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Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Reply #25 - Jan 19^th, 2011 at 5:57pm

" .... the fact that he mightn't deem it financially worth the effort in the current climate is also a major factor, but it may not be the only one. "

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Reply #26 - Jan 19^th, 2011 at 6:10pm

I have said it before and I will say it again...

Set up a RESIDENCY in 3 or 4 cities...

let the money come to you, Mick!!!

Low overhead...plenty of R & R...a serious comfort zone...
and themed shows...greatest hits...60s/70s...70s/80... 90s/00 ( the best seats will be at these shows)...specific albums...stripped...or not...

I think Jagger can still fit in all the glitter blazers from 2005

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Joey I Have No Life! Online Posts: 20,262 Omaha , NE Gender:	Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates Reply #27 - Jan 19^th, 2011 at 6:13pm " [Set up a RESIDENCY in 3 or 4 cities... let the money come to you, Mick!!! Low overhead...plenty of R & R...a serious comfort zone... " < ----- Sounds like Vegas !!!!!!!! Sure does Lil' Fella ( Lil' Fijikins ..... oh , Little Fiji ... Lilttle Fijikins ... oh ............)
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Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Reply #28 - Jan 19^th, 2011 at 6:19pm

Paranoid Android wrote on Jan 19^th, 2011 at 6:10pm:

I have said it before and I will say it again...

Set up a RESIDENCY in 3 or 4 cities...

let the money come to you, Mick!!!

Low overhead...plenty of R & R...a serious comfort zone...
and themed shows...greatest hits...60s/70s...70s/80... 90s/00 ( the best seats will be at these shows)...specific albums...stripped...or not...

I think Jagger can still fit in all the glitter blazers from 2005

Keith no likey. Interesting stuff Ronnie!

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Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Reply #29 - Jan 19^th, 2011 at 6:46pm

Paranoid Android wrote on Jan 19^th, 2011 at 6:10pm:

I have said it before and I will say it again...

Set up a RESIDENCY in 3 or 4 cities...

let the money come to you, Mick!!!

Low overhead...plenty of R & R...a serious comfort zone...
and themed shows...greatest hits...60s/70s...70s/80... 90s/00 ( the best seats will be at these shows)...specific albums...stripped...or not...

I think Jagger can still fit in all the glitter blazers from 2005

A great idea for many acts, but unworkable for a band who in their main markets were charging $450 for MOST of their tickets last time.

Such a venture relies on attendees travelling to the city in question, staying in hotels and maybe even attending multiple shows. Ain't gonna realistically happen at those prices especially when the band dont ever play two nights in a row.

Prince charged £31.21 at the 02 and sold out 21 nights pre-economic crash. Michael Jackson charged £75 for most tickets and sold out 50 shows. Most Stones tickets were £150 and they barely filled the three nights that they put on sale.

They're seriously going to have to eat some humble pie and charge less money.

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Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Reply #30 - Jan 20^th, 2011 at 12:38am

Gazza wrote on Jan 19^th, 2011 at 7:30am:

steel driving hammer wrote on Jan 19^th, 2011 at 7:13am:

The "hold up" is Mick.

Just Mick.

Possibly true, to a point - but then ask yourself why he wouldnt be interested in a Stones tour at the minute.

Maybe he can't stand the thought of being in the same vicinity as Keith for months on end?

Maybe as a professional, he's concerned about the effects of ageing, ill-health and overindulgence down the years are likely to have on the band's two guitarists and, as a result of that, on the band's reputation.

Mick's not an idiot - he refused to tour in 1986 not only because of the poor relationships within the band but also because of the state of health of individual members (ie, 'they weren't fit to cross the Champs-Elysees, never mind go on the road').

Of course, the fact that he mightn't deem it financially worth the effort in the current climate is also a major factor, but it may not be the only one.

The fact that they met 6 weeks ago and STILL couldnt agree to tour in 2011 is a bad sign - as is the fact that apparently they decided to wait until February to talk about it again.

I think this writer is a bit optimistic to think there's a chance that the Stones might release a new CD INSTEAD of touring in 2011. If they are to make one, it'll be BECAUSE they (and Universal) want a product out at the same time as a tour.

If they're going to tour without one, to be honest, I'd rather they stayed at home. The fact that the last tour was effectively a continuation of the Licks stadium shows was a bad enough idea. Three greatest hits tours in a row would be pointless and just taking the piss.

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Gazza rest assured Mick Jagger IS interested in a Stones tour...Why? =cash, fame, performing. As you said he's no dummy so it should not of taken him this long to finally realize his bread and butter is with The Rolling Stones. Be it financially or publicity wise nothing he has done, or will do will come close to that ...so he knows it. However something isn't jiving with the summer of 2011 being the time??

Something is a "problem" there. I hope they all have their health?... Possibly we will see an album... It's only been six years since their last release....

As you said ... I am not too interested in a tour. I am interested in a album FIRST then I will start thinkin about goin and seeing them. I KNOW what they can do live. We all do. What we don't know is how much, and to what quality they can deliver an album these days. I look forward to a great Stones album making me feel as only The Stones can. Some how it always fits into the story of your life and you love it. That is what I look forward to... not a tour so much. Tour is secondary to me these days. There is much more mystery to a studio release.

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Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Reply #31 - Jan 20^th, 2011 at 7:28am

The taking less money approach may have been presented at the last summit. More than lack of new ideas I would think this is the real reason there is no solid tour plan. Points to the greed factor and ego. I mean if Dylan and Plant etc can tour smaller venues because they enjoy it or want to for their fans why can't our guys? yeah right.........

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Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Reply #35 - Jan 20^th, 2011 at 10:56am

Ok, I've see guys.. only one thing maybe we could do for finally see London's guys..
Each one of us put together the money for booking them for a private gig.
Six million dollars at least...
A great Stone Rockoffer show..
To them like it, to they seem me that only liked it in all these years..

It's only rock and roll but I like it, like it..

Or not?

Not only them are getting older, but also the fans.. Cheesy

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Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Reply #36 - Jan 20^th, 2011 at 11:02am

Ian Billen wrote on Jan 20^th, 2011 at 12:38am:

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Gazza rest assured Mick Jagger IS interested in a Stones tour...Why? =cash, fame, performing. As you said he's no dummy so it should not of taken him this long to finally realize his bread and butter is with The Rolling Stones. Be it financially or publicity wise nothing he has done, or will do will come close to that ...so he knows it. However something isn't jiving with the summer of 2011 being the time??

Something is a "problem" there. I hope they all have their health?... Possibly we will see an album... It's only been six years since their last release....

Not as convinced as you are. Money might be all well and good, but it wouldnt be the first time that Jagger has refused to tour with the Stones because he felt the band weren't up to the task OR because relationships within the band made such a venture an unpleasant prospect.

In 1986 it was both. In 2011 it could well be one of the above (more likely the first one) and also for the first time ever there's the added elephant in the room that (gasp) a Stones tour may not be the sure-fire record breaker that it's always been in the past.

They'll need a new business model next time. Can Jagger's ego stomach making the effort to embark on a major tour which will only bring in a fraction of the revenue that previous tours made?

The Stones may live in a bubble, but most of the rest of the planet certainly don't. If they dont make their shows more affordable, they'll have serious problems.

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Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Reply #40 - Jan 20^th, 2011 at 8:31pm

50 LICKS?! 50 YEARS is the next cash cow for the Stones. MICK is still mad about what KEEF wrote in the book about his tiny todger! However, the 50 YEAR ANNIVERSARY will trump the bad feelings and MICK will get over his moodiness by then. MICK's ego is large and proud, but he's far from stupid so the Stones will cash in on 50th YEARS and release a big CD 50 song package and a few new songs thrown in so we have to buy it! Another tour of just the big cities where people spend the bucks and add another successful tour to their legendary career, praised for the longest running act, one for the history books! It aint over yet!

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Reply #42 - Jan 20^th, 2011 at 9:52pm

Gazza wrote on Jan 20^th, 2011 at 11:02am:

Ian Billen wrote on Jan 20^th, 2011 at 12:38am:

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Gazza rest assured Mick Jagger IS interested in a Stones tour...Why? =cash, fame, performing. As you said he's no dummy so it should not of taken him this long to finally realize his bread and butter is with The Rolling Stones. Be it financially or publicity wise nothing he has done, or will do will come close to that ...so he knows it. However something isn't jiving with the summer of 2011 being the time??

Something is a "problem" there. I hope they all have their health?... Possibly we will see an album... It's only been six years since their last release....

Not as convinced as you are. Money might be all well and good, but it wouldnt be the first time that Jagger has refused to tour with the Stones because he felt the band weren't up to the task OR because relationships within the band made such a venture an unpleasant prospect.

In 1986 it was both. In 2011 it could well be one of the above (more likely the first one) and also for the first time ever there's the added elephant in the room that (gasp) a Stones tour may not be the sure-fire record breaker that it's always been in the past.

They'll need a new business model next time. Can Jagger's ego stomach making the effort to embark on a major tour which will only bring in a fraction of the revenue that previous tours made?

The Stones may live in a bubble, but most of the rest of the planet certainly don't. If they dont make their shows more affordable, they'll have serious problems.

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From the interview with Keith where he stated they were talking about "changing" how The Rolling Stones tour and the tid-bits coming in saying they are looking into different options .... and with their high profile promoters looking at if it is possible and how in 2011-2012 (Cohl ... not to mention Jagger and Co's. and all their handlers/management's business savy) I am sure they realize a change in how it is to work is necessary. This time I think the standard album .... followed by a year and a half/two year tour is out. I sense a change in the order of things some how.

No Stones tour in history lost money. With all their high end analysts / promoters looking at these multi-million dollar jaunts of today I am sure they will make the necessary adjustments or change direction appropriately. Remember, whether Jaggers ego is large or not... the people surrounding them are not going to invest all their time and all this money if it has a good chance at failing. Jagger will have to promote and fund the tour himself if he isn't willing to accept changes. It's economics and as large as Jaggers ego is, and with all the clout the guy has which is immense, still he isnt going to persuade a promotion company and/or corporate sponsors to spend millions against their analysts better judgment.

*As far as Mick being interested. What I meant is the guy is certainly interested... but I agree as you said ...he'd stand behind not touring if he thought it would embarrass him or the band. He was too calculative and wisely reserved to risk a Stones endeavor in 86 and he's every bit as calculative today.

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Reply #44 - Jan 21^st, 2011 at 7:04am

Do we ever stop to think...that maybe they are just done with all the effort that goes into touring?..Man at their age with their tour legacy secured I'd be hard pressed to say.."yeah let's give it a go" unless there was a compelling reason to do so. i can't find one....50 years ??? not sure even that's enough

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Reply #45 - Jan 21^st, 2011 at 9:51am

I'm not suggesting a Stones tour would lose money, Ian - as long as they're being bankrolled up to their necks by corporate sponsors, thats never going to happen - but that it might not be the windfall that's massive enough to make them want to bother even risking it.

And to echo what scl and gimmekeef have just said, Keith's 'pronouncements' about the band's future altruistic intentions have become more empty and worthless with each succeeding year, and the argument that the entire band is really into doing all of this anymore isn't that convincing.

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Reply #48 - Jan 21^st, 2011 at 2:51pm

Joey wrote on Jan 21^st, 2011 at 12:40pm:

" IN HONOR OF THE 25TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE 86 NON TOUR.. THE STONES WILL NOT TOUR IN 2011.
ONE CAN MEDICATE ONES DEPRESSIONS BY PLAYING DIRTY WORK....LOUD ! "

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