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Jan 11th, 2009 at 8:16pm
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FINALLY the Jack Bauer Power Hour returns to Fox.
Any fans???

A much more mellower first hour.
Took 75 minutes for me to have my first anxiety attack.

If you have never watched this show, give it a shot.
No need to know any history as each Season pretty much stands alone.

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Reply #1 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 8:46pm
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This is a show so vile in its promotion of unlawful torture of suspects (usually Muslim), and so popular among West Point cadets that many of them believe (despite contrary facts being provided by their professors) that such techniques are both acceptable and effective (they are neither) that the U. S. Military Academy has asked "Bauer" to come to the school and tell the cadets not to follow his criminal example.
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LadyJane wrote on Jan 11th, 2009 at 8:16pm:
FINALLY the Jack Bauer Power Hour returns to Fox.
Any fans???

A much more mellower first hour.
Took 75 minutes for me to have my first anxiety attack.

If you have never watched this show, give it a shot.
No need to know any history as each Season pretty much stands alone.

LJ.

I've recorded it & will watch it tomorrow. It's scary how some would try to mess with the ATC system. And the US gov't generally. I hope we see many tortured terrorists this season!
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Reply #3 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 8:57pm
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Yes I am a fan...and am waiting patiently here on the west coast for it to come on.
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Missed tonight's episode because of Wake/UNC game.  Will definitely watch tomorrow.  Was it good tonight?
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lotsajizz wrote on Jan 11th, 2009 at 9:32pm:
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Well put.  It is astonishing and frightening to me to see howe powerful the pull of tribalism is in some of us, and howe weak the sense of common decency and allegiance to due process (not to mention howe many ignorantly believe that torture is effective interrogation).
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I've always enjoyed the ridiculous plots and escapism - i call it bubblegum for the eyes.  Smiley

But i don't have the patience or the memory to follow, it week in or week out, for 24 weeks.

   I wait for the DVD boxset, and indulge it, at my leisure, when the time suits.  Fuck you Gazza, Will ya?
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Trey Krimsin wrote on Jan 11th, 2009 at 10:13pm:
Missed tonight's episode because of Wake/UNC game.  Will definitely watch tomorrow.  Was it good tonight?


It was good Trey.

Fans were not happy with the last Season so it was do for a revamping. Action now taking place in DC.

CTU has been dismantled and Jack is about to be indicted by the Senate for violations of power.

The threat this year appears to be an American group although there may be foreign ties.

A woman sits in the Oval Office this Season; a refreshing change.

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Ade wrote on Jan 12th, 2009 at 2:24am:
I've always enjoyed the ridiculous plots and escapism - i call it bubblegum for the eyes.  Smiley

But i don't have the patience or the memory to follow, it week in or week out, for 24 weeks.

  I wait for the DVD boxset, and indulge it, at my leisure, when the time suits.  Fuck you Gazza, Will ya?


"bubblegum"??!! Grin

I find it more like escapism similar to the ridiculous James Bond...

And lets face it..
it is out there.

I've never seen someone look so good for living thru all the escapades he encounters in 24 hours..
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Yes it is good escapism. Fun entertainment. You need to suspend disbelief when you watch it. As for you guys who say it glorifies torture. It's a TV SHOW. Get over it. Try watching the 6 o'clock news. That's torture and it's real.
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Any way I'm glad the debate has shifted from whether we torture to why we torture. Torturing a "terrorist" is OK. Maybe Cotton Mather would feel somewhat vindicated now. After all, those witches may have actually been ....well...."witches"....
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Obama owes his presidency to the writers of 24.
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Obama owes his presidency to the writers of 24.


He does? I didn't realize they commanded that many Electoral Votes.
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Janeane Garofalo cast as an FBI agent?  Please, she is an obvious spy and left wing wacko.  I hope Jack waterboards her then shoots this evil doer!
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Jumping Jack wrote on Jan 12th, 2009 at 9:46am:
Obama owes his presidency to the writers of 24.


No he doesn't. They have already had 2 black president's on 24. They were obviously pulling for Hillary since they have a woman president this year.
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Correct, they got everyone (media and Hollywood in particular) infatuated with the idea of a black president.  Getting rid of CTU is analagous to what Obama plans to do to the CIA.  What the hell, they will likely attack a blue state again so who cares, LOL!
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I disagree JJ. I loved "President David Palmer" and if his brilliant characterization of a wise, decent and level headed leader did anything to dissolve the feelings that an African American could never thrive in the office of POTUS, BRAVO to 24!!!

CTU had to be dissolved. The show needed a major overhaul as the fans were not happy with the last Season.

Bill Buchanan and Chloe are on the official website. Thank God!!!

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More Chloe. That's what 24 needs Fuck you Gazza, Will ya? Cheesy
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Writing seems better than last year and a change of cities is a big help.  Bill and Chloe will be back.  I bet Tony is working undercover and is not a bad guy.
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24 Propaganda? Is The Pope Catholic?

Talking heads omit fact that U.S. government, Neo-Con ideologues met with cast members to run PR for war on terror

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To coincide with the start of a new season of Fox's much vaunted 24 program, MSNBC featured a debate asking whether the lead character, Jack Bauer, was a right-wing propagandist. What the talking heads and others that defend the neutrality of the show consistently fail to omit is the fact that 24 cast and crew members met with U.S. government officials and Neo-Con ideologues to run PR for the war on terror last year.

Those that defend the show against allegations that it is merely fearmongering propaganda used to prop up the facade of the "war on terror" either point to the wildly unrealistic tone of the plotlines or to examples where it isn't always Muslim jihadists behind the terror.

We can go back and forth all day discussing the intricacies of the plot, instances where the oil cartels are sponsoring the terror or certain individuals within the government turn heel and become bad guys. The majority of the American population do not watch entire episodes back to back for a whole day like some unfortunate souls choose to waste their time doing. The important aspect to make a judgment on is the impression that the show leaves as a whole and certain contextual storylines that are repeated in almost every episode.

This is what you come away with from catching a few minutes of 24, be it channel surfing or watching trailers - terrorists are everywhere and terror attacks are inevitably going to increase in both number and severity in the United States. The only way to stop terrorists is to violate the U.S. Constitution in a plethora of different ways and torture people into making confessions. In the current season, concentration camps are built to detain suspects.

No matter which way you slice it or dice it, that's what the average American gets out of 24.

Little surprise it is therefore that the U.S. government has chosen to attach itself to the show, a trend mimicked by Neo-Con ideologues.

In June 2006, Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff joined a panel of 24 cast and crew members at a Heritage Foundation event that was moderated by none other than hillbilly heroin popping Neo-Con talk show walrus Rush Limbaugh. Limbaugh put the morning forum in jeopardy when he planted a kiss on the lips of 24 actress Mary Lynn Rajskub, causing the media in attendance to almost projectile vomit their breakfast.

The conference also featured numerous self-described national security experts and even Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. You can watch the two hour event by clicking here.

The scope of the event was supposedly to discern if 24 was like real counterterrorism efforts, which is like making the argument that Teen Wolf is an accurate portrayal of the NBA. Everyone knows 24 is over hyped and overblown but that's not the point of this debate. The more telling aspect of this visit was when Chertoff embraced and praised the actions of the characters fictionalized in the show as an example of the kind of dedication Homeland Security should be showing towards fighting terrorism (including presumably season one's patriotic scene where our hero Bauer cuts off a villain's head with a hacksaw).

We have Limbaugh tonguing the lead actress and Chertoff lauding the virtues of the show in a public speech - and yet some still argue it's not Neo-Con propaganda! What do they need as proof? George Bush having Kiefer Sutherland's baby?

Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld have both publicly praised the show as one of their favorites, but to have Chertoff give the opening speech at an event that used the popularity of 24 as PR for the war on terror, provides no clearer conclusion than the fact that the Bush administration loves 24 - because it feeds the fear.

It's a completely unjustified fear that can be ridiculed with the knowledge that peanuts and accident causing deer kill more Americans every single year on average than acts of terror and the fact that there's a September 11 death toll equivalent on U.S. roads every month.

The show is also embraced by Bush bootlickers such as Laura Ingraham, one of a gaggle of press whores recently invited to the White House to get their orders, who told Fox News that the average American's love of the show is a referendum for "tough tactics" (torture) against anyone considered to be with "Al Qaeda" whether they be American citizens or not.

In addition to tacit spoken approvals from Bush admin bigwigs, big budget film and television productions that make use of government and military facilities, technology and hardware have to acquiesce to on-site narks who vet the script and demand that changes are made unless the relevant agencies of the state are represented in a positive light, and there's no reason to conclude 24 is any different.

Whether by accident or design, 24 is indoctrinating a generation of Americans into believing that the future of the country will be characterized by paranoia, fear and mass terror, and that the only way to combat such chaos is to give the government unlimited power to "protect" us. Only the government itself can benefit from such brainwashing and that's why the Bush administration and 24 are joined at the hip in a coordinated propaganda assault against the American people.
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Ya gotta feel bad for Jack Bauer.

He's had quite a few really shitty days.
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The Watson article pretty well lays it out.  If it's "just a TV show," why would West Point professors be concerned that cadets (our military's future leaders) believe that Bauer's lawless tactics are legitimate?  And what does the popularity of the show say about the moral condition of the US?  I'm not talking about the "petty morals" that Keith despises:  the "don't fuck, don't get high, don't rock" fundamentalist crap.  I'm talking about the values that used to separate us from the Nazis, the Red Chinese and the Spanish Inquisition.  The "anything goes if it's done for our side" attitude is the definition of tribalism.  The whole point of the Enlightenment was to move past that way of "thinking," or more precisely, reacting.  The tribalist response is always festering in the primordial ooze that is the human unconscious (see Wilhelm Reich's The Mass Psychology of Fascism).  Shows like "24" succeed by appealing to such base instincts.
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Jack should be President next year.  Then he will really be able to straighten some shit out, LOL!!!
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Ya gotta feel bad for Jack Bauer.

He's had quite a few really shitty days.


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I'll say this for you BJ, you're a true believer. The problem with that is that you are the exact kind of person that I would never want to head up any kind of security force for our national defense. The show is just that. A show. However, when I hear liberals bitch and moan about stupid shit like water boarding I can only barley stifle a laugh, or an outright guffaw! I am reminded of the images of Nicolas Berg having his head sawed off with a butcher's knife while he screams his last screams in horrifying agony. I remember the bodies of seven burnt Americans strung up on a bridge in Fallujah with the practitioners of the "religion of peace" dancing around their charred remains. I remember people choosing to leap from 101 floors up from the WTC rather than burn alive.

Liberals hate the show 24 because to them it represents a bullying American image of machismo. However, they always excuse the actions of Islamic fuckers like Hamas in Gaza. Liberals are ALWAYS on the wrong side of the argument. To liberals Bush is a war criminal and Israel is an occupying force. They are a very weird breed.

Liberals scream about water-boarding and some stupid antics in Abu Ghraib, but they never acknowledge that the soldiers involved in Abu Ghraib were arrested and sentenced, and that every FBI,CIA, and Special Forces personnel is required to undergo water-boarding as per their training.


The fact that Khalid Sheik Mohamed cracked as a direct result of water-boarding and because of this action the plan to blow up seven airliners over the Atlantic was averted. To a liberal that price was too high. Crazy! They'd probably think differently if their children had been on one of those planes. The man plotted the worst terrorist attack in the history of civilization, and was planning another just as devastating, and liberals accuse Bush of war crimes because he had the gall to allow water-boarding on him! Stunningly naive is the mindset of an unhinged, unrealistic, and uninformed liberal.


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not to mention idiocy

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not to mention idiocy

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Yeah, you're right Jizzy! Abraham Lincoln was stunningly un-American to suspend Habeas Corpus as well! FDR (liberal demi-God) was out of his fucking mind to detain thousands of Japanese Americans in WWII.

The fact that you would rather allow thousands of innocents to get blown out of the sky rather than subject the worst terrorist in the world to a what amounts to nothing more than a training exercise for our very own Spec Ops guys is what is truly idiocy! Sheer, utter, and complete idiocy in fact. It was revealed just last week that had this Islamic sub human not been waterboarded than those seven planes would most certainly have been brought down over Atlantic with the loss of all lives. You, in your sheer contempt for any common sense would have happily allowed that to happen. My gut tells me that you would have a completely different take on the matter had your mother,father,sister, brother, or child been on one of those airliners. Since they weren't though you have this stupid fucking cavalier attitude about what is, and what is not the "American" thing to do. Had you been in charge all those people would be dead now. But hey, your conscious would be clear for not hurting the worst terrorist in man's history, right?!


Your kind are dangerous, not to mention that you show zero understanding about the mindset of the enemy we face. Islamists would laugh in your face for your stupid assed contrived "patriotism". Then they'd cleave your head from your body and hold it up for the camera to see. I'd bet my bottom dollar that you would be happy to see some Islamic fuck get waterboarded if it meant saving you from that fate. Or would you just be a happy liberal and "take one for the team"?!


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Okay Jizzy, MM and BJ. Tell me this.

You are faced with interrogating a person who detests you because of your Country of origin.
Said detainee would like nothing more than to see you and your entire family wiped out in the name of, let's say, Allah. In their eyes you are pure evil because you are a citizen of the United States of America.

You have a chance to save hundreds of innocent lives by applying some unethical techniques; perhaps  the life of one of your family members is at stake. But you only have 5 minutes.

Remember. If YOU were in THEIR custody they would think NOTHING of brutalizing you.

Do you mean to tell me you would insist on calling in a Public Defender and letting innocent people die???
Do you honestly think people who have been indoctrinated since youth to HATE/KILL YOU can be reasoned with???? Sadly, I do not.

And don't think there aren't remnants of my Liberal Democratic upbringing in my blood.
These are not easy choices and WE have done our share to alienate many in the Arab world.

Bottom line is this...the enemy has changed. Sometimes WE have to change our way of dealing with them, as ugly as it may be.

I'm not trying to fight. I'm tired of fighting. It's all we seem to do anymore. Just expressing my opinion.

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24 is great entertainment.

The fact that liberals get their underwear bunched up over it is icing on the cake.

Of course, they will likely seek to have it censored now.
That's how libs do it.
Freedom of speech as long as it is the correct speech.

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The redneck cabal is fond of arguing against what they wish was said rather than what was actually said.  Typical.  A people who will sacrifice hard-won liberties for perceived security merits (and will achive) neither; something our Founding Fathers understood.  But then again the right wing/nutjob brigade left American principals behind long ago....
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The redneck cabal is fond of arguing against what they wish was said rather than what was actually said.  Typical.  A people who will sacrifice hard-won liberties for perceived security merits (and will achive) neither; something our Founding Fathers understood.  But then again the right wing/nutjob brigade left American principals behind long ago....


You never answered my hypothetical question, Jizzy.

You are the interrogator and your wife and kids lives are at stake. What would Jizzy do? Use whatever means to get info to save them or let them die as patriots of hard won freedom? This is NOT an attempt to fight with you, but rather to understand your perspective.

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I'm not your suspect to be interrogated.  Those of us in the business know that information derived from such methods is inherantly unreliable.  This is something the Framers understood 230 years ago but which the mob forgets and must relearn every few years.  That is why we once had a Constitution.
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 The tribalist response is always festering in the primordial ooze that is the human unconscious (see Wilhelm Reich's The Mass Psychology of Fascism).  Shows like "24" succeed by appealing to such base instincts.


Someone articulate actually philosophises here??? And he/she can actually spell???  Am I on the wrong board????
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You nailed it, BrainbellJangler! Unfortunately, I am far more cynical (and probably older) than you and think that, in the great historical picture, if you blinked you probably missed Enlightenment altogether...

Wasn't there a psychological experiment with over twenty students about 20 years ago at some American University (was it Stanford?) in which "tribalism" made nice, open-minded students turn into power-hungry jailors that tortured their "captives"??? I think that a German movie from 2008 dealt with the same subject, how human decency goes out the window in the face of total power. I doubt that many people think about "right" or "wrong" when they watch 24, they are far too busy riding the adrenaline wave.

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You are the interrogator and your wife and kids lives are at stake. What would Jizzy do? Use whatever means to get info to save them or let them die as patriots of hard won freedom? This is NOT an attempt to fight with you, but rather to understand your perspective.

LJ.


This does sound exactly like the sort of question that would be asked from a conscientious objector who refuses to go into war/ "What would you do if the Krauts/Vietnamese/Jihadists came into your home and threatened to kill your wife/mother/sister?" Doesn't it??? And the hypothetical scenario doesn't change the fact that what is right is right, and what is wrong is wrong.

Dear LJ: I hope you enjoy the forthcoming series of 24 and get a lot of pleasure out of it.

And now I'm off, before the usual political shit hits the fan.
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"This does sound exactly like the sort of question that would be asked from a conscientious objector who refuses to go into war/ "What would you do if the Krauts/Vietnamese/Jihadists came into your home and threatened to kill your wife/mother/sister?" Doesn't it??? And the hypothetical scenario doesn't change the fact that what is right is right, and what is wrong is wrong."

100% correct Jo. I just don't see it as a black and white issue. Not anymore.

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24 is great entertainment.

The fact that liberals get their underwear bunched up over it is icing on the cake.

Of course, they will likely seek to have it censored now.
That's how libs do it.
Freedom of speech as long as it is the correct speech.

I hope Jack Bauer's antics in DC this season results in some collateral liberal damage...

Yep, those unhinged leftard loons over at West Point sure got their military panties bunched up, don't they?  In fact, the whole damn military is crawling with commies!  It's riddled with Reds, I tell ya!  Hoo-boy!

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Translation: Another condescending reply to someone who hasn't the "intelligence" to DARE ask a question of the all knowing Contrarian.

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I'll answer the hypo.  The major premise, that torture yields reliable intelligence, is false.  I know that some here claim that waterboarding caused Khalid Sheik Yerbouti to reveal some terror plot.  Please provide proof.  Then there is the slippery slope argument.  It may well be that all of us would be safer if we were subjected to constant surveillance.  Who wants that?  The fact is that our values and liberties come with a price.  Totalitarian regimes throughout history have held power not by force, but by firghtening the majority into submission "for their own protection."  If we surrender our values out of fear, the terrorists win.
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LadyJane wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 12:09pm:
Translation: Another condescending reply to someone who hasn't the "intelligence" to DARE ask a question of the all knowing Contrarian.

LJ.

I'll answer the hypo.  The major premise, that torture yields reliable intelligence, is false.  I know that some here claim that waterboarding caused Khalid Sheik Yerbouti to reveal some terror plot.  Please provide proof.  Then there is the slippery slope argument.  It may well be that all of us would be safer if we were subjected to constant surveillance.  Who wants that?  The fact is that our values and liberties come with a price.  Totalitarian regimes throughout history have held power not by force, but by firghtening the majority into submission "for their own protection."  If we surrender our values out of fear, the terrorists win.


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Crikey this show is a work of fiction! Settle down y'all. It's entertainment that is a world class drinking game. Everytime a woman connives drink a shot. Anytime someone on the show screams "who are you working for?" you pound a tall boy. I'm trashed 25 minutes into the show!
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Crikey this show is a work of fiction! Settle down y'all. It's entertainment that is a world class drinking game. Everytime a woman connives drink a shot. Anytime someone on the show screams "who are you working for?" you pound a tall boy. I'm trashed 25 minutes into the show!


Great idea!
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I really didn't want this thread to turn into yet another argument but ya know howe we are around here.

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So now that we can talk about the show again.What did everybody think of last night's 2 Hrs? I enjoyed it. Checked my disbeliefs at the door and was entertained by it....Plus we got our first look this season at Chloe Who stole this one? (Seriously)
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Brainbell Jangler wrote on Jan 12th, 2009 at 12:21pm:
 The tribalist response is always festering in the primordial ooze that is the human unconscious (see Wilhelm Reich's The Mass Psychology of Fascism).  Shows like "24" succeed by appealing to such base instincts.


Someone articulate actually philosophises here??? And he/she can actually spell???  Am I on the wrong board????
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You nailed it, BrainbellJangler! Unfortunately, I am far more cynical (and probably older) than you and think that, in the great historical picture, if you blinked you probably missed Enlightenment altogether...

Wasn't there a psychological experiment with over twenty students about 20 years ago at some American University (was it Stanford?) in which "tribalism" made nice, open-minded students turn into power-hungry jailors that tortured their "captives"??? I think that a German movie from 2008 dealt with the same subject, how human decency goes out the window in the face of total power. I doubt that many people think about "right" or "wrong" when they watch 24, they are far too busy riding the adrenaline wave.


Thank you kindly, jo.  There's no certainty that you're much older than I; I watched the Stones' first appearance on Ed Sullivan.  You're thinking of Stanley Milgram's "Obedience and Individual Responsibility" experiment at Yale.  In some ways, it's unfortunate that contemporary ethical rules prevent duplication of such experiments.  The truly frightening thing is howe [sic] easily well-intentioned persons, such as some on this board, can be herded into fascism if the perceived threat is serious or immediate enough.  Of course, there are always plenty of those who are all too eager to Rush [sic] into reaction.  And I'm sure you're right about the adrenaline reaction obliterating critical thinking; it's the basis of an entire political philosophy:  "What good fortune for those in power that people do not think."--Adolph Hitler
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It isn't an argument.

It is a discussion of the great show along with some commentary and bad logic by our resident apologists!

True, but I wasn't expecting you--or any of the show's apologists--to admit that.
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monkey_man wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 3:28pm:
Crikey this show is a work of fiction! Settle down y'all. It's entertainment that is a world class drinking game. Everytime a woman connives drink a shot. Anytime someone on the show screams "who are you working for?" you pound a tall boy. I'm trashed 25 minutes into the show!


Great idea!
Bless you m_m Wink

I really didn't want this thread to turn into yet another argument but ya know howe we are around here.

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We need to add bong hits for every time Chloe sticks her lower lip out. What can we add for everytime Janene Garafalo winces causes she's sold her soul to work for Fox. . . .
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So now that we can talk about the show again.What did everybody think of last night's 2 Hrs? I enjoyed it. Checked my disbeliefs at the door and was entertained by it....Plus we got our first look this season at Chloe Who stole this one? (Seriously)


I thoroughly enjoyed it scl.
I cheered when I saw Bill and Chloe and I'm so glad Tony is undercover.
It's been so long since we last saw this great show, I felt like I had old friends over.

I'm hoping this Season they will not wander off into too many sub plots. I like the change of venue to DC as well.

And bong hits are a great idea mm.

Looks like we have "dueling" Chloe's.

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[quote author=monkey_man link=1231726576/25#49 date=1231882080]Crikey this show is a work of fiction! Settle down y'all. It's entertainment that is a world class drinking game. Everytime a woman connives drink a shot. Anytime someone on the show screams "who are you working for?" you pound a tall boy. I'm trashed 25 minutes into the show!



We need to add bong hits for every time Chloe sticks her lower lip out. What can we add for everytime Janene Garafalo winces causes she's sold her soul to work for Fox. . . .

I tried that last night. Room started spinning after a while Better seen on weed!

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Translation: Another condescending reply to someone who hasn't the "intelligence" to DARE ask a question of the all knowing Contrarian.

LJ.

I'll answer the hypo.  The major premise, that torture yields reliable intelligence, is false.  I know that some here claim that waterboarding caused Khalid Sheik Yerbouti to reveal some terror plot.  Please provide proof.  Then there is the slippery slope argument.  It may well be that all of us would be safer if we were subjected to constant surveillance.  Who wants that?  The fact is that our values and liberties come with a price.  Totalitarian regimes throughout history have held power not by force, but by firghtening the majority into submission "for their own protection."  If we surrender our values out of fear, the terrorists win.


One of the things you have wrong is you're avatier covering up your comments, how about making your avatier smaller, this has been going on for ages, I can't properly read your posts.

It's an avatar & if anything, he should make it BIGGER! Who wants to read that drivel anyway. Here was have a thread started on an awesome adventure show & the usual trolls show up to fight with everyone else. That's less than awesome. It's fucking tiresome.
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my favourite t.v show, at the moment is Mad Men

we've only had Season 1, so far, in the UK, but i'm pretty much addicted.

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Someone bought me Mad Men for my burfday & I have to say it's kind of boring. I've only made it through the 1st 2 episodes. What do you think of Spooks? Note: That's NOT an Obama reference!!! There's a BBC show called Spooks that's a lot like 24 except they're not as tough over there.
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Spooks is '24-lite' if thats possible  Wink

it's not essential viewing, by any means.

I agree. I've been rewatching episodes from 2004 with McFayden as the hero. He's in a relationship but can tell his woman what he does for a living.
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LadyJane wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 12:09pm:
Translation: Another condescending reply to someone who hasn't the "intelligence" to DARE ask a question of the all knowing Contrarian.

LJ.

I'll answer the hypo.  The major premise, that torture yields reliable intelligence, is false.  I know that some here claim that waterboarding caused Khalid Sheik Yerbouti to reveal some terror plot.  Please provide proof.  Then there is the slippery slope argument.  It may well be that all of us would be safer if we were subjected to constant surveillance.  Who wants that?  The fact is that our values and liberties come with a price.  Totalitarian regimes throughout history have held power not by force, but by firghtening the majority into submission "for their own protection."  If we surrender our values out of fear, the terrorists win.


One of the things you have wrong is you're avatier covering up your comments, how about making your avatier smaller, this has been going on for ages, I can't properly read your posts.

It's an avatar & if anything, he should make it BIGGER! Who wants to read that drivel anyway. Here was have a thread started on an awesome adventure show & the usual trolls show up to fight with everyone else. That's less than awesome. It's fucking tiresome.

I presume that you are including jizzy and I among the "usual trolls" you accuse of fighting with "everyone else."  Is jostorm on your troll list, too?  She seems to agree with me.  And I'm not surprised you found "Mad Men" boring; it doesn't involve a lot of adrenalin-inducing mayhem.
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Translation: Another condescending reply to someone who hasn't the "intelligence" to DARE ask a question of the all knowing Contrarian.

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I'll answer the hypo.  The major premise, that torture yields reliable intelligence, is false.  I know that some here claim that waterboarding caused Khalid Sheik Yerbouti to reveal some terror plot.  Please provide proof.  Then there is the slippery slope argument.  It may well be that all of us would be safer if we were subjected to constant surveillance.  Who wants that?  The fact is that our values and liberties come with a price.  Totalitarian regimes throughout history have held power not by force, but by firghtening the majority into submission "for their own protection."  If we surrender our values out of fear, the terrorists win.


One of the things you have wrong is you're avatier covering up your comments, how about making your avatier smaller, this has been going on for ages, I can't properly read your posts.

I'm puzzled by the avatar problem.  It doesn't cover up posts on my screen except when I'm using the iphone.  Sometimes it looks larger, sometimes it doesn't.  Anyway, I've changed it; I hope it helps.
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Brainbell Jangler wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 3:20pm:
LadyJane wrote on Jan 13th, 2009 at 12:09pm:
Translation: Another condescending reply to someone who hasn't the "intelligence" to DARE ask a question of the all knowing Contrarian.

LJ.

I'll answer the hypo.  The major premise, that torture yields reliable intelligence, is false.  I know that some here claim that waterboarding caused Khalid Sheik Yerbouti to reveal some terror plot.  Please provide proof.  Then there is the slippery slope argument.  It may well be that all of us would be safer if we were subjected to constant surveillance.  Who wants that?  The fact is that our values and liberties come with a price.  Totalitarian regimes throughout history have held power not by force, but by firghtening the majority into submission "for their own protection."  If we surrender our values out of fear, the terrorists win.


One of the things you have wrong is you're avatier covering up your comments, how about making your avatier smaller, this has been going on for ages, I can't properly read your posts.

It's an avatar & if anything, he should make it BIGGER! Who wants to read that drivel anyway. Here was have a thread started on an awesome adventure show & the usual trolls show up to fight with everyone else. That's less than awesome. It's fucking tiresome.

I presume that you are including jizzy and I among the "usual trolls" you accuse of fighting with "everyone else."  Is jostorm on your troll list, too?  She seems to agree with me.  And I'm not surprised you found "Mad Men" boring; it doesn't involve a lot of adrenalin-inducing mayhem.

No, instead it involves a lot of snore-inducing drivel. Figures you like it.
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Ade wrote on Jan 14th, 2009 at 4:44am:
my favourite t.v show, at the moment is Mad Men

we've only had Season 1, so far, in the UK, but i'm pretty much addicted.

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Excellent show, Ade.
It gets even better in Season 2.
Enjoy!
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Reply #67 - Jan 14th, 2009 at 6:04pm
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SweetVirginia wrote on Jan 14th, 2009 at 5:25pm:
Ade wrote on Jan 14th, 2009 at 4:44am:
my favourite t.v show, at the moment is Mad Men

we've only had Season 1, so far, in the UK, but i'm pretty much addicted.

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Excellent show, Ade.
It gets even better in Season 2.
Enjoy!

At least the 3 of us enjoy "snore-inducing drivel."  Maybe they could add a few torture scenes to hold glencar's limited attention span.
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Reply #68 - Jan 15th, 2009 at 1:48pm
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Only if you're the torture victim. Thanks in advance!
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Only if you're the torture victim. Thanks in advance!

So much for that New Year's resolution.
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But I am staying off the politics thread.
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But I am staying off the politics thread.

Oh, Reilly?
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Reply #72 - Jan 17th, 2009 at 5:10am
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bitter old men stick together....enemies could be everywhere, you know?  LOL!
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