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sweetcharmedlife Agent Provocateur Offline Do the horrendous to that if you can Posts: 11,932 San Mateo Gender:	Re: 24 is back!!! Reply #50 - Jan 13^th, 2009 at 3:37pm So now that we can talk about the show again.What did everybody think of last night's 2 Hrs? I enjoyed it. Checked my disbeliefs at the door and was entertained by it....Plus we got our first look this season at Chloe
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Re: 24 is back!!!
Reply #51 - Jan 13^th, 2009 at 3:38pm

jostorm wrote on Jan 13^th, 2009 at 1:55pm:

Brainbell Jangler wrote on Jan 12^th, 2009 at 12:21pm:

The tribalist response is always festering in the primordial ooze that is the human unconscious (see Wilhelm Reich's The Mass Psychology of Fascism). Shows like "24" succeed by appealing to such base instincts.

Someone articulate actually philosophises here??? And he/she can actually spell??? Am I on the wrong board????
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You nailed it, BrainbellJangler! Unfortunately, I am far more cynical (and probably older) than you and think that, in the great historical picture, if you blinked you probably missed Enlightenment altogether...

Wasn't there a psychological experiment with over twenty students about 20 years ago at some American University (was it Stanford?) in which "tribalism" made nice, open-minded students turn into power-hungry jailors that tortured their "captives"??? I think that a German movie from 2008 dealt with the same subject, how human decency goes out the window in the face of total power. I doubt that many people think about "right" or "wrong" when they watch 24, they are far too busy riding the adrenaline wave.

Thank you kindly, jo. There's no certainty that you're much older than I; I watched the Stones' first appearance on Ed Sullivan. You're thinking of Stanley Milgram's "Obedience and Individual Responsibility" experiment at Yale. In some ways, it's unfortunate that contemporary ethical rules prevent duplication of such experiments. The truly frightening thing is howe [sic] easily well-intentioned persons, such as some on this board, can be herded into fascism if the perceived threat is serious or immediate enough. Of course, there are always plenty of those who are all too eager to Rush [sic] into reaction. And I'm sure you're right about the adrenaline reaction obliterating critical thinking; it's the basis of an entire political philosophy: "What good fortune for those in power that people do not think."--Adolph Hitler

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Brainbell Jangler Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 1,319 Portland, OR Gender:	Re: 24 is back!!! Reply #52 - Jan 13^th, 2009 at 3:41pm nankerphelge wrote on Jan 13^th, 2009 at 3:36pm: It isn't an argument. It is a discussion of the great show along with some commentary and bad logic by our resident apologists! True, but I wasn't expecting you--or any of the show's apologists--to admit that.
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nankerphelge Rocks Off Regular Offline Maybe being bad is more fun than being good... Posts: 2,763 Sweet Virginia Gender:	Re: 24 is back!!! Reply #53 - Jan 13^th, 2009 at 3:42pm That's really the best you can do? "I know you are, but what am I?"
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Re: 24 is back!!!
Reply #54 - Jan 13^th, 2009 at 3:43pm

LadyJane wrote on Jan 13^th, 2009 at 3:33pm:

monkey_man wrote on Jan 13^th, 2009 at 3:28pm:

Crikey this show is a work of fiction! Settle down y'all. It's entertainment that is a world class drinking game. Everytime a woman connives drink a shot. Anytime someone on the show screams "who are you working for?" you pound a tall boy. I'm trashed 25 minutes into the show!

Great idea!
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I really didn't want this thread to turn into yet another argument but ya know howe we are around here.

LJ.

We need to add bong hits for every time Chloe sticks her lower lip out. What can we add for everytime Janene Garafalo winces causes she's sold her soul to work for Fox. . . .

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Reply #55 - Jan 13^th, 2009 at 3:47pm

sweetcharmedlife wrote on Jan 13^th, 2009 at 3:37pm:

So now that we can talk about the show again.What did everybody think of last night's 2 Hrs? I enjoyed it. Checked my disbeliefs at the door and was entertained by it....Plus we got our first look this season at Chloe Who stole this one? (Seriously)

I thoroughly enjoyed it scl.
I cheered when I saw Bill and Chloe and I'm so glad Tony is undercover.
It's been so long since we last saw this great show, I felt like I had old friends over.

I'm hoping this Season they will not wander off into too many sub plots. I like the change of venue to DC as well.

And bong hits are a great idea mm.

Looks like we have "dueling" Chloe's.

I'm psyched.

LJ.

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Re: 24 is back!!!
Reply #56 - Jan 13^th, 2009 at 5:18pm

monkey_man wrote on Jan 13^th, 2009 at 3:43pm:

LadyJane wrote on Jan 13^th, 2009 at 3:33pm:

[quote author=monkey_man link=1231726576/25#49 date=1231882080]Crikey this show is a work of fiction! Settle down y'all. It's entertainment that is a world class drinking game. Everytime a woman connives drink a shot. Anytime someone on the show screams "who are you working for?" you pound a tall boy. I'm trashed 25 minutes into the show!

We need to add bong hits for every time Chloe sticks her lower lip out. What can we add for everytime Janene Garafalo winces causes she's sold her soul to work for Fox. . . .

I tried that last night. Room started spinning after a while Better seen on weed!

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Ade Rocks Off Regular Offline What's Occuring? Posts: 3,145 London, U.K Gender:	Re: 24 is back!!! Reply #57 - Jan 14^th, 2009 at 4:44am my favourite t.v show, at the moment is Mad Men we've only had Season 1, so far, in the UK, but i'm pretty much addicted.
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Reply #58 - Jan 14^th, 2009 at 6:50am

Heart Of Stone wrote on Jan 13^th, 2009 at 3:24pm:

Brainbell Jangler wrote on Jan 13^th, 2009 at 3:20pm:

LadyJane wrote on Jan 13^th, 2009 at 12:09pm:

Translation: Another condescending reply to someone who hasn't the "intelligence" to DARE ask a question of the all knowing Contrarian.

LJ.

I'll answer the hypo. The major premise, that torture yields reliable intelligence, is false. I know that some here claim that waterboarding caused Khalid Sheik Yerbouti to reveal some terror plot. Please provide proof. Then there is the slippery slope argument. It may well be that all of us would be safer if we were subjected to constant surveillance. Who wants that? The fact is that our values and liberties come with a price. Totalitarian regimes throughout history have held power not by force, but by firghtening the majority into submission "for their own protection." If we surrender our values out of fear, the terrorists win.

One of the things you have wrong is you're avatier covering up your comments, how about making your avatier smaller, this has been going on for ages, I can't properly read your posts.

It's an avatar & if anything, he should make it BIGGER! Who wants to read that drivel anyway. Here was have a thread started on an awesome adventure show & the usual trolls show up to fight with everyone else. That's less than awesome. It's fucking tiresome.

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Re: 24 is back!!!
Reply #59 - Jan 14^th, 2009 at 6:52am

Ade wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 4:44am:

my favourite t.v show, at the moment is Mad Men

we've only had Season 1, so far, in the UK, but i'm pretty much addicted.

Someone bought me Mad Men for my burfday & I have to say it's kind of boring. I've only made it through the 1st 2 episodes. What do you think of Spooks? Note: That's NOT an Obama reference!!! There's a BBC show called Spooks that's a lot like 24 except they're not as tough over there.

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Ade Rocks Off Regular Offline What's Occuring? Posts: 3,145 London, U.K Gender:	Re: 24 is back!!! Reply #60 - Jan 14^th, 2009 at 7:00am Spooks is '24-lite' if thats possible it's not essential viewing, by any means.
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glencar Ex Member	Re: 24 is back!!! Reply #61 - Jan 14^th, 2009 at 7:03am Ade wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 7:00am: Spooks is '24-lite' if thats possible it's not essential viewing, by any means. I agree. I've been rewatching episodes from 2004 with McFayden as the hero. He's in a relationship but can tell his woman what he does for a living.
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Reply #62 - Jan 14^th, 2009 at 2:05pm

Quote:

Heart Of Stone wrote on Jan 13^th, 2009 at 3:24pm:

Brainbell Jangler wrote on Jan 13^th, 2009 at 3:20pm:

LadyJane wrote on Jan 13^th, 2009 at 12:09pm:

Translation: Another condescending reply to someone who hasn't the "intelligence" to DARE ask a question of the all knowing Contrarian.

LJ.

I'll answer the hypo. The major premise, that torture yields reliable intelligence, is false. I know that some here claim that waterboarding caused Khalid Sheik Yerbouti to reveal some terror plot. Please provide proof. Then there is the slippery slope argument. It may well be that all of us would be safer if we were subjected to constant surveillance. Who wants that? The fact is that our values and liberties come with a price. Totalitarian regimes throughout history have held power not by force, but by firghtening the majority into submission "for their own protection." If we surrender our values out of fear, the terrorists win.

One of the things you have wrong is you're avatier covering up your comments, how about making your avatier smaller, this has been going on for ages, I can't properly read your posts.

It's an avatar & if anything, he should make it BIGGER! Who wants to read that drivel anyway. Here was have a thread started on an awesome adventure show & the usual trolls show up to fight with everyone else. That's less than awesome. It's fucking tiresome.

I presume that you are including jizzy and I among the "usual trolls" you accuse of fighting with "everyone else." Is jostorm on your troll list, too? She seems to agree with me. And I'm not surprised you found "Mad Men" boring; it doesn't involve a lot of adrenalin-inducing mayhem.

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Re: 24 is back!!!
Reply #63 - Jan 14^th, 2009 at 2:10pm

Heart Of Stone wrote on Jan 13^th, 2009 at 3:24pm:

Brainbell Jangler wrote on Jan 13^th, 2009 at 3:20pm:

LadyJane wrote on Jan 13^th, 2009 at 12:09pm:

Translation: Another condescending reply to someone who hasn't the "intelligence" to DARE ask a question of the all knowing Contrarian.

LJ.

I'll answer the hypo. The major premise, that torture yields reliable intelligence, is false. I know that some here claim that waterboarding caused Khalid Sheik Yerbouti to reveal some terror plot. Please provide proof. Then there is the slippery slope argument. It may well be that all of us would be safer if we were subjected to constant surveillance. Who wants that? The fact is that our values and liberties come with a price. Totalitarian regimes throughout history have held power not by force, but by firghtening the majority into submission "for their own protection." If we surrender our values out of fear, the terrorists win.

One of the things you have wrong is you're avatier covering up your comments, how about making your avatier smaller, this has been going on for ages, I can't properly read your posts.

I'm puzzled by the avatar problem. It doesn't cover up posts on my screen except when I'm using the iphone. Sometimes it looks larger, sometimes it doesn't. Anyway, I've changed it; I hope it helps.

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Reply #64 - Jan 14^th, 2009 at 3:08pm

Brainbell Jangler wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 2:05pm:

Quote:

Heart Of Stone wrote on Jan 13^th, 2009 at 3:24pm:

Brainbell Jangler wrote on Jan 13^th, 2009 at 3:20pm:

LadyJane wrote on Jan 13^th, 2009 at 12:09pm:

Translation: Another condescending reply to someone who hasn't the "intelligence" to DARE ask a question of the all knowing Contrarian.

LJ.

I'll answer the hypo. The major premise, that torture yields reliable intelligence, is false. I know that some here claim that waterboarding caused Khalid Sheik Yerbouti to reveal some terror plot. Please provide proof. Then there is the slippery slope argument. It may well be that all of us would be safer if we were subjected to constant surveillance. Who wants that? The fact is that our values and liberties come with a price. Totalitarian regimes throughout history have held power not by force, but by firghtening the majority into submission "for their own protection." If we surrender our values out of fear, the terrorists win.

One of the things you have wrong is you're avatier covering up your comments, how about making your avatier smaller, this has been going on for ages, I can't properly read your posts.

It's an avatar & if anything, he should make it BIGGER! Who wants to read that drivel anyway. Here was have a thread started on an awesome adventure show & the usual trolls show up to fight with everyone else. That's less than awesome. It's fucking tiresome.

I presume that you are including jizzy and I among the "usual trolls" you accuse of fighting with "everyone else." Is jostorm on your troll list, too? She seems to agree with me. And I'm not surprised you found "Mad Men" boring; it doesn't involve a lot of adrenalin-inducing mayhem.

No, instead it involves a lot of snore-inducing drivel. Figures you like it.

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SweetVirginia Rocks Off Regular Offline I know it's only rock 'n roll but I like it Posts: 1,427 NY Gender:	Re: 24 is back!!! Reply #66 - Jan 14^th, 2009 at 5:25pm Ade wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 4:44am: my favourite t.v show, at the moment is Mad Men we've only had Season 1, so far, in the UK, but i'm pretty much addicted. Excellent show, Ade. It gets even better in Season 2. Enjoy!
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Reply #67 - Jan 14^th, 2009 at 6:04pm

SweetVirginia wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 5:25pm:

Ade wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 4:44am:

my favourite t.v show, at the moment is Mad Men

we've only had Season 1, so far, in the UK, but i'm pretty much addicted.

Excellent show, Ade.
It gets even better in Season 2.
Enjoy!

At least the 3 of us enjoy "snore-inducing drivel." Maybe they could add a few torture scenes to hold glencar's limited attention span.

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glencar Ex Member	Re: 24 is back!!! Reply #68 - Jan 15^th, 2009 at 1:48pm Only if you're the torture victim. Thanks in advance!
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Brainbell Jangler Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 1,319 Portland, OR Gender:	Re: 24 is back!!! Reply #69 - Jan 15^th, 2009 at 4:44pm Quote: Only if you're the torture victim. Thanks in advance! So much for that New Year's resolution.
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glencar Ex Member	Re: 24 is back!!! Reply #70 - Jan 15^th, 2009 at 5:02pm But I am staying off the politics thread.
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Brainbell Jangler Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 1,319 Portland, OR Gender:	Re: 24 is back!!! Reply #71 - Jan 16^th, 2009 at 11:39pm Quote: But I am staying off the politics thread. Oh, Reilly?
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lotsajizz Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 1,790 Rhode Island Gender:	Re: 24 is back!!! Reply #72 - Jan 17^th, 2009 at 5:10am bitter old men stick together....enemies could be everywhere, you know? LOL!
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