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Jan 11th, 2009 at 8:16pm
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FINALLY the Jack Bauer Power Hour returns to Fox.
Any fans???

A much more mellower first hour.
Took 75 minutes for me to have my first anxiety attack.

If you have never watched this show, give it a shot.
No need to know any history as each Season pretty much stands alone.

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Reply #1 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 8:46pm
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This is a show so vile in its promotion of unlawful torture of suspects (usually Muslim), and so popular among West Point cadets that many of them believe (despite contrary facts being provided by their professors) that such techniques are both acceptable and effective (they are neither) that the U. S. Military Academy has asked "Bauer" to come to the school and tell the cadets not to follow his criminal example.
http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/3799
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/entertainment&id=5024885
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Reply #2 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 8:49pm
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LadyJane wrote on Jan 11th, 2009 at 8:16pm:
FINALLY the Jack Bauer Power Hour returns to Fox.
Any fans???

A much more mellower first hour.
Took 75 minutes for me to have my first anxiety attack.

If you have never watched this show, give it a shot.
No need to know any history as each Season pretty much stands alone.

LJ.

I've recorded it & will watch it tomorrow. It's scary how some would try to mess with the ATC system. And the US gov't generally. I hope we see many tortured terrorists this season!
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Reply #3 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 8:57pm
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Yes I am a fan...and am waiting patiently here on the west coast for it to come on.
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Missed tonight's episode because of Wake/UNC game.  Will definitely watch tomorrow.  Was it good tonight?
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lotsajizz wrote on Jan 11th, 2009 at 9:32pm:
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Well put.  It is astonishing and frightening to me to see howe powerful the pull of tribalism is in some of us, and howe weak the sense of common decency and allegiance to due process (not to mention howe many ignorantly believe that torture is effective interrogation).
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I've always enjoyed the ridiculous plots and escapism - i call it bubblegum for the eyes.  Smiley

But i don't have the patience or the memory to follow, it week in or week out, for 24 weeks.

   I wait for the DVD boxset, and indulge it, at my leisure, when the time suits.  Fuck you Gazza, Will ya?
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Trey Krimsin wrote on Jan 11th, 2009 at 10:13pm:
Missed tonight's episode because of Wake/UNC game.  Will definitely watch tomorrow.  Was it good tonight?


It was good Trey.

Fans were not happy with the last Season so it was do for a revamping. Action now taking place in DC.

CTU has been dismantled and Jack is about to be indicted by the Senate for violations of power.

The threat this year appears to be an American group although there may be foreign ties.

A woman sits in the Oval Office this Season; a refreshing change.

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Ade wrote on Jan 12th, 2009 at 2:24am:
I've always enjoyed the ridiculous plots and escapism - i call it bubblegum for the eyes.  Smiley

But i don't have the patience or the memory to follow, it week in or week out, for 24 weeks.

  I wait for the DVD boxset, and indulge it, at my leisure, when the time suits.  Fuck you Gazza, Will ya?


"bubblegum"??!! Grin

I find it more like escapism similar to the ridiculous James Bond...

And lets face it..
it is out there.

I've never seen someone look so good for living thru all the escapades he encounters in 24 hours..
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Yes it is good escapism. Fun entertainment. You need to suspend disbelief when you watch it. As for you guys who say it glorifies torture. It's a TV SHOW. Get over it. Try watching the 6 o'clock news. That's torture and it's real.
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Any way I'm glad the debate has shifted from whether we torture to why we torture. Torturing a "terrorist" is OK. Maybe Cotton Mather would feel somewhat vindicated now. After all, those witches may have actually been ....well...."witches"....
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Obama owes his presidency to the writers of 24.
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Jumping Jack wrote on Jan 12th, 2009 at 9:46am:
Obama owes his presidency to the writers of 24.


He does? I didn't realize they commanded that many Electoral Votes.
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Janeane Garofalo cast as an FBI agent?  Please, she is an obvious spy and left wing wacko.  I hope Jack waterboards her then shoots this evil doer!
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Jumping Jack wrote on Jan 12th, 2009 at 9:46am:
Obama owes his presidency to the writers of 24.


No he doesn't. They have already had 2 black president's on 24. They were obviously pulling for Hillary since they have a woman president this year.
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Correct, they got everyone (media and Hollywood in particular) infatuated with the idea of a black president.  Getting rid of CTU is analagous to what Obama plans to do to the CIA.  What the hell, they will likely attack a blue state again so who cares, LOL!
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I disagree JJ. I loved "President David Palmer" and if his brilliant characterization of a wise, decent and level headed leader did anything to dissolve the feelings that an African American could never thrive in the office of POTUS, BRAVO to 24!!!

CTU had to be dissolved. The show needed a major overhaul as the fans were not happy with the last Season.

Bill Buchanan and Chloe are on the official website. Thank God!!!

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More Chloe. That's what 24 needs Fuck you Gazza, Will ya? Cheesy
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Writing seems better than last year and a change of cities is a big help.  Bill and Chloe will be back.  I bet Tony is working undercover and is not a bad guy.
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24 Propaganda? Is The Pope Catholic?

Talking heads omit fact that U.S. government, Neo-Con ideologues met with cast members to run PR for war on terror

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To coincide with the start of a new season of Fox's much vaunted 24 program, MSNBC featured a debate asking whether the lead character, Jack Bauer, was a right-wing propagandist. What the talking heads and others that defend the neutrality of the show consistently fail to omit is the fact that 24 cast and crew members met with U.S. government officials and Neo-Con ideologues to run PR for the war on terror last year.

Those that defend the show against allegations that it is merely fearmongering propaganda used to prop up the facade of the "war on terror" either point to the wildly unrealistic tone of the plotlines or to examples where it isn't always Muslim jihadists behind the terror.

We can go back and forth all day discussing the intricacies of the plot, instances where the oil cartels are sponsoring the terror or certain individuals within the government turn heel and become bad guys. The majority of the American population do not watch entire episodes back to back for a whole day like some unfortunate souls choose to waste their time doing. The important aspect to make a judgment on is the impression that the show leaves as a whole and certain contextual storylines that are repeated in almost every episode.

This is what you come away with from catching a few minutes of 24, be it channel surfing or watching trailers - terrorists are everywhere and terror attacks are inevitably going to increase in both number and severity in the United States. The only way to stop terrorists is to violate the U.S. Constitution in a plethora of different ways and torture people into making confessions. In the current season, concentration camps are built to detain suspects.

No matter which way you slice it or dice it, that's what the average American gets out of 24.

Little surprise it is therefore that the U.S. government has chosen to attach itself to the show, a trend mimicked by Neo-Con ideologues.

In June 2006, Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff joined a panel of 24 cast and crew members at a Heritage Foundation event that was moderated by none other than hillbilly heroin popping Neo-Con talk show walrus Rush Limbaugh. Limbaugh put the morning forum in jeopardy when he planted a kiss on the lips of 24 actress Mary Lynn Rajskub, causing the media in attendance to almost projectile vomit their breakfast.

The conference also featured numerous self-described national security experts and even Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. You can watch the two hour event by clicking here.

The scope of the event was supposedly to discern if 24 was like real counterterrorism efforts, which is like making the argument that Teen Wolf is an accurate portrayal of the NBA. Everyone knows 24 is over hyped and overblown but that's not the point of this debate. The more telling aspect of this visit was when Chertoff embraced and praised the actions of the characters fictionalized in the show as an example of the kind of dedication Homeland Security should be showing towards fighting terrorism (including presumably season one's patriotic scene where our hero Bauer cuts off a villain's head with a hacksaw).

We have Limbaugh tonguing the lead actress and Chertoff lauding the virtues of the show in a public speech - and yet some still argue it's not Neo-Con propaganda! What do they need as proof? George Bush having Kiefer Sutherland's baby?

Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld have both publicly praised the show as one of their favorites, but to have Chertoff give the opening speech at an event that used the popularity of 24 as PR for the war on terror, provides no clearer conclusion than the fact that the Bush administration loves 24 - because it feeds the fear.

It's a completely unjustified fear that can be ridiculed with the knowledge that peanuts and accident causing deer kill more Americans every single year on average than acts of terror and the fact that there's a September 11 death toll equivalent on U.S. roads every month.

The show is also embraced by Bush bootlickers such as Laura Ingraham, one of a gaggle of press whores recently invited to the White House to get their orders, who told Fox News that the average American's love of the show is a referendum for "tough tactics" (torture) against anyone considered to be with "Al Qaeda" whether they be American citizens or not.

In addition to tacit spoken approvals from Bush admin bigwigs, big budget film and television productions that make use of government and military facilities, technology and hardware have to acquiesce to on-site narks who vet the script and demand that changes are made unless the relevant agencies of the state are represented in a positive light, and there's no reason to conclude 24 is any different.

Whether by accident or design, 24 is indoctrinating a generation of Americans into believing that the future of the country will be characterized by paranoia, fear and mass terror, and that the only way to combat such chaos is to give the government unlimited power to "protect" us. Only the government itself can benefit from such brainwashing and that's why the Bush administration and 24 are joined at the hip in a coordinated propaganda assault against the American people.
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Ya gotta feel bad for Jack Bauer.

He's had quite a few really shitty days.
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Reply #23 - Jan 12th, 2009 at 12:21pm
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The Watson article pretty well lays it out.  If it's "just a TV show," why would West Point professors be concerned that cadets (our military's future leaders) believe that Bauer's lawless tactics are legitimate?  And what does the popularity of the show say about the moral condition of the US?  I'm not talking about the "petty morals" that Keith despises:  the "don't fuck, don't get high, don't rock" fundamentalist crap.  I'm talking about the values that used to separate us from the Nazis, the Red Chinese and the Spanish Inquisition.  The "anything goes if it's done for our side" attitude is the definition of tribalism.  The whole point of the Enlightenment was to move past that way of "thinking," or more precisely, reacting.  The tribalist response is always festering in the primordial ooze that is the human unconscious (see Wilhelm Reich's The Mass Psychology of Fascism).  Shows like "24" succeed by appealing to such base instincts.
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Jack should be President next year.  Then he will really be able to straighten some shit out, LOL!!!
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