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platter Ex Member	Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Reply #25 - Jul 29^th, 2009 at 4:50pm i looked into my crystal ball and it said the stones will play 2 giant stadium shows on their next world tour.
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Re: Is it fair to expect another tour?
Reply #28 - Jul 29^th, 2009 at 8:19pm

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Gazza wrote on Jul 29^th, 2009 at 7:33am:

Paranoid Android wrote on Jul 28^th, 2009 at 9:12pm:

These guys do need a break and like GAZZA said...play for themselves...let the people come to them...!!!

While I did say 'play for themselves' (ie play the music they want to play instead of feeling they have to pander to corporate blow-ins by playing hardly anything else but songs that EVERYONE has had ample chance to hear by now), I dont recall saying 'let the people come to them' and I do think that playing residencies in Las Vegas would be the final nail in their coffin in terms of credibility. If they're going to concentrate primarily on 'residencies' then do it in places like New York or London.

Gaaza NEVER said "let the people come to them"...that was me...since it was a "copy/paste" from another post...sorry there Dude!!!

Anyway...don't want Las Vegas? Cool...just a place where it is easy to take up residence...London...NYC...Whatever...as long as it is a stable place and the band can make gobs of millions and the REAL FANS can see them...I would go!!! I do think, even the STONES would set precedence as the first "GROUP" to do the Vegas thing...so far we have seen only solo acts...Celine D'mantis...Elton John (I think), PRINCE, Cher, ELVIS, and others I cannot recall...

I am NOT a fan of Las Vegas...but I would certainly go there for 2 Stones shows in a 5 day stay!!!

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left shoe shuffle Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 4,141	Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Reply #29 - Jul 29^th, 2009 at 8:28pm Stones wouldn't be the first group to have a "residency" in Vegas. Santana started theirs at The Joint a coupla months ago... Multiple nights in London, NY and/or Vegas do make sense, imo. Definitely a way to maximize $ for a smaller number of shows.
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Reply #31 - Jul 29^th, 2009 at 10:15pm

Well after much carfeful consideration...and a couple of beers. Here is what I think is the most plausible situation. Doing a residence or a few shows a year,just ain't gonna fly with the boys. After all these years,do you really think they want to approach a new business plan? I think not and honestly I think they're overall desire to tour has diminshed quite a bit. Yes,their are examples of acts who are older than the Stones still going at it. But as far as I know,they are almost all,solo acts. Try getting 3,4 guys in their mid to late sixties to try and get up the enthusiasm for many years of future touring. However,with all the rumours of a 2010 tour. I do think they will crank it up one more time. I don't think it will be a beat U2,set Gross record kind of tour. That would probably bomb. But a US arena tour focused on major markets charging market value between $100-$200 a ticket would probably do ok. Espicially if they have a fairly decent new archive release to use as an excuse to tour behind. Maybe in Europe they could do stadiums. But I really think it would probably be a one leg on each continent tour. Then probably just kind of silently fade away. Maybe the odd 1 off solo appearance here or there. I don't think they have the romanticism of a 50 licks tour that some have. But hey. It's been a pretty damn good ride no matter what happens. Thanks boys. You rock!

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Reply #32 - Jul 29^th, 2009 at 11:45pm

sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jul 29^th, 2009 at 10:15pm:

Well after much carfeful consideration...and a couple of beers. Here is what I think is the most plausible situation. Doing a residence or a few shows a year,just ain't gonna fly with the boys. After all these years,do you really think they want to approach a new business plan? I think not and honestly I think they're overall desire to tour has diminshed quite a bit. Yes,their are examples of acts who are older than the Stones still going at it. But as far as I know,they are almost all,solo acts. Try getting 3,4 guys in their mid to late sixties to try and get up the enthusiasm for many years of future touring. However,with all the rumours of a 2010 tour. I do think they will crank it up one more time. I don't think it will be a beat U2,set Gross record kind of tour. That would probably bomb. But a US arena tour focused on major markets charging market value between $100-$200 a ticket would probably do ok. Espicially if they have a fairly decent new archive release to use as an excuse to tour behind. Maybe in Europe they could do stadiums. But I really think it would probably be a one leg on each continent tour. Then probably just kind of silently fade away. Maybe the odd 1 off solo appearance here or there. I don't think they have the romanticism of a 50 licks tour that some have. But hey. It's been a pretty damn good ride no matter what happens. Thanks boys. You rock!

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Re: Is it fair to expect another tour?
Reply #34 - Jul 30^th, 2009 at 5:46am

Paranoid Android wrote on Jul 29^th, 2009 at 8:19pm:

DISCLAIMER...aka...APOLOGIES TO GAZZA!!!

Gazza wrote on Jul 29^th, 2009 at 7:33am:

Paranoid Android wrote on Jul 28^th, 2009 at 9:12pm:

These guys do need a break and like GAZZA said...play for themselves...let the people come to them...!!!

While I did say 'play for themselves' (ie play the music they want to play instead of feeling they have to pander to corporate blow-ins by playing hardly anything else but songs that EVERYONE has had ample chance to hear by now), I dont recall saying 'let the people come to them' and I do think that playing residencies in Las Vegas would be the final nail in their coffin in terms of credibility. If they're going to concentrate primarily on 'residencies' then do it in places like New York or London.

Gaaza NEVER said "let the people come to them"...that was me...since it was a "copy/paste" from another post...sorry there Dude!!!

Anyway...don't want Las Vegas? Cool...just a place where it is easy to take up residence...London...NYC...Whatever...as long as it is a stable place and the band can make gobs of millions and the REAL FANS can see them...I would go!!! I do think, even the STONES would set precedence as the first "GROUP" to do the Vegas thing...so far we have seen only solo acts...Celine D'mantis...Elton John (I think), PRINCE, Cher, ELVIS, and others I cannot recall...

I am NOT a fan of Las Vegas...but I would certainly go there for 2 Stones shows in a 5 day stay!!!

yep..Elton did sign up for a very long residency at a casino in Vegas, as did the others.

Prince's though was (as I recall) a series of weekend-only dates. Maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

The Elvis 'vegas years' thing is a bit of a myth, though. He did two one-month long residencies a year at the Hilton (two shows a night) from August 1969 - August 1974 and then a shorter run in Dec 1975 and Dec 1976. However, he still toured on a very regular basis throughout the rest of the US from 1970-1977 as well - he spent far more time on the road than he did in Las Vegas.

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platter Ex Member	Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Reply #35 - Jul 30^th, 2009 at 7:54pm this idea of you come to the stones is not such a bad idea really, but not just yet. i can see them doing several dates at the beacon and a few at a similuar place in london and, ok, la. my heart of hearts still says they have at least one more go around the world.
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AngieBlue Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 792 Gender:	Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Reply #36 - Jul 31^st, 2009 at 12:47am Is it fair to expect another tour? Good question. I'm sure every Stones fan has a complete list of reasons we would love to see our boys make one more go of it. So, from a fan standpoint that is fair. From the band's standpoint...only they can answer that one.
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Re: Is it fair to expect another tour?
Reply #38 - Jul 31^st, 2009 at 8:02am

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this idea of you come to the stones is not such a bad idea really, but not just yet. i can see them doing several dates at the beacon and a few at a similuar place in london and, ok, la. my heart of hearts still says they have at least one more go around the world.

the problem with somewhere like the Beacon - or other theatres - is that its all very well doing the occasional show there as a one-off or if theyre filming something - because they'll generate enough income from larger shows to override the lack of profits from it, but if they were going to play, say, 10 dates there, they're not going to even consider it unless they stand to make an absolute fortune because it would take them three weeks to play that many shows. You'd be looking at tickets being a minimum of $1,000 a head. Even the Stones would find it hard to shift 30,000 tickets anywhere at that price - factor in the cost of fans flying in for shows and staying in hotels, and thats a tougher sell than some might think.

Much more practical to play a similar amount of shows at an arena with an affordable price for everyone. 10 nights at Madison Square Garden instead with tickets at $100 would generate the same amount of money (it'd actually be more because you'd have 6-7 times as many people per show buying merchandise) - and there'd also be far more likelihood of fans going to multiple shows and filling the venue every night.

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Re: Is it fair to expect another tour?
Reply #39 - Jul 31^st, 2009 at 9:40am

Gazza wrote on Jul 31^st, 2009 at 8:02am:

the problem with somewhere like the Beacon - or other theatres - is that its all very well doing the occasional show there as a one-off or if theyre filming something - because they'll generate enough income from larger shows to override the lack of profits from it, but if they were going to play, say, 10 dates there, they're not going to even consider it unless they stand to make an absolute fortune because it would take them three weeks to play that many shows. You'd be looking at tickets being a minimum of $1,000 a head. Even the Stones would find it hard to shift 30,000 tickets anywhere at that price - factor in the cost of fans flying in for shows and staying in hotels, and thats a tougher sell than some might think.

Much more practical to play a similar amount of shows at an arena with an affordable price for everyone. 10 nights at Madison Square Garden instead with tickets at $100 would generate the same amount of money (it'd actually be more because you'd have 6-7 times as many people per show buying merchandise) - and there'd also be far more likelihood of fans going to multiple shows and filling the venue every night.

The Beacon wouldn't be as cost ineffective as you might think...

Look at the numbers from the Allman Brothers March run:
. March 9-28, 2009 at Beacon Theatre, New York, NY.

. Gross sales of $4,228,599 Ticket prices: $150.99, $100.99, $60.99

. Attendance: 41,831 Capacity: 41,831

. Number of shows: 15 Number of sell-out shows: 15

www.reuters.com/article/billboardCharts/idUSN2132454920090522

Of course the Stones are unlikely to get out of bed for a piddling 4 mil, but if they price tix at $250 - $100, they'd stand to turn a tidy profit.

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Re: Is it fair to expect another tour?
Reply #41 - Jul 31^st, 2009 at 10:13am

left shoe shuffle wrote on Jul 31^st, 2009 at 9:40am:

The Beacon wouldn't be as cost ineffective as you might think...

Look at the numbers from the Allman Brothers March run:
. March 9-28, 2009 at Beacon Theatre, New York, NY.

. Gross sales of $4,228,599 Ticket prices: $150.99, $100.99, $60.99

. Attendance: 41,831 Capacity: 41,831

. Number of shows: 15 Number of sell-out shows: 15

www.reuters.com/article/billboardCharts/idUSN2132454920090522

Of course the Stones are unlikely to get out of bed for a piddling 4 mil, but if they price tix at $250 - $100, they'd stand to turn a tidy profit.

Well thats precisely my point. Grossing $4 million in three weeks (remember, they dont do shows on successive nights)? Chicken feed compared to what they're used to. I doubt they'd even consider it for $10 million. On the last tour they grossed $550 million over about 145 shows - around $4 million per SHOW on average.

They're simply not going to play a run of theatre shows without there being another mega hike in prices. The main reason why they played so many stadium shows on the last tour (even though in many places they had to do some serious tarping and '2 for the price of 1' type gimmicks to fill seats) was because so many local promoters were reluctant to take the risk on putting their shows on in arenas because it wasnt going to be cost effective enough for them due to the Stones' enormous guarantees.

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left shoe shuffle Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 4,141	Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Reply #43 - Jul 31^st, 2009 at 2:21pm Gazza wrote on Jul 31^st, 2009 at 10:13am: They're simply not going to play a run of theatre shows without there being another mega hike in prices. Tickets for Santana at the 4000 seat Joint in Las Vegas are $51 - $1000. Think Cohl can pitch a Vegas run with those kinda numbers?
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Reply #44 - Jul 31^st, 2009 at 5:22pm

Gazza wrote on Jul 31^st, 2009 at 10:14am:

SweetVirginia wrote on Jul 31^st, 2009 at 10:06am:

Radio City Music Hall might me a better alternative.
Much larger house, but still great sound.

Nice big wide stage too.

the Its Only Rock N Rollettes 2010 Tour.

thats funny. a friend of mine caught the a bigger band show there and he said when it came time to roll out charlies drum kit they only had to roll it like 10 or so feet. i think they built mick a tiny run ramp of about the same lenght in front of the stage.

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Reply #45 - Jul 31^st, 2009 at 5:23pm

left shoe shuffle wrote on Jul 31^st, 2009 at 2:21pm:

Gazza wrote on Jul 31^st, 2009 at 10:13am:

They're simply not going to play a run of theatre shows without there being another mega hike in prices.

Tickets for Santana at the 4000 seat Joint in Las Vegas are $51 - $1000.

Think Cohl can pitch a Vegas run with those kinda numbers?

i wouldn't put it past him

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Gazza wrote on Jul 31^st, 2009 at 10:13am:

They're simply not going to play a run of theatre shows without there being another mega hike in prices.

Tickets for Santana at the 4000 seat Joint in Las Vegas are $51 - $1000.

Think Cohl can pitch a Vegas run with those kinda numbers?

i wouldn't put it past him

That would be a very modest price range for a Cohl-promoted Stones residency.

If the Stones were doing something like that, expect there to be a fair percentage of tickets in the $5-10k range.

If they can get away with that at a charity event at Radio City Music Hall like they did in 2006, you can be sure they'd try it at a series of small shows in a casino.

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Re: Is it fair to expect another tour?
Reply #47 - Jul 31^st, 2009 at 9:00pm

Gazza wrote on Jul 31^st, 2009 at 5:26pm:

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Gazza wrote on Jul 31^st, 2009 at 10:13am:

They're simply not going to play a run of theatre shows without there being another mega hike in prices.

Tickets for Santana at the 4000 seat Joint in Las Vegas are $51 - $1000.

Think Cohl can pitch a Vegas run with those kinda numbers?

i wouldn't put it past him

That would be a very modest price range for a Cohl-promoted Stones residency.

If the Stones were doing something like that, expect there to be a fair percentage of tickets in the $5-10k range.

If they can get away with that at a charity event at Radio City Music Hall like they did in 2006, you can be sure they'd try it at a series of small shows in a casino.

Well if they didn't have such a huge entourage that required about a 5 Mill payroll just to meet. Maybe some of this stuff would be semi reasonable. Roll Eyes

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Reply #48 - Jul 31^st, 2009 at 10:07pm

Back to Vegas for a minute...The MGM GRAND holds about 17K...I would love to see an arena type show...a small club would be AWESOME..which they could do as well at the MGM for a handful of nites...they have a 700 seat theater...but let them reside for a few months there...or MSG...Radio City...WHATEVER...

Just the fact that the band would not have to travel between shows...no 30 trucks, plus crew to transport every other night...they could still make their 4 million a nite PLUS...It could be in ANY city...even OMAHA...hell...I have never been to Nebraska...this would certainly tilt it for a very lucky city...consider it a ROCK n ROLL STIMULUS PACKAGE!!!

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Re: Is it fair to expect another tour?
Reply #49 - Aug 1^st, 2009 at 4:44am

Paranoid Android wrote on Jul 31^st, 2009 at 10:07pm:

Back to Vegas for a minute...The MGM GRAND holds about 17K...city...consider it a ROCK n ROLL STIMULUS PACKAGE!!!

Err, but the Stones are not a Vegas band – they are a London band who just happened to have it big stateside. If they were to do a series of shows anywhere, then it would have to be in the city where they were founded.

The glitz, tackiness and sheer bad taste of Vegas may suite Elton-and-co, but not The Rolling Stones.

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