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Message started by Voodoo Chile In Wonderland on Jan 18th, 2011 at 9:49pm

Title: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by Voodoo Chile In Wonderland on Jan 18th, 2011 at 9:49pm
Charlie Watts announces 2011 tour dates for his jazz band
January 18th, 2011 3:13 pm ET
http://www.examiner.com/rolling-stones-in-national/charlie-watts-announces-2011-tour-dates-for-his-jazz-band#ixzz1BRw1gALn

Just as he did in 2010, Rolling Stones drummer Charlie Watts is doing select tour dates in Europe in 2011, with his jazz band The A, B, C & D of Boogie Woogie. The 2011 tour kicks off in Vienna, Austria, at the Wiener Metropol on March 30, March 31 and April 1. Other tour dates are to be announced.

(Click here to see The A, B, C & D of Boogie Woogie perform at a September 2010 concert in Paris.)

The A, B, C & D of Boogie Woogie group members also include bass player Dave Green and pianists Axel Zwingenberger and Ben Waters. As previously reported, Waters has collaborated with the Rolling Stones and former Stones bass player Bill Wyman for a tribute album titled "Boogie for Stu," honoring the late Ian Stewart, who was a longtime backup musician for the Stones. The Rolling Stones and Wyman have reportedly recorded a cover version of Bob Dylan's "Watching the River Flow" for Waters' "Boogie for Stu" album (due out on March 9, 2011), which features several other guests artists.

In 2010, there were rampant rumors that the Stones would begin their next tour in the summer of 2011. I have always been skeptical that a Stones tour would begin in the summer of 2011, considering that it takes about a year for the Stones to plan their tours, and there was no indication that they were preparing to start a tour at that time.

If a Stones tour had been scheduled for the summer of 2011, the Stones would have to be ready to rehearse by the spring of 2011. And with Watts touring with his jazz band during this period of time, all signs point to the Stones not being ready to tour until the last quarter of 2011, if they tour in 2011 at all. A new Rolling Stones album in 2011 is more likely, as guitarist Keith Richards has been hinting in his more recent interviews. Stay tuned

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jan 18th, 2011 at 10:14pm
So much for the reluctant drummer not wanting to tour.......It's pretty clear at this point what the hold up is. :wtf1 :wtf2 :willya

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by Kilroy on Jan 18th, 2011 at 10:55pm
Good for the folks across the pond and Charlie, but
I guess this means no Stones Tour........
:sad


Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by paul on Jan 19th, 2011 at 3:07am
Does anyone really think the Stones will do another huge tour. They have nothing to prove, so why bother. Thats not saying they should never play together again, but a huge tour, personally i dont see it.


Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by corgi37 on Jan 19th, 2011 at 4:22am
A huge "goodbye" tour and be done with it. I dont think Mick & Keith would care if they ever saw each other again.

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by TomL on Jan 19th, 2011 at 6:53am
It's coming, just have to hope everyones health holds out. Hey you mexican fucker.  :smoking :perverted :kissmyass :blankfriggingstare1 :Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey :paristhong

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by steel driving hammer on Jan 19th, 2011 at 7:13am
The "hold up" is Mick.

Just Mick.

Ole Bastard.

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by Gazza on Jan 19th, 2011 at 7:30am

steel driving hammer wrote on Jan 19th, 2011 at 7:13am:
The "hold up" is Mick.

Just Mick.



Possibly true, to a point - but then ask yourself why he wouldnt be interested in a Stones tour at the minute.

Maybe he can't stand the thought of being in the same vicinity as Keith for months on end?

Maybe as a professional, he's concerned about the effects of ageing, ill-health and overindulgence down the years are likely to have on the band's two guitarists and, as a result of that, on the band's reputation.

Mick's not an idiot - he refused to tour in 1986 not only because of the poor relationships within the band but also because of the state of health of individual members (ie, 'they weren't fit to cross the Champs-Elysees, never mind go on the road').

Of course, the fact that he mightn't deem it financially worth the effort in the current climate is also a major factor, but it may not be the only one.

The fact that they met 6 weeks ago and STILL couldnt agree to tour in 2011 is a bad sign - as is the fact that apparently they decided to wait until February to talk about it again.

I think this writer is a bit optimistic to think there's a chance that the Stones might release a new CD INSTEAD of touring in 2011. If they are to make one, it'll be BECAUSE they (and Universal) want a product out at the same time as a tour.

If they're going to tour without one, to be honest, I'd rather they stayed at home. The fact that the last tour was effectively a continuation of the Licks stadium shows was a bad enough idea. Three greatest hits tours in a row would be pointless and just taking the piss.

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by steel driving hammer on Jan 19th, 2011 at 8:25am

Gazza wrote on Jan 19th, 2011 at 7:30am:

steel driving hammer wrote on Jan 19th, 2011 at 7:13am:
The "hold up" is Mick.

Just Mick.


Three greatest hits tours in a row would be pointless and just taking the piss.


Yeah they've been doing that forever it seems.

A nice, mellowed out arena tour of songs never played would be hard since they'd have to go back together and re-learn all those songs together day in and day out. I can see why they want to be apart for a while.

I'd be easier (and yes pointless) for them to do another greatest hits tour, since they already know the songs!

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by gimmekeef on Jan 19th, 2011 at 8:42am
Heck if they did a new album and it was a huge hit with great songs (yeah I wish) they'd still only play 2-3 songs from it anyway. They'll never do a good bye tour (far too Whoish)..so at this point creatively, economically and band vibe wise touring makes no sense. With each passing month the likelihood of those factors all changing upwards imho decreases.

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jan 19th, 2011 at 9:26am
Well it can't be health problems. Charlie's looking good. Ronnie has been staying sober. Keith looks healthy in public appearences. Altough his ability to play guitar is a huge question mark.Certainly nothing wrong with Mick's health. They just can't seem to figure out a way to do something different from the mega tours they're used to doing.

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by steel driving hammer on Jan 19th, 2011 at 9:43am
Good things come, to those who wait? lol :whatapostronnie

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by Some Guy on Jan 19th, 2011 at 9:57am
That's a wrap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBzJGckMYO4

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by Gazza on Jan 19th, 2011 at 10:53am

gimmekeef wrote on Jan 19th, 2011 at 8:42am:
Heck if they did a new album and it was a huge hit with great songs (yeah I wish) they'd still only play 2-3 songs from it anyway. They'll never do a good bye tour (far too Whoish)..so at this point creatively, economically and band vibe wise touring makes no sense. With each passing month the likelihood of those factors all changing upwards imho decreases.


Two months ago, I'd have given the chances of the Stones touring in 2011 as 90/10. And that it would be behind a new record.

Right now? I'd say about 60/40 at best for a tour, with a new record about 40/60.

Thats not to say that they wouldnt do either again if it didnt happen this year, but if I'm being honest, the very thought of the Stones touring in 2012 after FIVE years of pretty much total activity at their age is enough to make me shit liquid. Four years of sitting on their arses is bad enough.

The longer they go without any activity then the more musically futile this is going to be and the more convinced I am that they've really reached a stage where they simply can't be bothered anymore but won't admit it.

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by LadyJane on Jan 19th, 2011 at 11:44am
If we don't hear anything after the supposed February meeting, things are not in our favor.
At the same time, I cannot imagine them letting the 50th anniversary go by without a Tour.

The flame on my candle of hope is fading.

And then MAJOR depression set in.....................................................sigh

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by BILL PERKS on Jan 19th, 2011 at 11:49am
I DO BELIEVE THE TOURS ARE OVER BUT I THINK THEYLL BE ONSTAGE AT SOME POINT AGAIN.
DUDES ARE OLD.
THE "WYMAN RETURNING FOR TOUR" NON SENSE WAS HYSTERICAL.HE'LL BE SEVENTY FUCKING FIVE   IN OCTOBER !
:boring

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by Honky Tonk Man on Jan 19th, 2011 at 12:27pm
Gazza, what do you think the chances of a new 'Best-Of' are? 40 Licks in no longer available of course and if the Stones are to tour in celebration of 50 years as a group, then I can sense another compilation on the horizon. After all, how many have the Who relreased in recent years?

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by steel driving hammer on Jan 19th, 2011 at 12:30pm

LadyJane wrote on Jan 19th, 2011 at 11:44am:
And then MAJOR depression set in.....................................................sigh


lol

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jan 19th, 2011 at 12:54pm

LadyJane wrote on Jan 19th, 2011 at 11:44am:
If we don't hear anything after the supposed February meeting, things are not in our favor.
At the same time, I cannot imagine them letting the 50th anniversary go by without a Tour.

The flame on my candle of hope is fading.

And then MAJOR depression set in.....................................................sigh

At least your credit cards will thank you. :)

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by Boomy on Jan 19th, 2011 at 2:17pm
I'm sure the major hold up is Don Was. Dude is probably busy doing something.

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by Gazza on Jan 19th, 2011 at 4:38pm

LadyJane wrote on Jan 19th, 2011 at 11:44am:
If we don't hear anything after the supposed February meeting, things are not in our favor.
At the same time, I cannot imagine them letting the 50th anniversary go by without a Tour.


They'll NOT let that pass without a bang of some sort. I'd bet money on it.

Whether it's in any wise for them to wait that long before they do anything is another matter entirely, though.

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by Gazza on Jan 19th, 2011 at 4:40pm

Honky Tonk Man wrote on Jan 19th, 2011 at 12:27pm:
Gazza, what do you think the chances of a new 'Best-Of' are? 40 Licks in no longer available of course and if the Stones are to tour in celebration of 50 years as a group, then I can sense another compilation on the horizon. After all, how many have the Who relreased in recent years?


Very high. They have a five year deal with Universal which is mainly based on their back catalogue. The optimum time for Universal to cash in on that arrangement would be around a tour or anniversary.

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by Tumbling Dijs on Jan 19th, 2011 at 4:44pm
I still believe that in april there will be a pressconference anouncing a worldtour, starting somewhere around september in the US. I think the designing and building of the stage(s) have already begun. I don't however believe in a new album. That's just to late for a new tour. Let's wait and see.

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by Honky Tonk Man on Jan 19th, 2011 at 5:10pm

Gazza wrote on Jan 19th, 2011 at 4:40pm:
[Very high. They have a five year deal with Universal which is mainly based on their back catalogue. The optimum time for Universal to cash in on that arrangement would be around a tour or anniversary.


I'm thinking another 40 Licks-style comp could be on the cards with a few newley recorded tracks thrown in. I'd prefer a new full studio release, but meh, I'd take it.

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by BILL PERKS on Jan 19th, 2011 at 5:47pm

Tumbling Dijs wrote on Jan 19th, 2011 at 4:44pm:
I still believe that in april there will be a pressconference anouncing a worldtour, starting somewhere around september in the US. I think the designing and building of the stage(s) have already begun. I don't however believe in a new album. That's just to late for a new tour. Let's wait and see.


ARE YOU RELATED TO IAN BILLEN ?

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by Joey on Jan 19th, 2011 at 5:57pm
"  ....  the fact that he mightn't deem it financially worth the effort in the current climate is also a major factor, but it may not be the only one.   "


<  ------ AMEN !!!!!!!!!!


Damn Straight    ....... Twenty - Five Consecutive Months of Nine Percent or greater Unemployment here in the United States ( longest such streak since the 1930's  ) . Nice :(


Snuggles  



Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by Paranoid Android on Jan 19th, 2011 at 6:10pm
I have said it before and I will say it again...

Set up a RESIDENCY in 3 or 4 cities...

let the money come to you, Mick!!!

Low overhead...plenty of R & R...a serious comfort zone...
and themed shows...greatest hits...60s/70s...70s/80... 90s/00 ( the best seats will be at these shows)...specific albums...stripped...or not...

I think Jagger can still fit in all the glitter blazers from 2005

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by Joey on Jan 19th, 2011 at 6:13pm
" [Set up a RESIDENCY in 3 or 4 cities...

let the money come to you, Mick!!!

Low overhead...plenty of R & R...a serious comfort zone... "

<  ----- Sounds like Vegas !!!!!!!!



Sure does Lil' Fella ( Lil' Fijikins  ..... oh , Little Fiji     ... Lilttle Fijikins    ... oh ............)

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jan 19th, 2011 at 6:19pm

Paranoid Android wrote on Jan 19th, 2011 at 6:10pm:
I have said it before and I will say it again...

Set up a RESIDENCY in 3 or 4 cities...

let the money come to you, Mick!!!

Low overhead...plenty of R & R...a serious comfort zone...
and themed shows...greatest hits...60s/70s...70s/80... 90s/00 ( the best seats will be at these shows)...specific albums...stripped...or not...

I think Jagger can still fit in all the glitter blazers from 2005

Keith no likey. :interestingstuffronnie

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by Gazza on Jan 19th, 2011 at 6:46pm

Paranoid Android wrote on Jan 19th, 2011 at 6:10pm:
I have said it before and I will say it again...

Set up a RESIDENCY in 3 or 4 cities...

let the money come to you, Mick!!!

Low overhead...plenty of R & R...a serious comfort zone...
and themed shows...greatest hits...60s/70s...70s/80... 90s/00 ( the best seats will be at these shows)...specific albums...stripped...or not...

I think Jagger can still fit in all the glitter blazers from 2005



A great idea for many acts, but unworkable for a band who in their main markets were charging $450 for MOST of their tickets last time.

Such a venture relies on attendees travelling to the city in question, staying in hotels and maybe even attending multiple shows. Ain't gonna realistically happen at those prices especially when the band dont ever play two nights in a row.

Prince charged £31.21 at the 02 and sold out 21 nights pre-economic crash. Michael Jackson charged £75 for most tickets and sold out 50 shows. Most Stones tickets were £150 and they barely filled the three nights that they put on sale.

They're seriously going to have to eat some humble pie and charge less money.

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by Ian Billen on Jan 20th, 2011 at 12:38am

Gazza wrote on Jan 19th, 2011 at 7:30am:

steel driving hammer wrote on Jan 19th, 2011 at 7:13am:
The "hold up" is Mick.

Just Mick.



Possibly true, to a point - but then ask yourself why he wouldnt be interested in a Stones tour at the minute.

Maybe he can't stand the thought of being in the same vicinity as Keith for months on end?

Maybe as a professional, he's concerned about the effects of ageing, ill-health and overindulgence down the years are likely to have on the band's two guitarists and, as a result of that, on the band's reputation.

Mick's not an idiot - he refused to tour in 1986 not only because of the poor relationships within the band but also because of the state of health of individual members (ie, 'they weren't fit to cross the Champs-Elysees, never mind go on the road').

Of course, the fact that he mightn't deem it financially worth the effort in the current climate is also a major factor, but it may not be the only one.

The fact that they met 6 weeks ago and STILL couldnt agree to tour in 2011 is a bad sign - as is the fact that apparently they decided to wait until February to talk about it again.

I think this writer is a bit optimistic to think there's a chance that the Stones might release a new CD INSTEAD of touring in 2011. If they are to make one, it'll be BECAUSE they (and Universal) want a product out at the same time as a tour.

If they're going to tour without one, to be honest, I'd rather they stayed at home. The fact that the last tour was effectively a continuation of the Licks stadium shows was a bad enough idea. Three greatest hits tours in a row would be pointless and just taking the piss.


______________________________

Gazza rest assured Mick Jagger IS interested in a Stones tour...Why? =cash, fame, performing. As you said he's no dummy so it should not of taken him this long to finally realize his bread and butter is with The Rolling Stones. Be it financially or publicity wise nothing he has done, or will do will come close to that ...so he knows it.  However something isn't jiving with the summer of 2011 being the time??

Something is a "problem" there. I hope they all have their health?... Possibly we will see an album... It's only been six years since their last release....

As you said ... I am not too interested in a tour. I am interested in a album FIRST then I will start thinkin about goin and seeing them.  I KNOW what they can do live. We all do. What we don't know is how much, and to what quality they can deliver an album these days. I look forward to a great Stones album making me feel as only The Stones can. Some how it always fits into the story of your life and you love it. That is what I look forward to... not a tour so much. Tour is secondary to me these days. There is much more mystery to a studio release.

Ian

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by gimmekeef on Jan 20th, 2011 at 7:28am
The taking less money approach may have been presented at the last summit. More than lack of new ideas I would think this is the real reason there is no solid tour plan. Points to the greed factor and ego. I mean if Dylan and Plant etc can tour smaller venues because they enjoy it or want to for their fans why can't our guys? yeah right.........

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by Some Guy on Jan 20th, 2011 at 8:46am
guys. they are getting older and they got other shit to do.

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by gimmekeef on Jan 20th, 2011 at 9:10am

Some Guy wrote on Jan 20th, 2011 at 8:46am:
guys. they are getting older and they got other shit to do.


Like what?...shit........

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by Some Guy on Jan 20th, 2011 at 9:16am

gimmekeef wrote on Jan 20th, 2011 at 9:10am:

Some Guy wrote on Jan 20th, 2011 at 8:46am:
guys. they are getting older and they got other shit to do.


Like what?...shit........

family, friends and enjoying the fruits of success.

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by Lantern<High on Jan 20th, 2011 at 10:56am
Ok, I've see guys.. only one thing maybe we could do for finally see London's guys..
Each one of us put together the money for booking them for a private gig.
Six million dollars at least...
A great Stone Rockoffer show..
To them like it, to they seem me that only liked it in all these years..

It's only rock and roll but I like it, like it..


Or not? ;)

Not only them are getting older, but also the fans..  :D

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by Gazza on Jan 20th, 2011 at 11:02am

Ian Billen wrote on Jan 20th, 2011 at 12:38am:

______________________________

Gazza rest assured Mick Jagger IS interested in a Stones tour...Why? =cash, fame, performing. As you said he's no dummy so it should not of taken him this long to finally realize his bread and butter is with The Rolling Stones. Be it financially or publicity wise nothing he has done, or will do will come close to that ...so he knows it.  However something isn't jiving with the summer of 2011 being the time??

Something is a "problem" there. I hope they all have their health?... Possibly we will see an album... It's only been six years since their last release....



Not as convinced as you are. Money might be all well and good, but it wouldnt be the first time that Jagger has refused to tour with the Stones because he felt the band weren't up to the task OR because relationships within the band made such a venture an unpleasant prospect.

In 1986 it was both. In 2011 it could well be one of the above (more likely the first one) and also for the first time ever there's the added elephant in the room that (gasp) a Stones tour may not be the sure-fire record breaker that it's always been in the past.  

They'll need a new business model next time. Can Jagger's ego stomach making the effort to embark on a major tour which will only bring in a fraction of the revenue that previous tours made?

The Stones may live in a bubble, but most of the rest of the planet certainly don't. If they dont make their shows more affordable, they'll have serious problems.


Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by Gazza on Jan 20th, 2011 at 11:03am

gimmekeef wrote on Jan 20th, 2011 at 9:10am:

Some Guy wrote on Jan 20th, 2011 at 8:46am:
guys. they are getting older and they got other shit to do.


Like what?...shit........



Exactly. Old people tend to need to shit more.

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by gimmekeef on Jan 20th, 2011 at 12:11pm

Gazza wrote on Jan 20th, 2011 at 11:03am:

gimmekeef wrote on Jan 20th, 2011 at 9:10am:

Some Guy wrote on Jan 20th, 2011 at 8:46am:
guys. they are getting older and they got other shit to do.


Like what?...shit........



Exactly. Old people tend to need to shit more.


LOL..tell me about it!!!

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by Joey on Jan 20th, 2011 at 6:07pm
"  ... Old people tend to need to shit more.  "


!!!!!!!



Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by Bitch on Jan 20th, 2011 at 8:31pm
50 LICKS?!  50 YEARS is the next cash cow for the Stones. MICK is still mad about what KEEF wrote in the book about his tiny todger! However, the 50 YEAR ANNIVERSARY will trump the bad feelings and MICK will get over his moodiness by then. MICK's ego is large and proud, but he's far from stupid so the Stones will cash in on 50th YEARS and release a big CD 50 song package and a few new songs thrown in so we have to buy it! Another tour of just the big cities where people spend the bucks and add another successful tour to their legendary career, praised for the longest running act, one for the history books! It aint over yet!

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jan 20th, 2011 at 9:36pm
The Bitch is back! :booze :willya

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by Ian Billen on Jan 20th, 2011 at 9:52pm

Gazza wrote on Jan 20th, 2011 at 11:02am:

Ian Billen wrote on Jan 20th, 2011 at 12:38am:

______________________________

Gazza rest assured Mick Jagger IS interested in a Stones tour...Why? =cash, fame, performing. As you said he's no dummy so it should not of taken him this long to finally realize his bread and butter is with The Rolling Stones. Be it financially or publicity wise nothing he has done, or will do will come close to that ...so he knows it.  However something isn't jiving with the summer of 2011 being the time??

Something is a "problem" there. I hope they all have their health?... Possibly we will see an album... It's only been six years since their last release....



Not as convinced as you are. Money might be all well and good, but it wouldnt be the first time that Jagger has refused to tour with the Stones because he felt the band weren't up to the task OR because relationships within the band made such a venture an unpleasant prospect.

In 1986 it was both. In 2011 it could well be one of the above (more likely the first one) and also for the first time ever there's the added elephant in the room that (gasp) a Stones tour may not be the sure-fire record breaker that it's always been in the past.  

They'll need a new business model next time. Can Jagger's ego stomach making the effort to embark on a major tour which will only bring in a fraction of the revenue that previous tours made?

The Stones may live in a bubble, but most of the rest of the planet certainly don't. If they dont make their shows more affordable, they'll have serious problems.

_________________________

From the interview with Keith where he stated they were talking about "changing" how The Rolling Stones tour and the tid-bits coming in saying they are looking into different options .... and with their high profile promoters looking at if it is possible and how in 2011-2012 (Cohl ... not to mention Jagger and Co's. and all their handlers/management's business savy) I am sure they realize a change in how it is to work is necessary. This time I think the standard album .... followed by a year and a half/two year tour is out. I sense a change in the order of things some how.

No Stones tour in history lost money. With all their high end analysts / promoters looking at these multi-million dollar jaunts of today I am sure they will make the necessary adjustments or change direction appropriately. Remember, whether Jaggers ego is large or not... the people surrounding them are not going to invest all their time and all this money if it has a good chance at failing. Jagger will have to promote and fund the tour himself if he isn't willing to accept changes.  It's economics and as large as Jaggers ego is, and with all the clout the guy has which is immense, still he isnt going to persuade a promotion company and/or corporate sponsors to spend millions against their analysts better judgment.

*As far as Mick being interested. What I meant is the guy is certainly interested... but I agree as you said ...he'd stand behind not touring if he thought it would embarrass him or the band. He was too calculative and wisely reserved to risk a Stones endeavor in 86 and he's every bit as calculative today.



Ian

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jan 20th, 2011 at 10:12pm
Keith says a lot of stuff. But his influence over how the Stones do anything ended many years ago.

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by gimmekeef on Jan 21st, 2011 at 7:04am
Do we ever stop to think...that maybe they are just done with all the effort that goes into touring?..Man at their age with their tour legacy secured I'd be hard pressed to say.."yeah let's give it a go" unless there was a compelling reason to do so. i can't find one....50 years ??? not sure even that's enough

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by Gazza on Jan 21st, 2011 at 9:51am
I'm not suggesting a Stones tour would lose money, Ian - as long as they're being bankrolled up to their necks by corporate sponsors, thats never going to happen - but that it might not be the windfall that's massive enough to make them want to bother even risking it.

And to echo what scl and gimmekeef have just said, Keith's 'pronouncements' about the band's future altruistic intentions have become more empty and worthless with each succeeding year, and the argument that the entire band is really into doing all of this anymore isn't that convincing.

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by BILL PERKS on Jan 21st, 2011 at 11:17am
MY BELIEF IS MICK IS WAY MORE INTERESTED RIGHT NOW IN MAKING HIS PROJECT WITH SCORCESE WORK, RATHER THAN WORKING WITH KEITH.

IN HONOR OF THE 25TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE 86 NON TOUR.. THE STONES WILL NOT TOUR IN 2011.
ONE CAN MEDICATE ONES DEPRESSIONS BY PLAYING DIRTY WORK....LOUD !
:smilestu

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by Joey on Jan 21st, 2011 at 12:40pm
" IN HONOR OF THE 25TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE 86 NON TOUR.. THE STONES WILL NOT TOUR IN 2011.
ONE CAN MEDICATE ONES DEPRESSIONS BY PLAYING DIRTY WORK....LOUD !   "


Perks ......................................................................



I swear the Friggin GOD !!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by Gazza on Jan 21st, 2011 at 2:51pm

Joey wrote on Jan 21st, 2011 at 12:40pm:
" IN HONOR OF THE 25TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE 86 NON TOUR.. THE STONES WILL NOT TOUR IN 2011.
ONE CAN MEDICATE ONES DEPRESSIONS BY PLAYING DIRTY WORK....LOUD !   "


Perks ......................................................................



I swear the Friggin GOD !!!!!!!!



Joey...time for your walk....


Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by luxury on Jan 21st, 2011 at 3:33pm
apropos of nothing, but this week Howard Stern was trashing Keith's book, saying he tried to read it, cus he is a big fan of Keith's, but he found Keith so nasty to and jealous of Mick, that he just couldnt get through the book.

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by gimmekeef on Jan 21st, 2011 at 3:53pm

luxury wrote on Jan 21st, 2011 at 3:33pm:
apropos of nothing, but this week Howard Stern was trashing Keith's book, saying he tried to read it, cus he is a big fan of Keith's, but he found Keith so nasty to and jealous of Mick, that he just couldnt get through the book.

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and right after that Howard introduced a midget with Tourets to make fun of?

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jan 21st, 2011 at 3:59pm

gimmekeef wrote on Jan 21st, 2011 at 3:53pm:

luxury wrote on Jan 21st, 2011 at 3:33pm:
apropos of nothing, but this week Howard Stern was trashing Keith's book, saying he tried to read it, cus he is a big fan of Keith's, but he found Keith so nasty to and jealous of Mick, that he just couldnt get through the book.

...
and right after that Howard introduced a midget with Tourets to make fun of?

Exactly,Howard Stern no more mr mean guy. Bullshit. The most overrated ,undertalented piece of shit on the face of the earth......Although he is kind of right about Keith's book. But at least I managed to finish it and I doubt Howie actually paid for his copy.

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by Ian Billen on Jan 21st, 2011 at 5:50pm
[quote author=Gazza link=1295408951/25#45 date=1295625076]I'm not suggesting a Stones tour would lose money, Ian - as long as they're being bankrolled up to their necks by corporate sponsors, thats never going to happen - but that it might not be the windfall that's massive enough to make them want to bother even risking it.

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I know you weren't. I'm saying that the analysts and promoters would give the layout on what would probably make money and what very well may not and the tour route and structure would have to abide to what would most likely make money otherwise they wouldn't fund such a doomed jaunt is what I was trying to get across.  

And to echo what scl and gimmekeef have just said, Keith's 'pronouncements' about the band's future altruistic intentions have become more empty and worthless with each succeeding year, and the argument that the entire band is really into doing all of this anymore isn't that convincing.

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It's is convincing they want to do it to me. Why? Well...They are in talks about it. They do not need to fly in from wherever to say ..."I'm not into it this time guys". Kina as Bill Wyman didn't. No gathered meeting between Bill and The Stones was needed. One by one they tried to persuade him but as far as meetings go ... wasn't needed. Nor would it be needed this time if one of em or all of them didn't want to do it. Regardless... they would of quit already if they didn't want to continue doing this into their elder years. The Stones will tour until they can't anymore for one reason or another. Every tour we have people that say they probably aren't going to do it anymore or aren't that into it and every time look what we get... . That rap has been going on for decades... They would of lost interest already, or a long while back if they didn't have it in their blood. It's a challenge to them and they enjoy it and enjoy being The Rolling Stones. All of them say they are in talks of things to come concerning The Rolling Stones... what more can you say? They are not ready to retire yet.


Ian

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by gimmekeef on Jan 22nd, 2011 at 9:43am
Ian enjoy the kool aid....I hope you are right

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by BILL PERKS on Jan 22nd, 2011 at 9:57am
IAN BILLEN YOUR FAITH IS INSPIRING..INSPIRING ME TO READ ALL 1,000 PAGES OF THE JOEY THREAD !

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by Joey on Jan 22nd, 2011 at 11:00am
" Joey...time for your walk....   "


Gazza .................................


Just got off the phone with Jaxxy !!!!!!


She saw Maaca at the PCenter and is now ' hooked ' .


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Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by Joey on Jan 23rd, 2011 at 9:52am
" ..INSPIRING ME TO READ ALL 1,000 PAGES OF THE JOEY THREAD  ! "

!!!!!!!



Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by albert on Jan 24th, 2011 at 8:26am
I think I'll make a reservation in my agenda for august 2012 for Slane Castle.

Gazza, will you be there? Even if it's only 'greatest hits'?

grt,
Albert
Vietnam

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by Gazza on Jan 24th, 2011 at 10:29am
Pretty hard to resist a Stones show thats 80 miles down the road even if I dont like the venue, albert.

Especially when on the two occasions I've been there for the Stones, theyve been the only shows out of 47 where I was able to get home the same night. (And 43 of those shows have necessitated a plane journey (sometimes two) and/or a boat trip to see the gig!)

Dont think they'll play Slane again, though. The promoters try and vary the headline act around as much as they can. Plus, as the Irish economy is in the toilet and will be for the next few decades, a Stones gig there to 60,000 people would be a tough sell.

Title: Re: Charlie Watts announces his 2011 tour dates
Post by albert on Jan 25th, 2011 at 4:06am

Gazza wrote on Jan 24th, 2011 at 10:29am:
Pretty hard to resist a Stones show thats 80 miles down the road even if I dont like the venue, albert.

Especially when on the two occasions I've been there for the Stones, theyve been the only shows out of 47 where I was able to get home the same night. (And 43 of those shows have necessitated a plane journey (sometimes two) and/or a boat trip to see the gig!)

Dont think they'll play Slane again, though. The promoters try and vary the headline act around as much as they can. Plus, as the Irish economy is in the toilet and will be for the next few decades, a Stones gig there to 60,000 people would be a tough sell.


Well in that case; you're most welcome in Amsterdam in august 2011!

Grt,
Albert
Goodmorning Vietnam!!...........

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