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Title: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Paranoid Android on Jul 28th, 2009 at 9:12pm
Before we get all the knee-jerk reactions of "Fuck Yeah!!" and " Shit yeah You Dumb Fucker" (hey Tom!!)...I just was thinking...Jagger just turned 66 fucking years old!!! 66!!!...while Jagger is far from your average 66 year old pensioner...just take a look at the AVERAGE one around you...
If they were to embark on a tour next year (age 67) ...the rest of the band 63, 66, and 69...is really fair to expect a 2 year tour...or even a one year tour? I ask you that...IS IT FAIR TO ASK FOR / EXPECT ANOTHER TOUR??? As an alternative, I would present to you from an earlier post entitled "tour reinvented": ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RE-INVENT?!? I have said it before...recently as a matter of fact... PLAY VEGAS!!! 3 or 4 shows a week...have THEME nights...sell them as special theme nights...Who wouldn't want to see an EXILE NITE?!? A 70's nite?!/ An ER/SG/TY nite!!! a 69 and earlier nite?!? A RARITIES nite?!? an UNPLUGGED (mostly) nite?? All that mixed w/ a bunch of GREATEST HITS nites ( ok...that's for everyone else) Play LV for 3 or 4 months...get plenty of rest . massages, room service, champagne, between shows...no touring...no travel overhead w/ trucks/rigs, etc...and ALWAYS CLIMATE CONTROLLED (Hey Chicago!!!) These guys do need a break and like GAZZA said...play for themselves...let the people come to them...!!! That's a real REINVENTION...or INTERVENTION...LOL ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That was just an opinion about another tour...my original questions still stands... OKAY...let me have it...be nice, I am frail!!! |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by SweetVirginia on Jul 28th, 2009 at 9:25pm
They could tour again if they could stop thinking that they need to mount a giant stage show for giant stadiums. I wish Mick cared as much about their musical legacy as he does about grossing more $$$ than all other bands out on tour, but I don't think he does.
Your idea of playing a series of Vegas shows does sort of work on two levels-- 1. The payday would be substantial 2. Mick already has a ridiculous collection of sparkly jackets |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by mojoman on Jul 28th, 2009 at 9:27pm
a stones tour?
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Holden on Jul 28th, 2009 at 9:31pm
I'd go for that. :smile
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by LadyJane on Jul 28th, 2009 at 9:32pm
Crap shoot at this point from all that I have heard.
50/50 chance. I hope so, but I'm just not sure. That makes me sad. LJ. |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Riffhard on Jul 28th, 2009 at 9:42pm
50/50 I'd bet too. I'd also wager that Charlie is the biggest question mark of all. A run of one-offs maybe. A full blown out stadium tour/arena tour? I have my doubts.
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Boomy on Jul 28th, 2009 at 9:48pm
Screw the stadium gigs. Play arenas or clubs. DO NOT play ampitheatres as the sound usually sucks.
Or just open the VAULTS and give us some of dem jewels n' nuggets they gots. Damn it! |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by FotiniD on Jul 29th, 2009 at 2:10am
Well, if they don't do another tour, what does the -very near- future hold for the Stones?
Will they just let the years go by like that and fade into non-existence? Hold a press conference one day to tell us they quit? I just can't see this band doing that. It doesn't matter how old they are - keep in mind that for the last 10 years we've always had this conversation about how they're really old now, and way older than the previous time, and they'll be X years old by the end of the tour and so on. Yet they always come back. Now, even in my optimistic mind, I kind of think that when they get around to make this next tour, it might very well be the last one indeed. Unless they suddenly decide to do club gigs, which of course would be fantastic although not that likely... :wtf3 But I'm sure there's at least another big tour left for the Stones. |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Some Guy on Jul 29th, 2009 at 7:17am
They have something up their collective sleeves that will outdo U2, ain't going out like a bitch. and yes Mick is paying attention to U2.
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Gazza on Jul 29th, 2009 at 7:33am Paranoid Android wrote on Jul 28th, 2009 at 9:12pm:
While I did say 'play for themselves' (ie play the music they want to play instead of feeling they have to pander to corporate blow-ins by playing hardly anything else but songs that EVERYONE has had ample chance to hear by now), I dont recall saying 'let the people come to them' and I do think that playing residencies in Las Vegas would be the final nail in their coffin in terms of credibility. If they're going to concentrate primarily on 'residencies' then do it in places like New York or London. I feel something the same as what SV says above. They dont have to do mega tours to justify their continued existence. They did one which finished two years ago, and look at whats happened since - two years of absolutely nothing. If they're serious about still being a BAND instead of some corporate behemoth, then they could scale it back and go out on the road for a month at a time maybe three times a year and play 40-50 shows a year. Hardly a demanding pace. It doesnt have to be tied to the 'promotion' of a new release when you do that (a more honest way of doing it, as they dont promote new releases anyway - everyone knows that another stadium runaround will basically be "Licks Part Three Sponsored by insert name of corporate giant we've whored ourselves to this time" more than 'The (insert name of new album) Tour. Whether they should go on the road again is another issue. Retirement isnt really seen as an option and never has been, but from what I can see I doubt Keith & Ronnie still have it in them physically to cope with another long tour, and I would be surprised if Charlie wants to. The lack of activity or rumour in the last couple of years suggests to me they're not even that certain themselves where to go next. If anywhere. I'd personally like to see them tour again although from a purely musical perspective I'm not sure that they should (obviously its their right to play as long as they bloody well want and even if I have reservations about it, I know I'll go to a few shows. I'm a lifer. It's in the blood.). I enjoyed every one of the 13 shows I saw on the last tour - even though it was quite obvious that it wasnt as interesting a tour as before and that the performance levels of the two guitarists are becoming increasingly erratic. Making the shows more interesting is their choice alone - but age and physical deterioration aren't going to eradicate the latter issue - whilst part of me wants to see the band perform until they (or I) drop, another part of me doesnt want them to embark on one tour too many and descend into a travesty. We're not there yet, but for that reason I don't share the enthusiasm that some have in looking forward to a 50th anniversary tour in 2012. These days, wanting another tour from a band you've followed all your life is as much an admission that it's an excuse for an extension to your youth plus an excuse to renew acquaintances as anything else. I'm as guilty as anyone on that count. Musically, I'm more interested in seeing them open their vaults and do it well than I am in another tour of football stadiums where I have to spend a week's wages to look at a video screen and where I get misled, conned and treated with utter disdain by rs.con and Cohl. So surely shorter stretches of touring is more suitable for everyone. Everyone who's had a chance to see the Stones has done so in the last decade and with soaring ticket prices and the world economy having gone tits up, their sheer over-familiarity in recent years is going to eventually have a knock on affect on how marketable a tour will be unless they're very careful not to be too ambitious about it. Its really time for them to stop the juggernaut and scale down if they're still serious about continuing as a functioning band. They've done the mega tour thing to death and better than anyone else - there's got to be more important things than trying to outgross U2. Unfortunately from the Stones perspective - and in my eyes, that means Jagger & Cohl as Keith has basically abdicated responsibility in recent years as a songwriter and onstage musical director and settled for an easy ride - I'm not so sure that there is. |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by PartyDoll MEG on Jul 29th, 2009 at 9:35am
Jeez..
How do I have anything to add after Gazza's expose...or "Sermon on the Mount"??!! ;D ;) They are old and the last tour did put 2 of the players musical abilities into question. Lots of musicians continue playing into their old old age and some with lots of help for their "bad days"( i.e. Buddy Guy) . And I would love to see them on a much smaller scale, without the glitz, bells and whistles and playing the music THEY want to play. Van Morrison gets away with touring whenever and whereever he wants to and charging extraordinary prices for his shows. Keep the backup players and singers and why not follow his example..... Unfortunately.. I think $$$$$, egos and the inability to deal with reality are in the equation... (Keep the hope alive..) |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Joey on Jul 29th, 2009 at 9:51am
" I ask you that...IS IT FAIR TO ASK FOR / EXPECT ANOTHER TOUR??? "
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Saint Sway on Jul 29th, 2009 at 10:15am Some Guy wrote on Jul 29th, 2009 at 7:17am:
I have woken up with night sweats after horrid dreams of the Stones performing on a moving lobster tail. |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Gazza on Jul 29th, 2009 at 10:30am PartyDoll MEG wrote on Jul 29th, 2009 at 9:35am:
In fairness, Van doesnt charge extortionate prices for the most part. He certainly did for the 'Astral Weeks' shows he did when he performed with two different bands, but when he does his 'regular' shows over here at least, his prices are somewhat 'normal'. He does seem to be getting the arm in a bit more in recent years in some markets than he used to though, I'd agree. The Stones, however, have more money than God. They were worth a collective $1 billion at a 2008 estimate (ie, Sunday Times Rich List). I can totally understand it if they wanted to retire - 47 years is a long time to have a musical career - but failing that, I cant fathom the logic in someone with that degree of wealth ONLY agreeing to go on the road if they can be guaranteed to generate an amount of revenue that would match the annual GNP of half the countries in Africa. It doesn't make the argument that they do it primarily for a love of the music a particularly strong one. That said, it's not just about the money either, as they can't possibly get to the stage where they'll ever spend any of it even if they live to be 300. If anything, it's more a combination of ego and being at a stage in their lives where they don't really know what else to do. After all, they're in somewhat uncharted waters for a rock band in terms of longevity. |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by mojoman on Jul 29th, 2009 at 10:31am Saint Sway wrote on Jul 29th, 2009 at 10:15am:
red lobster was in negotiations as one of the tour underwriters, the concession for bibs will be a big money maker suprised they aren't being sold on rs.con yet |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Riffhard on Jul 29th, 2009 at 10:34am
I have heard that it all comes down to Chaz. Charlie has made it very clear that he has little interest in ever touring again. I heard this from a very reliable source, and it makes sense to me. I'm with Gazza here. The mega-stadium-Jagger/Cohl-ego-stroke tours are played out completely. I have zero interest in seeing another Giants Stadium show. That said, I would go in a second if they announced one, but give me a 24 show at The Beacon in NY, and then another 24 shows at Royal Albert Hall. Screw LA. Let those Cali types fly East. The Stones are a NYC/London band after all.
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Saint Sway on Jul 29th, 2009 at 10:43am
Riffy,
WTF are you doing in this thread???!!!??? Do you realize that the while you're lolly gagging about here discussing the Stones, that socialism is overtaking our nation by the Obamadrones in the Obama thread??? What are you thinking??? You better get back in that Obama thread with some long-winded cut and paste articles ..... or we'll become *gulp* Sweden |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Starbuck on Jul 29th, 2009 at 10:49am Saint Sway wrote on Jul 29th, 2009 at 10:43am:
go back and type that bigger, please. |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by PartyDoll MEG on Jul 29th, 2009 at 12:41pm Gazza wrote on Jul 29th, 2009 at 10:30am:
I was making the comparison to Van and Buddy-only in regards to being "old farts" and doing what they want in their golden years.... If the Stones (specifically thinking of Keith here) really don't know anything but the rock and roll life....well fuck get off your lazy rich arses and play some rock and roll... And if you don't really give a damn about it anymore.. Put us out of our misery... |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Bitch on Jul 29th, 2009 at 12:48pm
Reading all the posts on this thread, it's obvious the fans want more of The Stones and I have said this before, quoting KEEF from the Julliard 05 Press Conference, 'the band will continue to tour until one of us drops dead' (heaven forbid) OK they all enjoy performing live, its a huge rush, and their inflated egos enjoy the attention. Nothing but death will stop them, they just havent figured out what to do next. I heard opening Yankee Stadium's first concert was a possibility. Macca beat them to the punch opening Citi Field (Shea Stadium) so maybe that idea isnt exciting enough now. Michael Jackson had a good idea with selling out 50 shows at the O2 Dome in London. Too bad he was overdosed and comatose. Poor guy. THe idea behind it was let the fans travel to them instead of them traveling all over the world! Selling out 50 shows in NY or Vegas wouldnt be a problem either, and they can save money on travel expenses increasing their profit margin! It's less wear and tear on the body so Charlie might like the idea. Even 25 shows in selected large markets would be a good idea!
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Some Guy on Jul 29th, 2009 at 1:21pm
The Stones will reinvent Bustin' a move
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Bingo on Jul 29th, 2009 at 1:23pm
I got no expectations
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Some Guy on Jul 29th, 2009 at 1:25pm Bingo wrote on Jul 29th, 2009 at 1:23pm:
prepare for disappointment. |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Gazza on Jul 29th, 2009 at 2:07pm Bitch wrote on Jul 29th, 2009 at 12:48pm:
It will be if they keep charging people $450 upwards for a half decent ticket. Time was when the Stones could sell out a string of stadium and/or arena shows in places like New York, London or LA. They cant really do too many now unless (as was the case on the last tour) they 'stagger' the shows several months apart to allow the ticket buyer time to recover and buy tickets a second time. Michael Jackson's 50 shows were intended to be spread out from July 2009 to March 2010. Tickets were for the most part a quite reasonable £75. Additionally, he hadnt toured for over a decade. The Stones dont have the same mystique as theyve toured regularly in that time. Prince is hardly in the same league as a concert draw as the Stones or Jacko yet pretty much managed to sell out his 21 02 shows in 2007 - he did so due to good promotion, the shows taking place over a period of two months - plus the fact that the tickets were only £31.21. No act currently active could sell out 50 arena shows at one venue even at the price Michael Jackson was charging anywhere in the world - even if they werent playing anywhere else. The only acts who could do so would be a reunited Led Zeppelin or ABBA (and the latter probably couldnt in the US)- and in the case of both of those acts, its primarily because not only do they sell far more records than the Stones but because they havent toured in three decades and there are a couple of generations of potential fans who have never seen them. |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jul 29th, 2009 at 2:10pm Bitch wrote on Jul 29th, 2009 at 12:48pm:
How about if they start with 1 somewhere,anywhere. Then take it from there. |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by platter on Jul 29th, 2009 at 4:50pm
i looked into my crystal ball and it said the stones will play 2 giant stadium shows on their next world tour.
:wtf1 |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by left shoe shuffle on Jul 29th, 2009 at 4:53pm Did that crystal ball show you actually attending those shows, or just watching the YouTubes? |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by platter on Jul 29th, 2009 at 5:03pm
both
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Paranoid Android on Jul 29th, 2009 at 8:19pm DISCLAIMER...aka...APOLOGIES TO GAZZA!!! Gazza wrote on Jul 29th, 2009 at 7:33am:
Gaaza NEVER said "let the people come to them"...that was me...since it was a "copy/paste" from another post...sorry there Dude!!! Anyway...don't want Las Vegas? Cool...just a place where it is easy to take up residence...London...NYC...Whatever...as long as it is a stable place and the band can make gobs of millions and the REAL FANS can see them...I would go!!! I do think, even the STONES would set precedence as the first "GROUP" to do the Vegas thing...so far we have seen only solo acts...Celine D'mantis...Elton John (I think), PRINCE, Cher, ELVIS, and others I cannot recall... I am NOT a fan of Las Vegas...but I would certainly go there for 2 Stones shows in a 5 day stay!!! |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by left shoe shuffle on Jul 29th, 2009 at 8:28pm Stones wouldn't be the first group to have a "residency" in Vegas. Santana started theirs at The Joint a coupla months ago... Multiple nights in London, NY and/or Vegas do make sense, imo. Definitely a way to maximize $ for a smaller number of shows. |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Paranoid Android on Jul 29th, 2009 at 9:43pm
I stand corrected!!!
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jul 29th, 2009 at 10:15pm
Well after much carfeful consideration...and a couple of beers. Here is what I think is the most plausible situation. Doing a residence or a few shows a year,just ain't gonna fly with the boys. After all these years,do you really think they want to approach a new business plan? I think not and honestly I think they're overall desire to tour has diminshed quite a bit. Yes,their are examples of acts who are older than the Stones still going at it. But as far as I know,they are almost all,solo acts. Try getting 3,4 guys in their mid to late sixties to try and get up the enthusiasm for many years of future touring. However,with all the rumours of a 2010 tour. I do think they will crank it up one more time. I don't think it will be a beat U2,set Gross record kind of tour. That would probably bomb. But a US arena tour focused on major markets charging market value between $100-$200 a ticket would probably do ok. Espicially if they have a fairly decent new archive release to use as an excuse to tour behind. Maybe in Europe they could do stadiums. But I really think it would probably be a one leg on each continent tour. Then probably just kind of silently fade away. Maybe the odd 1 off solo appearance here or there. I don't think they have the romanticism of a 50 licks tour that some have. But hey. It's been a pretty damn good ride no matter what happens. Thanks boys. :keithpunky :booze :willya
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by mojoman on Jul 29th, 2009 at 11:45pm sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jul 29th, 2009 at 10:15pm:
Well love is love and not fade away Well love is love and not fade away Well love is love and not fade away Love, love is love and not fade away Not fade away Not fade away ...................................... :Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by FotiniD on Jul 30th, 2009 at 2:58am
Tsk tsk tsk... Thinking the Stones will never tour again and even considering their Vegas options... :pukey What has this world / board come to?!?!?
I'll be very, very glad to post in huge bold fonts "I told you so" when the next big Stones tour embarks and we're all fighting about setlists :keithpunky :booze |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Gazza on Jul 30th, 2009 at 5:46am Paranoid Android wrote on Jul 29th, 2009 at 8:19pm:
yep..Elton did sign up for a very long residency at a casino in Vegas, as did the others. Prince's though was (as I recall) a series of weekend-only dates. Maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong. The Elvis 'vegas years' thing is a bit of a myth, though. He did two one-month long residencies a year at the Hilton (two shows a night) from August 1969 - August 1974 and then a shorter run in Dec 1975 and Dec 1976. However, he still toured on a very regular basis throughout the rest of the US from 1970-1977 as well - he spent far more time on the road than he did in Las Vegas. |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by platter on Jul 30th, 2009 at 7:54pm
this idea of you come to the stones is not such a bad idea really, but not just yet. i can see them doing several dates at the beacon and a few at a similuar place in london and, ok, la. my heart of hearts still says they have at least one more go around the world.
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by AngieBlue on Jul 31st, 2009 at 12:47am
Is it fair to expect another tour? Good question. I'm sure every Stones fan has a complete list of reasons we would love to see our boys make one more go of it. So, from a fan standpoint that is fair. From the band's standpoint...only they can answer that one.
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Mel Belli on Jul 31st, 2009 at 7:00am wrote on Jul 29th, 2009 at 4:50pm:
Your crystal ball must be cracked, because Giants is getting demo'd next year. |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Gazza on Jul 31st, 2009 at 8:02am wrote on Jul 30th, 2009 at 7:54pm:
the problem with somewhere like the Beacon - or other theatres - is that its all very well doing the occasional show there as a one-off or if theyre filming something - because they'll generate enough income from larger shows to override the lack of profits from it, but if they were going to play, say, 10 dates there, they're not going to even consider it unless they stand to make an absolute fortune because it would take them three weeks to play that many shows. You'd be looking at tickets being a minimum of $1,000 a head. Even the Stones would find it hard to shift 30,000 tickets anywhere at that price - factor in the cost of fans flying in for shows and staying in hotels, and thats a tougher sell than some might think. Much more practical to play a similar amount of shows at an arena with an affordable price for everyone. 10 nights at Madison Square Garden instead with tickets at $100 would generate the same amount of money (it'd actually be more because you'd have 6-7 times as many people per show buying merchandise) - and there'd also be far more likelihood of fans going to multiple shows and filling the venue every night. |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by left shoe shuffle on Jul 31st, 2009 at 9:40am Gazza wrote on Jul 31st, 2009 at 8:02am:
The Beacon wouldn't be as cost ineffective as you might think... Look at the numbers from the Allman Brothers March run: . March 9-28, 2009 at Beacon Theatre, New York, NY. . Gross sales of $4,228,599 Ticket prices: $150.99, $100.99, $60.99 . Attendance: 41,831 Capacity: 41,831 . Number of shows: 15 Number of sell-out shows: 15 www.reuters.com/article/billboardCharts/idUSN2132454920090522 Of course the Stones are unlikely to get out of bed for a piddling 4 mil, but if they price tix at $250 - $100, they'd stand to turn a tidy profit. |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by SweetVirginia on Jul 31st, 2009 at 10:06am
Radio City Music Hall might me a better alternative.
Much larger house, but still great sound. |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Gazza on Jul 31st, 2009 at 10:13am left shoe shuffle wrote on Jul 31st, 2009 at 9:40am:
Well thats precisely my point. Grossing $4 million in three weeks (remember, they dont do shows on successive nights)? Chicken feed compared to what they're used to. I doubt they'd even consider it for $10 million. On the last tour they grossed $550 million over about 145 shows - around $4 million per SHOW on average. They're simply not going to play a run of theatre shows without there being another mega hike in prices. The main reason why they played so many stadium shows on the last tour (even though in many places they had to do some serious tarping and '2 for the price of 1' type gimmicks to fill seats) was because so many local promoters were reluctant to take the risk on putting their shows on in arenas because it wasnt going to be cost effective enough for them due to the Stones' enormous guarantees. |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Gazza on Jul 31st, 2009 at 10:14am SweetVirginia wrote on Jul 31st, 2009 at 10:06am:
Nice big wide stage too. the Its Only Rock N Rollettes 2010 Tour. |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by left shoe shuffle on Jul 31st, 2009 at 2:21pm Gazza wrote on Jul 31st, 2009 at 10:13am:
Tickets for Santana at the 4000 seat Joint in Las Vegas are $51 - $1000. Think Cohl can pitch a Vegas run with those kinda numbers? |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by platter on Jul 31st, 2009 at 5:22pm Gazza wrote on Jul 31st, 2009 at 10:14am:
thats funny. a friend of mine caught the a bigger band show there and he said when it came time to roll out charlies drum kit they only had to roll it like 10 or so feet. i think they built mick a tiny run ramp of about the same lenght in front of the stage. |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by platter on Jul 31st, 2009 at 5:23pm left shoe shuffle wrote on Jul 31st, 2009 at 2:21pm:
i wouldn't put it past him |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Gazza on Jul 31st, 2009 at 5:26pm wrote on Jul 31st, 2009 at 5:23pm:
That would be a very modest price range for a Cohl-promoted Stones residency. If the Stones were doing something like that, expect there to be a fair percentage of tickets in the $5-10k range. If they can get away with that at a charity event at Radio City Music Hall like they did in 2006, you can be sure they'd try it at a series of small shows in a casino. |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by sweetcharmedlife on Jul 31st, 2009 at 9:00pm Gazza wrote on Jul 31st, 2009 at 5:26pm:
Well if they didn't have such a huge entourage that required about a 5 Mill payroll just to meet. Maybe some of this stuff would be semi reasonable. ::) |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Paranoid Android on Jul 31st, 2009 at 10:07pm
Back to Vegas for a minute...The MGM GRAND holds about 17K...I would love to see an arena type show...a small club would be AWESOME..which they could do as well at the MGM for a handful of nites...they have a 700 seat theater...but let them reside for a few months there...or MSG...Radio City...WHATEVER...
Just the fact that the band would not have to travel between shows...no 30 trucks, plus crew to transport every other night...they could still make their 4 million a nite PLUS...It could be in ANY city...even OMAHA...hell...I have never been to Nebraska...this would certainly tilt it for a very lucky city...consider it a ROCK n ROLL STIMULUS PACKAGE!!! |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Honky Tonk Man on Aug 1st, 2009 at 4:44am Paranoid Android wrote on Jul 31st, 2009 at 10:07pm:
Err, but the Stones are not a Vegas band – they are a London band who just happened to have it big stateside. If they were to do a series of shows anywhere, then it would have to be in the city where they were founded. The glitz, tackiness and sheer bad taste of Vegas may suite Elton-and-co, but not The Rolling Stones. |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Boomy on Aug 1st, 2009 at 7:16am Honky Tonk Man wrote on Aug 1st, 2009 at 4:44am:
If they want to do "residencies" I suggest towns like Butte, Omaha and Boise. You know, places where they can get massive attendance. |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Boomy on Aug 1st, 2009 at 7:23am
Seriously, though. Can't they just scale it back and still travel around the world? I know in some parts of the world they might have to play a stadium gig but not in the States and the majority of Europe.
I mean, the arena shows were just so much better on "Licks" and ABB (at least from my point of view). Better sound, more intimate (or as intimate as possible). Eh, whatever..... :pullanolte |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by homesickjameswilliamson on Aug 1st, 2009 at 7:33am stones arent a vegas band as some one has said, and i have to agree, and considering their age, as someone else posted, 62 - 69 i think it was, this is most likely going to be the last 'big' one, if not the last one altogether ive been trying to think of what they can do - although the thread title; is is fair to expect another tour? has been getting me thinking, just because we're fans doesnt mean we deserve them to go through the shitty stuff of a tour, granted the playing to thousands every night is a plus side, there are alot of bad things to go through but ive been thinking of what they can do,i read recently that the whole U2 360 thing hasnt been doing too well, critically, so i think that'll free up the ego thing, as in theres no competition if bigger bang was the last great 'giant' tour kinda thing but ive been thinking of a residency kinda thing for the stones, and it doesnt work, but ive also been thinking alone the lines of a long tour, more like two or three medium to large tours wrapped together as the big ''farewell'' tour, but i cant see this happening because the stones dont want to finalise anything, theyre not that kinda band, i dont think their egos, and rightly so, could say, "yeh thats it, 50 years, we're done" - i think theyd rather leave all the fans desperately wanting another tour until one of them passes, that'll be the only end; as keith has said. but if been thinking of a blend of the two almost, as in, they play short residencies, say three to five gigs, in one place in one town, for example say 5 nights in london then 3 nights in scotland or northern england, the threen nights at the 02 arena in dublin, or croke park or something, then over to the equivalent in barcelona or madrid, or both, then paris etc etc, and it would be a 'come to them' situation, in large enough venues, but in different countries, as a large farewell tour, not explicitly known as the farewell tour - as they've taglined the last couple tours - but just a general consensus of this is the last one and it would be a world tour, would be long im sure, like ive said almost like two or three tours, kinda like ABB with a two leg tour thing, maybe three or four years something like that i can imagine, but i dont know if its feasible, or if they'd want to do it, but ABB was huge, they maybe able to top U2, but can they top themselves? also, i was wondering, wouldn't universal also be expecting a tour, i mean they wouldnt take them over without a tour, do they make money from tours? |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Pdog on Aug 1st, 2009 at 8:07am
i have no expectations and no desire to see them again... they quality decreased to the point where what it costs is not worth what I pay... if I expect more, then I will be dissapointed... I'll just see what happens and not think too much about it... I'm more in to their retrospective carrer and hoping for vault releases... that's where my expectations and let downs reside.
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by speedfreakjive on Aug 1st, 2009 at 9:53am Pdog wrote on Aug 1st, 2009 at 8:07am:
I agree, i'm not often one to look to the past, and not the future, but they should retire and keep their dignity (or whats left of it) |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Gazza on Aug 1st, 2009 at 12:05pm homesickjameswilliamson wrote on Aug 1st, 2009 at 7:33am:
The term 'Vegas act' is as much a state of mind as it is geographical. |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Riffhard on Aug 1st, 2009 at 12:37pm
I am of the mind that the best of both worlds would be a massive release of the vaults followed by an extended engagement at some venue in NYC, London, and then perhaps some other European city, and maybe Oz.
I still say that the one sticking point is going to be Charlie. He is the one that holds the Stones' touring future in check. If he says go then they go. If he says no, then we are going to be faced with the possibility of a tour with Charlie Drayton, or some other drummer behind the kit. I for one, would love to see them release the vaults and then do a long goodbye via these extended engagments with Charlie. No Charlie, no Stones imho. Riffy |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by homesickjameswilliamson on Aug 1st, 2009 at 2:45pm Quote:
i meant state of mind, though both are applicable, although i dont think they're ones to stick to one venue too long, hence the name, rolling stones yeh, hope charlie decides to do one, although its probably not all resting on him, but im sure a bit of it is his dislike for touring, and health issues maybe, and age though the stones without charlie are not the stones, well at least they're the stones but missing a HUGE piece, he's probably the only person you couldn't take out of the band |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Gazza on Aug 1st, 2009 at 3:22pm homesickjameswilliamson wrote on Aug 1st, 2009 at 2:45pm:
I dont think the band name means much at this point, do you? It was a catchy name for a blues band when they first thought of it - but the Stones now are a million light years from the blues evangelists that they were in 1962. Shit, they dont even PLAY blues songs at most of their shows now, and a sizeable portion of their audience would probably be yawning or heading to the merchandise stand if they did. Quote:
The ONLY one? Whilst I think the world of the man and wouldnt be remotely interested in seeing the Stones without him, I think its a stretch to claim that he's more indispensable than Mick or Keith. |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by homesickjameswilliamson on Aug 1st, 2009 at 10:12pm Quote:
i know what you mean, i was playing a compilation i made of their 60s stuff, ABKCO stuff, and its astounding, every time i listen to it cant believe they even wanted to do something different, i mean, i know they went on to beggars etc, but the 60s stuff is phenomenal, i wish they'd do some of that in the future Quote:
i meant in terms of playing, keith, if we can be honest, isnt the greatest guitarist, anymore, Ronnie's still a good guitarist, and of course mick jagger's mick jagger, but charlie can still play and i think even if you ask the guys themselves the one person they couldnt/wouldnt want to be without - its charlie although, they're such a tight band, even visually for non fans and fans alike, and musically that i dont think its possible to take one of them out, so its kind of a moot point anyway |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Honky Tonk Man on Aug 2nd, 2009 at 7:10am
IMO, the Stones would have toured without Ronnie a decade ago, but if anyone were to bail out now, then it would be curtains for the band.
As for Charlie: no Charlie, no Rolling Stones |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by lavendar on Aug 2nd, 2009 at 4:23pm
All the stones have to do is change it UP a LIL
Ya know we All LOVE Ya soooooo just PLAY what ya Wanna....... |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Some Guy on Aug 2nd, 2009 at 5:13pm
What if the vaults ain't all that?
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by sweetcharmedlife on Aug 2nd, 2009 at 9:18pm Some Guy wrote on Aug 2nd, 2009 at 5:13pm:
W,w,w,w,w,w,whh,WHHHAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTT. But they HAVE to be all that. Everybody says so. :wtf2 |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Pdog on Aug 2nd, 2009 at 9:25pm Some Guy wrote on Aug 2nd, 2009 at 5:13pm:
There's good stuff in the vaults from all eras of the band. There's a dif mix of Sway from the single, a dif mix of all down the line from the single, I think I'm going mad from a single, the 8 track versions from Some Girls, a ready to be released version of Drift Away that was puled back b/c someone else was releasing the same song... There's a 12 inch version of something from the 80's never released in the CD, I'm spacing on... I'm missing some other stuff too... and the countless tons of stuff we've heard on boots... there's master tapes and mixes of alot of that stuff... this is just off my head right before bed... |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by nankerphelge on Aug 3rd, 2009 at 7:58am
I was driving around yesterday and a local radio station here said that the Stones are gearing up for another tour.
Didn't give specifics or cite any sources, but it sounded as if they had some new information. :areyoufuckingserious |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Paranoid Android on Aug 3rd, 2009 at 1:23pm nankerphelge wrote on Aug 3rd, 2009 at 7:58am:
Then...did you listen to the entire 20 min commercial break leading up to the update ?!? LOL |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Gazza on Aug 3rd, 2009 at 1:33pm Some Guy wrote on Aug 2nd, 2009 at 5:13pm:
In terms of unreleased gems, whats been circulated would suggest there's nothing sensational - but its a bit unfeasible to think that there arent great alternate takes/mixes of the likes of Gimme Shelter, Sympathy et al that we havent heard before. Not to mention the fact that pretty much every Stones show since the early 70's has (apparently) been recorded by their sound crew. |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Paranoid Android on Aug 3rd, 2009 at 9:32pm Gazza wrote on Aug 3rd, 2009 at 1:33pm:
If that is true...they should hand them over to the GRATEFUL DEAD folks who have done wonders w/ their vaults...ex/ they have figured out that on consecutive nights, monitors/speakers were about 12 inches further apart than the nite before...I am sure these days any sound engineer could figure that ( I assume...i know nothing about teat aspect of it)...but who knows...ANY clear sounding show that captures a tour is most certainly welcome in my home...just wish there were more GEMS throughout a tour...other than " ooooooo, they played "Sweet Virginia in Charlottesville"...again...ala GD... MAN, I wish they would play FINGERPRINT FILE in DC!!! NOW THAT WOULD BE A GEM!!! |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Bitch on Aug 3rd, 2009 at 9:51pm
I'll tell ya, the reason I go to so many Stones tribute band gigs is because they give us the dream setlists that the Stones dont give us. And it's fun. Not a substitute, just a little Stones groovin. Gotta appreciate the tribute bands who do a great job playing the rarities. I even heard Sweet Neocon, which is not one of my favorites but when I heard it live, it really rocked! 3 nights of tribute bands in Wildwood coming up soon and I'm really looking forward to that! Labor Day Shidoobee weekend 10th anniversary. 3 days and nights of Stones hilarity. ;D
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Boomy on Aug 4th, 2009 at 7:53am Bitch wrote on Aug 3rd, 2009 at 9:51pm:
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Egon on Aug 4th, 2009 at 8:59am
If they DO tour again, i won't be going to see them.
Oh no wait; i will... Like the little bitch i am :forfucksake |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Paranoid Android on Aug 4th, 2009 at 8:43pm Bitch wrote on Aug 3rd, 2009 at 9:51pm:
Thats a pretty interesting take on a tribute band...they are so often regarded as tacky and well...frustrated wanna-bes... makes me think twice...maybe a show soon is due?!? Do you have 1 or 2 favorites? i know the Blushing Brides are a SHIDOOBEE fave... |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Bitch on Aug 5th, 2009 at 9:31pm
Satisfaction is the best of the tribute bands, by far. They play the Stones better than the Stones themselves! They got it down ~ line by line, note by note, each song is perfect and played with enthusiasm and raw talent. The Rolling Stones never perform a perfect show ~ missed chords, sour notes, goofed up lyrics, etc. Yet that is exactly why I love the STONES so much, they keep on rolling over those little inconsistncies! Also, Rocks Off and Shidoobee are both filled with Stones-loving men and women. I have alot of friends on Shidoobee because alot of them are located in the NE USA so we party together at these tribute gigs. People drive a few hours just to go to a tribute band!
Satisfaction are the most talented musically. Shattered also rock your socks off. The GLimmer Twins are great fun. Hot Rocks gives the dream setlists. Mike Hunt Band has a female MICK & KEEF, and they play albums in there entirety which is cool. Blushing Brides also have alot of talent and . Rolling Tones are great and play 3 very nice sets, go from old to new material Stoners the name says it all |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Paranoid Android on Aug 5th, 2009 at 10:35pm Bitch wrote on Aug 5th, 2009 at 9:31pm:
WHAT A FANTASTIC RUN DOWN!!! An invaluable resource for many on these boards, i am sure!!! THANKS BITCH!!! :keithpunky |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by lavendar on Aug 6th, 2009 at 7:16am
"Is it fair to expect another tour? "
YES. |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Gazza on Aug 10th, 2009 at 6:12am Riffhard wrote on Aug 1st, 2009 at 12:37pm:
Charlie & Shirley Watts are in Poland at the minute - as they often are at this time of year - at an auction for Arab stallions. A poster on IORR met him yesterday and asked him about a Stones tour. Charlie replied that the "next tour will be probably next year". as I mentioned in the 'where is our tour' thread, a Dutch Tv channel last week mentioned plans to play in Amsterdam next summer. This band isn't going away quietly for a while yet. |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by SweetVirginia on Aug 10th, 2009 at 6:17am
Yes!
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Heart Of Stone on Aug 10th, 2009 at 6:33am
Good News!
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by LadyJane on Aug 10th, 2009 at 6:43am
"Charlie replied that the "next tour will be probably next year".
"Charlie replied that the "next tour will be probably next year". "Charlie replied that the "next tour will be probably next year". BRING IT ON!! :areyoufuckingserious :aimama :wtf2 :wtf1 LJ. |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Joey on Aug 10th, 2009 at 9:35am
" This band isn't going away quietly for a while yet. "
I am now so excited that I am typing this with me nipples , penis , fingers and toes ........... all at the same TIME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by sweetcharmedlife on Aug 10th, 2009 at 9:43am
Where else do you get Stones news than at an Arabian horse sale in Poland :-?......A tour we want,a tour we shall have. :willya
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Title: Re: TOTW 2010 Post by left shoe shuffle on Aug 10th, 2009 at 10:28am :areyoufuckingserious Looks like he and the missus bought themselves a fine Arab charger in Poland... |
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Title: Re: TOTW 2010 Post by Gazza on Aug 10th, 2009 at 10:47am left shoe shuffle wrote on Aug 10th, 2009 at 10:28am:
For anyone who's wanting to buy an Arabian stallion, this is Charlie and Shirley's site : http://www.halsdonarabians.com/index.htm |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by sweetcharmedlife on Aug 10th, 2009 at 10:51am Joey wrote on Aug 10th, 2009 at 10:46am:
Joey,that would'nt be a bad place for the boys to play. :warhorse |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Joey on Aug 10th, 2009 at 11:04am " Joey,that would'nt be a bad place for the boys to play. " Sweet Charmed Life ....................... Never again will I see another concert with you due to the fact that you CONSTANTLY keep getting " Nokia'd " . Word . W- What ?! ...... oh , sure !!!!! : HERE ya go : !!!! |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Some Guy on Aug 10th, 2009 at 11:52am
Joey, some thing big is happening, the Stones are getting poised, poised I tell ya!
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Joey on Aug 10th, 2009 at 1:14pm
" Charlie replied that the "next tour will be probably next year".
as I mentioned in the 'where is our tour' thread, a Dutch Tv channel last week mentioned plans to play in Amsterdam next summer. This band isn't going away quietly for a while yet. " !!!!! |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by sweetcharmedlife on Aug 10th, 2009 at 2:01pm Joey wrote on Aug 10th, 2009 at 12:55pm:
No Yes maybe Absafrigginlutely :kissmyass |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Some Guy on Aug 10th, 2009 at 3:58pm Joey wrote on Aug 10th, 2009 at 12:55pm:
There gonna fuck up my park, Ronnie. Oh, I'll be watching! Best Tiger yet! I'm crowning over here. |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by andrews27 on Aug 10th, 2009 at 7:17pm
I DISAGREE. ONLY DEATH CAN STOP IT. THERE WILL BE ONE MORE. :smilestu
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Gimme Shelter on Aug 10th, 2009 at 8:01pm
RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :areyoufuckingserious :wtf2
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Moonisup on Aug 11th, 2009 at 4:23am
Well I hope that the stones won't make a big stadium tour this time, and try to outgross u2, because I think they will have a hard time selling out, certainly in Europe!
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Saint Sway on Aug 11th, 2009 at 1:38pm nankerphelge wrote on Aug 3rd, 2009 at 7:58am:
I am so excited I'm typing with my maxed out credit cards |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by FotiniD on Aug 12th, 2009 at 4:06am
I just knew it ;) Thanks for the fantastic news Mr. Watts :-*
And straight from the horse's mouth, lol :blankfriggingstare1 :Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Ade on Aug 12th, 2009 at 4:49am Joey wrote on Aug 10th, 2009 at 1:14pm:
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by LanternHigh on Aug 12th, 2009 at 4:52am Ade wrote on Aug 12th, 2009 at 4:49am:
Thanks for the info wow I quote "bono will not be happy"... for sure :Youmakeagrownmancrylikejoey |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Joey on Aug 12th, 2009 at 8:59am
" Well I hope that the stones won't make a big stadium tour this time, and try to outgross u2, because I think they will have a hard time selling out, certainly in Europe ! "
RIP ABB GROSS !!!!! ( 2005- 2009 ) . Nice . |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Ade on Aug 12th, 2009 at 9:07am
which shows will you be attending, Joeykins?? :areyoufuckingserious
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Joey on Aug 12th, 2009 at 9:22am
" which shows will you be attending, Joeykins?? "
Hello Ade !!!!!!! " The CLAW " scares the heck out of me : Univ. of Phoenix Stadium Phoenix AZ US Black Eyed Peas SOLD OUT TICKETS http://www.u2.com/tour/index/ I remain ...... forever ....... your Joey ! |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Ian Billen on Aug 12th, 2009 at 9:37pm Gazza wrote on Aug 10th, 2009 at 6:12am:
_____________________________________ True that. They have no plans on retiring at the moment. Nor do they "plan" a retirement time frame from what they have personally stated in recent interviews and meetings with fans. It is business as usual until one of them cannot play (heck, even with Charlie and his throat cancer, whew ....by the way and a huge sigh of relief with that one.... and shaky future around the time of the ABB recording sessions The rest of The Stones discussed things and agreed to carry on). It is August. You would think Mick and Keith would be at least writing for it by now if they plan on releasing a new album next summer or fall. Unless they have some in the bag to include to the heap which could make the time constraint less than normal if that is the case... It is August. Normally Mick and Keith would be at least at it by now. Makes you ponder what is occurring between those two. They haven't been spotted Nor has anyone heard of them together lately or any time fairly recently. Ian |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Gazza on Aug 13th, 2009 at 6:12am
They live on different continents, Ian. They dont socialise together and any writing they do is (with a few exceptions when they take themselves away for a period before making a record to bounce what they have off each other) agenerally done separately. Thats pretty much hows its been for most of the last few decades.
As neither of them have released a note of recorded music in the last four years - as a band or solo - I would think its a safe enough bet that they've at least done some sporadic bouts of writing or demoing songs in their respective home studios in that time. Jagger not having done a solo record since ABB may actually be a good thing as it could mean that any writing he's done is more likely to be channelled towards 'Stones music' than his solo stuff. With one exception, every Stones album since 1983 has been followed by a Jagger solo release before the band made another record - often to the detriment of the Stones album that followed (ie he contributed little to Dirty Work and Voodoo Lounge could have been an even better album than it was had some of the material for Wandering Spirit (and even Main Offender) been used for it). The only time the Stones have done two back to back studio albums since Tattoo You-Undercover was Voodoo Lounge-Bridges To Babylon, and even then the songs for BTB were originally written for projected solo albums. |
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Title: Re: Is it fair to expect another tour? Post by Ian Billen on Aug 13th, 2009 at 10:53pm Gazza wrote on Aug 13th, 2009 at 6:12am:
______________________________ *The good news here is that solo albums are pretty much out of the question by now at this late time if they are going to tour next year we'd think. A STONES album is almost surely on plans baby! Ian |
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