrender in the title. It's all acoustic rehashes that no one asked for, but arrived about 2 years to late to pass as a "lockdown album". Even for fans who've collected all their other albums up til now, this is entirely inessential. Really just a dumb move on their part after going almost a decade without new music, and if the album is failing it's because it deserved to.

As for Taylor, I'm just going to bypass all the projections you're making, but I have little doubt Jagger has tried to bring her into the studio and only after she said no settled on Dua Lipa. Not sure how much integrity really has to do with it, but we'll see...

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Re: "We" got a new Stones Album
Reply #361 - Jun 7^th, 2023 at 9:04pm

According to me, definitely no Taylor Swift or Dua Lipa on the album.

Confirmed in Feb by a "Stones representative", Paul McCartney.

According to me, also Lady Gaga, Dolly Parton, and Bill Wyman.

Undoubtedly a number of others, some reggae guys, some from old-
school R&B/soul, but its not a Duets album

According to Billboard, the likely next #1 album (definitely not Foo
Fighters), and quite representative of the madness that grips our world...

Stray Kids have proven themselves among pop’s most consistent performers
on the Billboard 200 in the past couple years, having topped the chart
twice already in 2022 alone, with EPs. This week, they should have a pretty
good shot at making it three in a row with their new 12-track LP "5-Star".

Once again, physical sales should drive consumption of the new set. That
includes 18 total collectible CD packages (with exclusives for Barnes &
Noble, Target, Walmart, the Weverse store and a signed edition in the
group’s official webstore) that contain artist-branded merch, some of
which is standard across all packages and some of which is randomized
(photo cards, mini posters, sticker sets, photo books).

There are also four alternative digital versions of the album, sold only
in the act’s webstore, each containing the same tracklists, but with
alternative covers and bonus tracks (each with different voice memos
from individual members of the group).

I don't think the Stones can do the Taylor Swift/Stray Kids strategy of
a standard LP in two dozen cosmetically different versions. They'd be
mocked. I think their only hope is to do versions that each have seriously
different musical content. And to do that they'll need to do cover songs.

That's my thesis anyway. It makes no difference to me if I'm wrong.
In fact, the great thing about this thesis is that its put me back in close
touch with all the great music the Stones have been inspired by...

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Re: "We" got a new Stones Album
Reply #362 - Jun 7^th, 2023 at 11:20pm

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 9:04pm:

According to me, definitely no Taylor Swift or Dua Lipa on the album.

Confirmed in Feb by a "Stones representative", Paul McCartney.

According to me, also Lady Gaga, Dolly Parton, and Bill Wyman.

Undoubtedly a number of others, some reggae guys, some from old-
school R&B/soul, but its not a Duets album

According to Billboard, the likely next #1 album (definitely not Foo
Fighters), and quite representative of the madness that grips our world...

Stray Kids have proven themselves among pop’s most consistent performers
on the Billboard 200 in the past couple years, having topped the chart
twice already in 2022 alone, with EPs. This week, they should have a pretty
good shot at making it three in a row with their new 12-track LP "5-Star".

Once again, physical sales should drive consumption of the new set. That
includes 18 total collectible CD packages (with exclusives for Barnes &
Noble, Target, Walmart, the Weverse store and a signed edition in the
group’s official webstore) that contain artist-branded merch, some of
which is standard across all packages and some of which is randomized
(photo cards, mini posters, sticker sets, photo books).

There are also four alternative digital versions of the album, sold only
in the act’s webstore, each containing the same tracklists, but with
alternative covers and bonus tracks (each with different voice memos
from individual members of the group).

I don't think the Stones can do the Taylor Swift/Stray Kids strategy of
a standard LP in two dozen cosmetically different versions. They'd be
mocked. I think their only hope is to do versions that each have seriously
different musical content. And to do that they'll need to do cover songs.

That's my thesis anyway. It makes no difference to me if I'm wrong.
In fact, the great thing about this thesis is that its put me back in close
touch with all the great music the Stones have been inspired by...

Definitely put me down as a "no" for a duets album. Max 2 duets with guests, probably both female: Keith with Norah Jones, and Mick probably with more of a "pop" star vibe. Please not Gaga. Dua Lipa fine for a solo release, but not Stones. Adele would be too good to be true. Mavis, yes please. Dolly, thanks but no thanks. I don't think you have to worry about Taylor appearing on the album, but make no mistake that in 2023 the ball is in her court, not theirs.

I'm not with you on the excessive number of different versions. That much double-dipping will only come off as greedy and no one in their right mind is spending $400 to collect every one. There will be a Deluxe edition like your average major album release, but 4 songs max. Spotify will get a bonus, maybe Apple too. Physical retailers are barely important enough anymore to all get exclusive content. Hardly anyone buys CDs, let along from Barnes & Noble just for a couple bonus tracks. Multiple colored vinyls for sure, but the only retailer getting a pressed version with extra songs will be Target. Adding together all physical/digital versions gets you to maybe 20 tracks.

My counter-thesis (or pipe dream, like yours) is that they are spending enough time in the studio for multiple releases that they can roll out over a few years. Entirely different albums/titles with zero overlap. Think Miles' Workin/Relaxin/Cookin/Steamin which were all recorded in 1956 but staggered a year apart from each other. If you need a contemporary example go with Green Day's Uno/Dos/Tre (I'm avoiding that one since it's widely considered their low point). For something like that your cover song idea would work and would be a nice full circle from their early albums.

But if we're only getting "an album" under a single banner, covers are out of the question regardless of how many they use for inspiration and studio warm-ups. Blue & Lonesome was a retreat no matter how they were able to spin it, and Jagger won't be admitting defeat a second time in a row. If they were going for loose and organic, it would've been done in 3 days like B&L was. They can call it a labor of love, I read that as they are struggling, but in the end this will be the first all-original album by the Rolling Stones in almost (*we hope) 20 years and that's how it will be marketed.

Recent history has taught us that the Stones can't/won't tour and make measurable recording progress in the same calendar year anymore. These sessions are likely the last for our boys, and so if they want to take the rest of the year to record, be my guest. I don't doubt that they have enough in the could to put something out by the end of the year, but if the juices are finally flowing and they don't have a tour to rehearse for, why stop now? If I'm wrong about that, I'll believe the album is "done" when we start getting teasers of something that sounds like it's been mixed/mastered. Until then all you can do is be patient..

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Re: "We" got a new Stones Album
Reply #364 - Jun 8^th, 2023 at 7:27pm

Billboard breaking news:

Taylor Swift to Release Another
Special Version of Midnights

The unstoppable force that is Taylor Swift will be
releasing another special edition of her smash
album Midnights next week. Not only will it contain
every bonus track and re-mix released so far, it
will also feature 10 new remixes with at least
five new guest appearances.

Entitled "The Misty Knickers Edition", the album
will be available both in a 2-CD version at most
retail outlets and in a 4-disk pale yellow vinyl
version only at Walgreens. Sure to attract attention
is the outer and inner artwork which is apparently
an homage to the iconic cover art of... (can you guess?)

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Re: "We" got a new Stones Album
Reply #365 - Jun 8^th, 2023 at 9:32pm

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Jun 8^th, 2023 at 7:27pm:

Billboard breaking news:

Taylor Swift to Release Another
Special Version of Midnights

The unstoppable force that is Taylor Swift will be
releasing another special edition of her smash
album Midnights next week. Not only will it contain
every bonus track and re-mix released so far, it
will also feature 10 new remixes with at least
five new guest appearances.

Entitled "The Misty Knickers Edition", the album
will be available both in a 2-CD version at most
retail outlets and in a 4-disk pale yellow vinyl
version only at Walgreens. Sure to attract attention
is the outer and inner artwork which is apparently
an homage to the iconic cover art of... (can you guess?)

She did in fact release another version of Midnights last week, so your post is barely discernible as parody. Good job I guess?

I just don't see any difference between TS milking her fans for extra content and the release strategy you're proposing for the Stones. Yet the vitriol is all directed one way, I wonder why Roll Eyes

For the record, the Stones have already been at a 1:1 ratio of studio release to hits compilation for quite some time already. Kinda tough to say they've taken the high road when it comes to fan gouging.

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Re: "We" got a new Stones Album
Reply #366 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 3:01am

A Bigger Lebowski wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 8:01am:

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 11:06pm:

The goal of the new Stones album... to not sell an embarrassingly
small amount of records, like the new ones from U2, Metallica,
and Foo Fighters...

Jury is still out on Foo Fighters. That only came out Friday, and has
received generally strong reviews. I'm wondering if you've formed
any of your opinion based on actually hearing the album yourself.
I have a feeling it will do pretty well comparatively.

My projection that the Foo album would do poorly had NOTHING to do
with my opinion of the music (which I have listened to, and think
is shit). My projection was based solely on market conditions. The same
as with U2 and Metallica, despite excellent reviews, I predicted flops.

Can I go 3 for 3? Let's see. How are the reviews? Outstanding!

METACRITIC - 86
Kerrang - 5/5
Spin - "...one of the strongest albums of the band’s career."
Consequence of Sound - "It’s the best Foo Fighters album since the turn of
the millennium."
NME - ★★★★★
New York Times - ★★★★☆
Ticketmaster - "The Foos start to heal on an emotional gut punch of a
record that bleeds heart and soul"
Wall Street Journal - "Mr. Grohl’s instincts about how music can help us
process and transcend even our darkest moments are absolutely correct."
Independent - ★★★★☆
The Guardian - ★★★★☆
Gigwise - ★★★★★★★★★☆
Stereogum - "Foo Fighters’ most vital, least obligatory-sounding record
in years"
Blabbermouth - 9/10
Louder Sound - ★★★★☆
AllMusic - ★★★★ ½
Rock Sound - "...emotional and powerful..."
Clash Music - 9/10
Visions - 10/12
Soundz - "The most haunting record of 2023 to date."
Rock Cellar - "...they've bounced back with one of the most powerful
collection of songs in the outfit's lengthy catalog."
A Journal of Musical Things - "Foo Fighters' best record in a decade
as the band stares death in the face and refuses to bend."
Why Now - ★★★★☆
The Pitch - "Foo Fighters return to form with gut punching, emotional
juggernaut But Here We Are."
Ethereal Metal Zine - 4.9/5.0
Goldmine - ★★★★★
Ultimate Classic Rock - "...a record that channels grief into some of the
biggest sounding songs Foo Fighters have ever made."

Now let's look at the sales...

Yes, the Foos will actually undersell that stinker from U2...

I know I'm supposed to show compassion but, Lebowski, you really
ought to change your name to "Donny". (Compassion, revvy,
compassion!). OK, I suppose maybe the following fact is
really hard to understand:

If YOU were to LOVE the new Stones 12 original track LP, and every single
online forum person was to LOVE it, and every single professional reviewer
LOVED it, and Swift was featured on one of the tracks, and the Stones even
named a tour after the album, it would STILL totally flop commercially...

Mick understood this, as usual, long before me. 15 years ago in fact.
Hence the current situation, and my projections of a very different
musical and marketing approach by the Stones this year...

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Re: "We" got a new Stones Album
Reply #367 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:21am

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 3:01am:

A Bigger Lebowski wrote on Jun 6^th, 2023 at 8:01am:

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Jun 5^th, 2023 at 11:06pm:

The goal of the new Stones album... to not sell an embarrassingly
small amount of records, like the new ones from U2, Metallica,
and Foo Fighters...

Jury is still out on Foo Fighters. That only came out Friday, and has
received generally strong reviews. I'm wondering if you've formed
any of your opinion based on actually hearing the album yourself.
I have a feeling it will do pretty well comparatively.

My projection that the Foo album would do poorly had NOTHING to do
with my opinion of the music (which I have listened to, and think
is shit). My projection was based solely on market conditions. The same
as with U2 and Metallica, despite excellent reviews, I predicted flops.

Can I go 3 for 3? Let's see. How are the reviews? Outstanding!

METACRITIC - 86
Kerrang - 5/5
Spin - "...one of the strongest albums of the band’s career."
Consequence of Sound - "It’s the best Foo Fighters album since the turn of
the millennium."
NME - ★★★★★
New York Times - ★★★★☆
Ticketmaster - "The Foos start to heal on an emotional gut punch of a
record that bleeds heart and soul"
Wall Street Journal - "Mr. Grohl’s instincts about how music can help us
process and transcend even our darkest moments are absolutely correct."
Independent - ★★★★☆
The Guardian - ★★★★☆
Gigwise - ★★★★★★★★★☆
Stereogum - "Foo Fighters’ most vital, least obligatory-sounding record
in years"
Blabbermouth - 9/10
Louder Sound - ★★★★☆
AllMusic - ★★★★ ½
Rock Sound - "...emotional and powerful..."
Clash Music - 9/10
Visions - 10/12
Soundz - "The most haunting record of 2023 to date."
Rock Cellar - "...they've bounced back with one of the most powerful
collection of songs in the outfit's lengthy catalog."
A Journal of Musical Things - "Foo Fighters' best record in a decade
as the band stares death in the face and refuses to bend."
Why Now - ★★★★☆
The Pitch - "Foo Fighters return to form with gut punching, emotional
juggernaut But Here We Are."
Ethereal Metal Zine - 4.9/5.0
Goldmine - ★★★★★
Ultimate Classic Rock - "...a record that channels grief into some of the
biggest sounding songs Foo Fighters have ever made."

Now let's look at the sales...

Yes, the Foos will actually undersell that stinker from U2...

I know I'm supposed to show compassion but, Lebowski, you really
ought to change your name to "Donny". (Compassion, revvy,
compassion!). OK, I suppose maybe the following fact is
really hard to understand:

If YOU were to LOVE the new Stones 12 original track LP, and every single
online forum person was to LOVE it, and every single professional reviewer
LOVED it, and Swift was featured on one of the tracks, and the Stones even
named a tour after the album, it would STILL totally flop commercially...

Mick understood this, as usual, long before me. 15 years ago in fact.
Hence the current situation, and my projections of a very different
musical and marketing approach by the Stones this year...

And you're aware that the current music market is based around streams, not sales right? No one moves albums like they used to , with only VERY few exceptions (Swift, K-Pop, Harry Styles, etc). Spotify bro, do you really need me to explain it?

Blah blah "only" 60k albums in the first week. Scoff at those numbers all you want, but if you could do that yourself (and get 22 million monthly streams), you'd probably quit your day job too.

Yes we all know the industry is in the shitter and rock is dead etc. You don't have to be Nostradamus to see that it will only continue to decline. And it sucks, absolutely, but from where you're sitting I really don't get why you're being so touchy about it.

And by the way, that's not a "fact." That's just like, your projection man... But seriously I'll take that bet that if Swift had a guest feature on a track it would boost sales immensely. It's happened with other artists surely, and she does have a 4 year old album in that Top 10 chart you just showed me after all. I'm sure Mick would love to sit down with her sometime and get some business pointers.

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Re: "We" got a new Stones Album
Reply #369 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:36pm

1) Revvy, over the past month:

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 9:04pm:

According to me, definitely no Taylor Swift or Dua Lipa on the album.

Confirmed in Feb by a "Stones representative", Paul McCartney.

According to me, also Lady Gaga, Dolly Parton, and Bill Wyman.

The Sun UK today:

The Rolling Stones team up with music legend Bill Wyman
for the first time in 30 years on new album

Yes, I know the Sun got some of their facts wrong, for instance the
Sun says that Bill recorded his bits in LA. Not true. It was London.

2) The sales numbers I reported yesterday were slightly wrong.
The Foofies are not #7 with 60K, they are #8 with 58K. And
Donny is absolutely correct, for once, when he states that I,
Rev 20 Redlights, could not possibly myself move 60K units.
A really strong observation on his part.

3) There are many misconceptions these days about the role of
streaming in the official sales numbers. Its a complicated conspiracy-
laden discussion that I'll leave for another day...

For now, just consider this: Out of the 247K moved by K-poppers #1
Stray Kids 94% was album sales, not streaming. For the Foos, only 86%.
So once again Donny points the way with the back of his head. This
week the Foos benefited more from streaming than the K-pop boy band!

4) Taylor Swift features on other performer's tracks have been of
only marginal assistance. For example, the two vids of her with the
Stones have garnered a total of only 10m views in 10 years. For
her own vids, she gets way over that the first day, sometimes the
first hour. Her cult is only interested in words that she herself writes.
They have zero interest in music. What they want from Swift, and
what they get, in spades, is non-stop narcissistic masturbation

OK, enough of that, let's get back to gently rocking the blues with
the Commodores...

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Re: "We" got a new Stones Album
Reply #370 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 7:43pm

Bill may or may not be on the next Stones album, but I dont believe for a second that a man that hasnt flown for over 30 years hopped on a 15 hour flight to LA to overdub a bass part when he could have done the same thing at home or a short drive away in London.

So many rumoured guests on this record thats if true its going to be an absolute bunfight with no room left for the Stones at this rate. More Last Waltz than Last Album. Like you, I dont believe half of them. Its getting sillier by the week.

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Reply #371 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 8:21pm

Gazza wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 7:43pm:

Bill may or may not be on the next Stones album, but I dont believe for a second that a man that hasnt flown for over 30 years hopped on a 15 hour flight to LA to overdub a bass part when he could have done the same thing at home or a short drive away in London.

So many rumoured guests on this record thats if true its going to be an absolute bunfight with no room left for the Stones at this rate. More Last Waltz than Last Album. Like you, I dont believe half of them. Its getting sillier by the week.

Here an article

The Rolling Stones 'welcome Bill Wyman back to the band for first time in 30 years as bass player contributes to band's upcoming album as tribute to late drummer Charlie Watts'

By OWEN TONKS FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 16:27 EDT, 9 June 2023 | UPDATED: 16:42 EDT, 9 June 2023

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12179247/The-Rolling-Stones-welcom...

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Re: "We" got a new Stones Album
Reply #372 - Jun 9^th, 2023 at 10:22pm

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Jun 9^th, 2023 at 6:36pm:

1) Revvy, over the past month:

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Jun 7^th, 2023 at 9:04pm:

According to me, definitely no Taylor Swift or Dua Lipa on the album.

Confirmed in Feb by a "Stones representative", Paul McCartney.

According to me, also Lady Gaga, Dolly Parton, and Bill Wyman.

The Sun UK today:

The Rolling Stones team up with music legend Bill Wyman
for the first time in 30 years on new album

Yes, I know the Sun got some of their facts wrong, for instance the
Sun says that Bill recorded his bits in LA. Not true. It was London.

2) The sales numbers I reported yesterday were slightly wrong.
The Foofies are not #7 with 60K, they are #8 with 58K. And
Donny is absolutely correct, for once, when he states that I,
Rev 20 Redlights, could not possibly myself move 60K units.
A really strong observation on his part.

3) There are many misconceptions these days about the role of
streaming in the official sales numbers. Its a complicated conspiracy-
laden discussion that I'll leave for another day...

For now, just consider this: Out of the 247K moved by K-poppers #1
Stray Kids 94% was album sales, not streaming. For the Foos, only 86%.
So once again Donny points the way with the back of his head. This
week the Foos benefited more from streaming than the K-pop boy band!

4) Taylor Swift features on other performer's tracks have been of
only marginal assistance. For example, the two vids of her with the
Stones have garnered a total of only 10m views in 10 years. For
her own vids, she gets way over that the first day, sometimes the
first hour. Her cult is only interested in words that she herself writes.
They have zero interest in music. What they want from Swift, and
what they get, in spades, is non-stop narcissistic masturbation

OK, enough of that, let's get back to gently rocking the blues with
the Commodores...

Pumpkin, I'm not saying you don't have an uncanny ability at predicting musical sales trends. You did it again. Bravo.

The part that's getting tiresome is how much glee you seem to get out being the first to "report" that [insert artist]'s album would fall flat either commercially or creatively. You've continually referenced three bands who collectively have sold over 300 million albums worldwide, but let me take time out to give you credit for pointing out that their latest would pale in comparison. So here you go- here's your crown King Nothing. (*just making sure that Metallica reference doesn't fly under the radar)

To be clear, Foo Fighters were always far from my favorite band, but they've been successful and I think Grohl in particular puts a lot of effort into what he does. I didn't like the newest record, but so what? It's kinda public knowledge that the band has been going through some shit, so I'll give em a mulligan and don't need to dwell on it. FFS No one even was even sure until about 3 months ago if they were even going to continue, so going out of your way to make a callback that you were the first to announce the record would fail truly just comes off as petty.

I'm not in the prediction game, but the Wyman news (if true), not a huge surprise. I'll even go you one better and say I think Mick Taylor will also make an appearance. Seems only natural as this is the first true album since the 50 and Counting shows (had the sessions that would become B&L lasted more than 3 days it probably would've happened then). The idea was probably floated around a decade ago (!) and they're just now 'getting around to' acting on it. No way that either of them were ever actually in the same studio as the band though (I'm still waiting for proof that Mick and Keith have gotten together in person). But it sure was nice of Daryl to give Bill the ok to borrow his spot, being a newly minted band member and and all, eh Great Predictor?

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Reply #374 - Jun 10^th, 2023 at 5:42pm

Thanks to Cristiano Radke for this link :

Bill was recording with the Stones - at Metropolis Studios in London - at the start of the year - according to this eye witness account by Neil Cowley, published on February 9th

https://www.musicradar.com/news/neil-cowley-interview?fbclid=IwAR1H7_7JxLPpLqeaX...

Do you tend to bump into a lot of other artists?

“Last week The Rolling Stones were in with Elton John and Bill Wyman was even back in the fold. The Foo Fighters turned the whole place into a rehearsal space for their Wembley Stadium gig, so Queen, Black Sabbath, Paul McCartney and Stewart Copeland were all in. Although there are parts of the industry I like to keep at arm’s length, it’s still nice to see them in the cafeteria.”

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