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Freya Gin wrote on Mar 5th, 2018 at 6:48pm:
I remember the Cold War all too well.


You know the "cold" war began just after WWII, don't ya?




Freya Gin wrote on Mar 5th, 2018 at 6:48pm:
Trump is clearly Putin's puppet, which means Putin effectively rules the US.


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“What rap did that was impressive was to show there are so many tone-deaf people out there,” he says. “All they need is a drum beat and somebody yelling over it and they’re happy. There’s an enormous market for people who can’t tell one note from another.” - Keef
 
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Freya Gin wrote on Mar 5th, 2018 at 6:48pm:
I remember the Cold War all too well.


You know the "cold" war began just after WWII, don't ya?




Freya Gin wrote on Mar 5th, 2018 at 6:48pm:
Trump is clearly Putin's puppet, which means Putin effectively rules the US.


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http://www.omaha.com/opinion/james-stavridis-why-china-s-emperor-xi-should-worry...





" James Stavridis: Why China's 'Emperor Xi' should worry the U.S.   "






" The last emperor of China, Pu Yi, abdicated in 1912. He was the 12th emperor of the historically important Qing dynasty, which lasted 267 years. With his departure, two millennia of empire, usually with a single individual dominating all of China, ended.


Since then, the nation has moved toward an authoritarian system under Communist Party control, but it has frequently changed leaders since the death in 1976 of Mao Zedong. Over recent decades, the party has observed a limit of two five-year terms — a system that has provided reasonable stability while also allowing some level of change. That era seems to be ending.


In an increasingly predicted maneuver, the Chinese Central Committee is likely to formally abolish the term limit on presidential power, creating the conditions for the incumbent, Xi Jinping, to remain in office indefinitely. Xi, 64, will also be bringing in his long-term associate Wang Qishan as vice president, further hampering younger officials from developing centers of political power.



This has been foreshadowed for at least two years in a series of “power moves” by Xi, ranging from the harsh anti-corruption campaign (headed by the 69-year-old Wang) that eliminated many rivals, to his appearing in military garb at official events, emphasizing his control of the People's Liberation Army.


While Xi had already established himself as the most powerful Chinese leader since Deng Xiaoping, this latest maneuver is still a radical change, presenting both opportunities and challenges for his nation.


In terms of opportunity, Xi has demonstrated that he is a competent, serious, balanced leader who has improved the economy, enhanced China's global reach, strengthened its already significant military capability and reduced corruption — a significant set of achievements in the public's eyes. With his potential to rule China for another decade or longer, China will experience a steady hand on the tiller of public policy.


Xi's popularity is already strong, and this move — at least in the short term — will enhance his already powerful public persona. Finally, Xi's presumed longevity will provide China a leader with a clear, boldly stated strategic goal for its expanding role on the global stage. He laid this out in a major speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, roughly a year ago.


But there will be challenges as well. No matter how competent and effective a leader he is, Xi will be faced with several knotty problems: a badly damaged environment; a super-heated real estate market; badly skewed gender demographics (far more men than women); geopolitical and international legal disputes over the South China Sea; and an aging population (as the saying goes, China will grow old before it grows rich). When growth begins to slow significantly, which it must over time, these irritants in the political and economic system will build up internal pressures and create political discontinuities, just as they always have in other authoritarian societies.


This presents the greatest risk for China. In the end, democracy, for all its flaws and shortcomings, is a safety valve for society when things become frustrating or go wrong — and something always goes wrong. Democracy allows the people to change leaders without bloodshed and anarchy.


The Chinese people have been relatively content with their authoritarian system while hitting growth targets of 10 percent annually, building glittering new infrastructure, moving millions out of the countryside and into the urban settings, and lifting hundreds of millions of people out of poverty. But what will happen when internal pressures grow and there is no mechanism to change leaders?


From the U.S. perspective, Xi's consolidation of power will make China an even more formidable competitor both within East Asia and globally. Countries in the neighborhood — most of which are U.S. allies, partners or friends — will see a single, powerful figure at the top of the Chinese leadership structure and be more inclined to enter into cooperative agreements with what they correctly view as a stable power. Globally, over the long term, authoritarian leaders also have advantages over the revolving door of real democracy. They gather decades of experience and can develop ambitious strategic plans that they will execute themselves.


Contrast this with the U.S. tendency to whipsaw in policy when we change administrations — look at Barack Obama and the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement, followed by Donald Trump's complete rejection of the treaty and tendency to blame China first for our economic problems. Washington will have to respond with an overarching strategy for dealing with China that transcends our individual administrations. This will be challenging but not impossible: The idea of containment against the Soviet Union (obviously not the right approach for China) in the Cold War, for example, was a consistent pillar of foreign policy for decades of presidents.


Perhaps most worrisome is the possibility that if Xi eventually comes under serious domestic pressure, he may be inclined to create external threats to maintain his own popularity. Authoritarian leaders like Hugo Chavez in Venezuela and Vladimir Putin in Russia have done so, painting the United States as a nefarious enemy. A hypernationalist turn in Beijing could lead to confrontation between the United States and China, and a path toward the so-called Thucydides Trap, in which a rising power confronts an existing power — a dynamic that has led so often to war over the past 2,400 years. It will take diplomacy, economic cooperation and leadership on both sides to avoid this.


One of the most iconic novels in the long history of China was written in the mid-18th century: “The Dream of the Red Chamber” by Cao Xueqin. It is a huge, sprawling depiction of Chinese society under the Qing dynasty, when rival families fought for power in a complex hierarchy under a powerful emperor, with a vastly changing international environment as backdrop.


The lesson is that influence rooted in friendship with the emperor (who is never actually named in this dreamy novel) is fragile and uncertain. Much as in the Red Chamber, leaders in China will have to maneuver in a deeply complex internal world, even as China emerges as a fully formed leading actor in the global scene. This will challenge Western democracies at every level. Let us hope we are ready.  "
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I remember the Cold War all too well. I never thought that I'd live to see the day Russia took over the US but that's what has happened. Trump is clearly Putin's puppet, which means Putin effectively rules the US.

I hope this is over soon. And that it doesn't spawn a new era of McCarthyism.




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The Cold War was still going on in the 70s and 80s. A lot of kids my age didn't believe it would end without a nuclear exchange. Remember all those nuclear war movies in the 80s? We were still calling it the Cold War then.
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Freya Gin wrote on Mar 6th, 2018 at 1:04am:
The Cold War was still going on in the 70s and 80s.


True dat, but things were really coming to a head in 1962.

Too bad the Dumbocrats don't have a strong leader today like in '62.


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“What rap did that was impressive was to show there are so many tone-deaf people out there,” he says. “All they need is a drum beat and somebody yelling over it and they’re happy. There’s an enormous market for people who can’t tell one note from another.” - Keef
 
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I remember the Cold War all too well. I never thought that I'd live to see the day Russia took over the US but that's what has happened. Trump is clearly Putin's puppet, which means Putin effectively rules the US.

I hope this is over soon. And that it doesn't spawn a new era of McCarthyism.


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The Cold War was still going on in the 70s and 80s. A lot of kids my age didn't believe it would end without a nuclear exchange. Remember all those nuclear war movies in the 80s? We were still calling it the Cold War then.




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“What rap did that was impressive was to show there are so many tone-deaf people out there,” he says. “All they need is a drum beat and somebody yelling over it and they’re happy. There’s an enormous market for people who can’t tell one note from another.” - Keef
 
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That is pretty funny......no mention of Faux and Friends or Hannity The Hack?....51% of the population didn't vote for "her" guy and are fully entitled to their opinion. Why are Conservatives so steadfast on the second amendment yet less so on the first?
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“What rap did that was impressive was to show there are so many tone-deaf people out there,” he says. “All they need is a drum beat and somebody yelling over it and they’re happy. There’s an enormous market for people who can’t tell one note from another.” - Keef
 
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Really? Come on Edith......whats the point of this?.....extending his 15 minutes??
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http://www.omaha.com/opinion/eli-lake-it-s-too-soon-to-take-north-korea/article_...





" Eli Lake: It's too soon to take North Korea's offer seriously  "







" It’s tempting to interpret Tuesday’s news from Pyongyang with relief and hope. Last November, North Korea’s tyrant Kim Jong Un was testing missiles that could reach the continental United States. President Donald Trump was promising “fire and fury.” And the world looked on in terror.


Now envoys for South Korean President Moon Jae-in report that the Kim regime is willing to negotiate away its nuclear program in exchange for security guarantees. Eagles fly with doves. Peace demands it be given a chance.


But there is reason for skepticism.


The South Korean side, so far, is the only side that has released a statement. It said that Kim’s negotiators “made it clear that it would have no reason to keep nuclear weapons if the military threat to the North was eliminated and its security guaranteed.”


That sounds pretty good. After all, the United States has offered such security guarantees before. It shouldn’t be such a stretch to do it this time. That said, North Korea has a warped view of “security guarantees.”


“The North Koreans historically have said that security guarantees mean no possibility of nuclear weapons in the South,” said Nicholas Eberstadt, a Korea expert at the American Enterprise Institute. “As long as the U.S. is allied with the South, that would be considered a security threat.”


Christopher Hill, the former U.S. ambassador who led North Korea negotiations in George W. Bush’s second term, made this argument powerfully last June. Hill wrote at the time, “The idea that North Korea will abandon its weapons programs in exchange for the promise of security and regime survival has failed whenever it has been tested.”


During Bush’s second term, Hill was one of those voices arguing for exactly the kind of negotiations the North appears to welcome. Indeed, Kim’s father back then made many similar noises. The United States in turn enticed North Korea to negotiations by returning assets it had seized in sanctions and removing the regime from the list of state sponsors of terrorism.


It turned out to be a ruse. In the end, the North Koreans couldn’t agree to a basic verification plan that would prove they had disarmed. As it has always done, Pyongyang pocketed the up-front concessions and used the talks to buy more time.


Context is important here. Consider the interests of the South Koreans. Moon’s government has a political imperative to show progress. The South Korean president is under pressure in Seoul from his right flank. Any kind of agreement, no matter how flimsy, would be a political win for a president trying to stave off reforms that would weaken his office. So the source of the report on North Korea is, shall we say, motivated.


For now, the Trump administration looks like it won’t be fooled again. Trump himself tweeted Tuesday morning that the announcement counted as “possible progress” or “false hope.” A senior administration official told me that in this spirit there were no plans to halt the campaign of increasing sanctions, or maximum pressure, on North Korea and its allies. This official also said a joint military exercise between the United States and South Korea was still scheduled for mid-April.


The joint military exercises, which were delayed this year after Kim agreed to send a delegation to the Winter Olympics in PyeongChang, are a test of whether the Kim regime’s priority truly is the security of the North. The military maneuvers are preparing for a scenario in which the North invades the South, not the other way around. They are about securing South Korea, not threatening North Korea. If Pyongyang overreacts to these maneuvers, that tells us something.


If the denuclearization talks move forward during and after those joint exercises, then it’s possible that Kim’s understanding of his national security has evolved. It’s a little hard to imagine, given his propensity for aggression and delusion. But that would be the best way to assess the latest offer of nuclear negotiations. Until then, it’s best to treat the announcement this week as a ploy to divide Seoul from its most important ally.  "
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Freya Gin wrote on Mar 5th, 2018 at 6:48pm:
I remember the Cold War all too well. I never thought that I'd live to see the day Russia took over the US but that's what has happened. Trump is clearly Putin's puppet, which means Putin effectively rules the US.

I hope this is over soon. And that it doesn't spawn a new era of McCarthyism.


What's all this talk about a Russian pee tape?




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" Francis Fukuyama: China’s ‘bad emperor’ returns  "




" Since 1978, China’s authoritarian political system has been different from virtually all other dictatorships in part because the ruling Communist Party has been subject to rules regarding succession. Term limits for senior leadership have kicked in at regular 10-year intervals three times so far, and the party’s system of cultivating and training new leaders to replace the outgoing ones had allowed it to avoid the stagnation of countries like Egypt, Zimbabwe, Libya or Angola, where presidents ruled for decades.

But all of this is out the window now because of Chinese President Xi Jinping’s recent announcement that term limits on the presidency will be abolished. This means that he will likely be China’s ruler for the rest of his life, turning at one stroke an institutionalized autocracy into a personal one. This builds upon the massive cult of personality he has been cultivating, with “Xi Jinping Thought” now canonized in the Constitution alongside Chairman Mao.

Clear rules putting limits on the power of any one individual are critical for the success of any political system, democratic or not, because no one individual is ever wise or benevolent enough to rule indefinitely. Succession is therefore a point of weakness of all dictatorships: the lack of rules necessitates a damaging power struggle upon the death of the supreme leader.

A great advantage that China has had over contemporary Russia was precisely in those rules: should Russian President Vladimir Putin drop dead of a heart attack tomorrow, a huge power vacuum would emerge and plunge the country into uncertainty as powerful elites fought one another. But even short of succession, regular leadership turnover means that new ideas and new generations can rejuvenate policy and hold prior leaders accountable to some degree.

The rules that have just been tossed out the window were the result of China’s own painful experience during the Cultural Revolution. The weakness of the country’s traditional authoritarian political system has for centuries been called the “bad emperor” problem. A dictatorship with few checks and balances on executive power, like independent courts, a free media or an elected legislature, can do amazing things when the emperor is good: think of former Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew during the early years of Singapore’s growth. The downfall of earlier Chinese regimes has been the emergence of a bad emperor, who could plunge the country into terrible crisis since there were no effective limits on his or (as in the case of the Tang Dynasty’s “Evil Empress Wu”) her power.

The last bad emperor that China had was Mao Zedong. Mao liberated the country from foreign occupation but then went on to trigger two enormous catastrophes: the Great Leap Forward starting in the late 1950s and the Cultural Revolution starting in the late 1960s. The latter set China back a generation and scarred the elites who endured it. Collective leadership emerged as a direct reaction to that experience: Deng Xiaoping and other senior leaders of the party vowed that they would never let a single individual accumulate as much charismatic power as Mao.

The opacity of the Chinese system does not allow us to know definitively how or why Xi has been able to consolidate power behind his personal rule. Part of the motive may stem from worries that power has leached out to a number of regional and ministerial barons who have been corrupt and hard to control from the center (like Bo Xilai, former party chief of Chongqing). Another issue may have been resentment from “princelings” (children of high Communist officials) like Xi of the outsiders who were let into the party under Jiang Zemin and his successors.

Another factor is the simple passage of time. As in Eastern Europe, the experience of living through a harsh dictatorship scars individuals and inoculates them from wanting to resurrect the system that allowed this type of unchecked power. As I was once told by a senior party official: “You cannot understand contemporary China if you don’t understand what an utter disaster the Cultural Revolution was.” But the generation of elites that were sent to the countryside in that period are getting older, and the country has not done anything to educate its young people about Mao’s bloody legacy. They can hear songs from that era like “The East Is Red” and imagine that this was a time of greater solidarity and happiness.

The seemingly casual abolition of term limits in China shows why constitutional government is a good thing. The Chinese Constitution is written by the party’s top leadership and does not constrain them. By contrast, Latin America is full of constitutional democracies with judiciaries that are often surprisingly independent. Presidents in Argentina, Venezuela, Ecuador, Colombia and elsewhere in the region have tried to extend their terms in office but they actually have to spend political capital to do so, and they have not always been successful.

Former Colombian President Álvaro Uribe, for example, hoped to add a third term to his presidency in 2009 but was stymied by the constitutional court, which ruled the extension unconstitutional. He may have done good things for Colombia as president, but the country is much better off with a system that forces even popular presidents to leave office. Last year, Ecuador’s authoritarian President Rafael Correa was similarly forced to step down, and his successor, President Lenín Moreno, has breathed new life into the country’s democracy.

How bad China’s current emperor will be has yet to be determined. So far, he has crushed the hopes of many Chinese for a more open, transparent and liberal society. He has emphasized the party over the country, cracked down on the slightest instances of dissent and instituted a social credit system that uses big data and artificial intelligence to monitor the daily behavior of the country’s citizens. As such, China under Xi may end up showing the world the unimagined forms that a 21st century totalitarian state can take.  "


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...Nut cuppers?

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A 'nut cupper' is a footballer protecting his knackers, or, for instance
"a g-string that incorporates a comfortable support for the knackers while allowing one's penis to roam freely. Made from soft fishnet fabric and sturdy yet soft elastic, this support string is the perfect pair to wear on it's own, at the gym or under street or swimwear".

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A 'nut cupper' is a footballer protecting his knackers, or, for instance
"a g-string that incorporates a comfortable support for the knackers while allowing one's penis to roam freely. Made from soft fishnet fabric and sturdy yet soft elastic, this support string is the perfect pair to wear on it's own, at the gym or under street or swimwear".

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Thanks for the explanation.
I wasn't aiming for anyone's crotch though. One doesn't have to be a feminist (or a minority) to want the Traitor President out.
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...Nut cuppers?

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Trump nut huggers are sometimes referred to as Trump nut cuppers. After hearing one blow on about Trump greatness for about 1 minute. The typical response is don't forget to cup the nuts.
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Freya Gin wrote on Mar 5th, 2018 at 6:48pm:
I remember the Cold War all too well. I never thought that I'd live to see the day Russia took over the US but that's what has happened. Trump is clearly Putin's puppet, which means Putin effectively rules the US.

I hope this is over soon. And that it doesn't spawn a new era of McCarthyism.




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Re: Politics thread (ssc!!)
Reply #2723 - Mar 8th, 2018 at 9:14pm
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<  ------ Is Everyone Sleeping Soundly These Days ?  Our Great President Donald J. Trump ( ' Dear Leader ! ' ) just pulled off a Major Coup !!!!!   ..................... This could very well get  President Trump  Reelected  ( see :  Richard Nixon meets Chairman Mao   , circa 1972 )





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Reply #2724 - Mar 8th, 2018 at 9:25pm
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Some Guy wrote on Mar 2nd, 2018 at 7:10pm:
gimmekeef wrote on Mar 2nd, 2018 at 4:05pm:
Let's jump back to the 50's with tariffs and a trade war. The inflation this will create will eat into any tax breaks the middle class got.

Before this was announced and the markets dipped I wonder about insider trading by friends of you know who.

Wonder what Kushner's view is like from under the bus?


Fucking up- Trump himself seemed to relish the looming international confrontation over the policy shift, tweeting Friday morning that “trade wars are good, and easy to win.”

We predict this thread ends with all the Trump nut huggers leaving this thread and me left posting Obama dancing gifs talking about The Obama Bounce.





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Michael Barone: Trump, congressional leaders are deeply affected by their experiences in the 1970s






" Not since James Monroe left the presidency in 1825, 48 years after he fought in the Battle of Princeton, has America had political leadership with careers running so far back in the past. Current government leaders have political pedigrees going back to the 1970s.

Consider the Senate. Democratic leader Chuck Schumer was first elected to the New York Assembly in 1974. Republican leader Mitch McConnell became Jefferson County judge, the county administrator for Louisville, Kentucky, in 1977.

Consider the House. Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi was elected Northern California Democratic chairwoman in 1977. Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer was elected to the Maryland Senate in 1966 and became state Senate president in 1975.

And California’s leading Democrats? Sen. Dianne Feinstein was elected to the San Francisco Board of Supervisors in 1970 and became mayor in 1978. Gov. Jerry Brown was elected California secretary of state in 1970 and to his first term as governor in 1974.

Technically, President Donald Trump is an exception, never having held public office until 2017. But his public career began in the 1970s, a decade during which New York City’s population fell by 823,000. Trump refocused his father’s business from the outer boroughs, whose white ethnics were fleeing into Manhattan and where low real estate prices, other people’s money and political pull enabled him to flourish in anticipation of an eventual upturn.

When Trump developed his disdain for establishment liberal opinion and his penchant for outrageous tabloid-style disparagement thereof, he was the odd man out in the Reagan/Bush/Clinton high contentment years and a natural fit for post-2007 discontent.

Democrats with political roots in the 1970s have a different perspective. They have persevered in office even as political times changed. During the Reagan governorship and presidency, they pursued incremental leftward initiatives, like Henry Waxman’s behind-the-scenes Medicaid expansion in the 1980s.

During the Obama presidency, they charged ahead. Even after Republican Scott Brown’s special-election victory in Massachusetts in 2010 deprived Democrats of their Senate supermajority, Pelosi pushed in the House for enactment of a necessarily flawed version of Obamacare. She would sacrifice some of her majority to achieve an important policy goal.

In California these days, and nationally, these veteran Democrats have to fend off extremists in their own party. Brown has been resisting legislative Democrats’ extravagant proposals like single-payer health care. Pelosi has been cautioning Democratic candidates to stop talking about impeachment.

Nonetheless, former President Richard Nixon‘s impeachment remains a central memory of these Democrats’ formative political years. It has inclined them to believe that the “Russian collusion” issue will result in Trump’s removal some time soon and to hope it would be followed by Democratic victories as decisive as those of 1974 and 1976.

Donald Trump’s experiences give him a different perspective, one firmly anchored in New York City. For him, the 1970s were a time of increasing crime and disorder, of manipulation of rules and regulations by political insiders — a time when modest-income white ethnics were disparaged and driven from the city by the hundreds of thousands.

In the 1990s, elite opinion was encapsulated when the editorial page of the New York Times relentlessly attacked Mayor Rudy Giuliani’s crime-fighting policies and welfare reforms. Liberals dismissed them as fascist and authoritarian. Trump, who could see that Giuliani cut violent crime and welfare dependency by more than half, dismissed such criticism, as he does similar statements about his own actions today.

The 1970s saw the emergence of what Democratic pollster Stanley Greenberg calls the coalition of the ascendant — blacks, Hispanics, feminists, gays, public employee union members. That coalition was enough to give presidential candidate Hillary Clinton a plurality of the popular vote in 2016.

The 1970s also saw the demotion of white working-class and ethnic voters from their position, since the 1930s, as the central mainstays and honored heroes of the Democratic Party. Trump identified with them and opposed establishment free trade and immigration policies he thought were hurting them. Those voters have largely disappeared from political significance in New York City and coastal California. But they were numerous enough in Florida, Pennsylvania, the Midwest and northern Maine to switch 100 electoral votes and elect Trump in 2016.

The result? We’re still saddled with the politics and politicians of that slum of a decade, the 1970s.  "
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