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..........and if so , how will this affect The Rolling Stones next Tour ?


Developing ...........................


Shiver .......................

http://finance.yahoo.com/

" Stocks sink after government bailout of AIG "


" Wall Street tumbles again after government bails out AIG, Barclays buys Lehman businesses  "



" NEW YORK (AP) -- Wall Street stumbled again Wednesday, with anxieties about the financial system still running high after the government bailed out insurer American International Group Inc. The Dow Jones industrial average dropped about 280 points.
The Federal Reserve is giving a two-year, $85 billion loan to AIG in exchange for a nearly 80 percent stake in the company after it lost billions in the risky business of insuring against bond defaults. Wall Street had feared that the conglomerate, which has its tentacles in various financial services industries around the world, would follow the investment bank Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. into bankruptcy. The ramifications of the world's largest insurer going under likely would have far surpassed the demise of Lehman.

"People are scared to death," said Bill Stone, chief investment strategist for PNC Wealth Management. "Who would have imagined that AIG would have gotten into this position?"

He said the fear gripping the market reflects investors' concerns that AIG wasn't able to find a lifeline in the private sector and that Wall Street is now fretting about what other institutions could falter. "



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SPARE ME THE BULL, IT'S HAPPENING ON HIS WATCH

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In preparation for an inevitable monster inflation, I've decided to close my bank account.

I'll invest my money into three boxes of Australian baby bats. I'll move to some quiet place in the countryside to raise them - they just need some fruits to eat and stuffed socks to clutch. Once the crisis is over, I'll make shitloads of money selling them outside emo concerts. I'm all tingly !

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the crashing economy and inflation that is bound to follow will undoubtely decrease ticket prices on the next tour.
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" the crashing economy and inflation that is bound to follow will undoubtely decrease ticket prices on the next tour "


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the crashing economy and inflation that is bound to follow will undoubtely decrease ticket prices on the next tour.


Who's going to pay for the increase in tarp costs??
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Starbuck wrote on Sep 17th, 2008 at 1:51pm:
the crashing economy and inflation that is bound to follow will undoubtely decrease ticket prices on the next tour.


Who's going to pay for the increase in tarp costs??


let's all just pipe down and live for the day.

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" Who's going to pay for the increase in tarp costs??  "


Funny !!!!



FRIGGIN Funny !!!!!!


Right now every arena ( read : city  ) in America is WIDE OPEN ( Yes , even MSG ) .

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How do I sell my shares of AIG? I do now own some, right?
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How do I sell my shares of AIG? I do now own some, right?


Hey your portfolio is about to increase. Ford and GM have their hats in hand looking for 50 billion in hand outs. All because they were too stupid/greedy to diversify out of trucks and SUV's when everyone else was. I wanna crash my business to get me some gov't money. Corporate welfare RULES!!!!!
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" Hey your portfolio is about to increase. Ford and GM have their hats in hand looking for 50 billion in hand outs. All because they were too stupid/greedy to diversify out of trucks and SUV's when everyone else was. I wanna crash my business to get me some gov't money. Corporate welfare RULES!!!!! "

How can the government guarantee our money when it is Ten Friggin Trillion Dollars in Debt ?


http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np

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How can the government guarantee our money when it is Ten Friggin Trillion Dollars in Debt

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Magic. 10,20,30,50 trillion its all just a number. the country is too big to fail........
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Fess up, who is voting for a Congressional incumbent this year?  Seems to me they have all been asleep on the job.  Want change, that's the place to start.  Dump them all and send a message!



We need to take our country back... Damn staight. Term limits, even if we need to make it a national or state by state ballot issue. Fuck these assholes and their greedy lobbysits. I'm sick of it... Sick enough to fight a war, to take back my country... Be a real patriot, kill a lobbyist!!!!
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I'll drink to that Let's go get drunk...What else ya gonna do?


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" I'll drink to that Let's go get drunk...What else ya gonna do? "

NewCastle in hand as I type this dear reader .

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Yeah LJ. Enough  Let's go get drunk Better seen on weed! and it doesn't matter who wins LOL...
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Yeah LJ. Enough  Let's go get drunk Better seen on weed! and it doesn't matter who wins LOL...

Until it's not available anymore and that's good since you couldn't pay for it anyway. Just loan and lend I say to all major central banks!! It's been proven to be a great strategy for the world. And hey, if everything collapses, just print some more of those dollars so people have at least those little worthless papers to eat.  Wow!
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Until it's not available anymore and that's good since you couldn't pay for it anyway. Just loan and lend I say to all major central banks!! It's been proven to be a great strategy for the world. And hey, if everything collapses, just print some more of those dollars so people have at least those little worthless papers to eat.  "


Good Morning Angie !!!!


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the economy got drunk, wall street got drunk... ya'll are drunk and now got a hangover. it's a simple as pie, just don't complain about the CEO's, veeps and others who got such big chunks of the pie. You're drunk, you don't want any pie... you want something else, you want cheap shares of AIG, that you now own, in theory. Speaking of sharing, how about we all just share the responsibility, we will have to pay for this, so, we can cut some things out of the budget. Schools, first responders, public works projects (unless they are pork)... Now go get drunk, and we'll just sit out this 5 to 10 year shit storm by forming commitess and blaming someone else, this will greatly improve the hard times. You really can't enjoy hard economic times without some could old anger, and what better than to get drunk and be angry at someone... Ya'll see, you got drunk and gave the economy a hangover!!!

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" did the economic stimulus packages work or not ? "


< ---- Tough to say . Please give me about ten to twelve more and I can then evaluate .



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I read a GOP dude said recently the "recession" was all in people's minds and a result of whingers.

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The SEC is banning short sales of financial stocks!!! What kind of commie free market is this shit?!!!? I'm all for banning naked short sellers but to ban all shorts!!??!?! Socialism is here kids!

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Commentary: By curbing all shorts, the U.S. is manipulating the market
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Last update: 9:32 a.m. EDT Sept. 19, 2008NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- When Russia shut down its stock markets to avoid the global collapse sweeping the markets earlier this week, most of Wall Street shook its head.

The move smacked of totalitarianism and artificial manipulation, such a brazen intervention wouldn't happen in a free market.
Well, the Russians are having a good chuckle after Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman Christopher Cox, following the lead of the U.K.'s Financial Services Authority, initiated a ban in short selling for 799 U.S. financial institutions including Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs Group Inc.  and Washington Mutual Inc.

The move smacks of irony on several fronts. For one, institutions such as Morgan and Goldman regularly practice short-selling as part of their proprietary trading strategies. These firms made billions in profits by running hedge funds or serving them through prime brokerage operations. They shrugged when companies complained that short sellers were ruining their companies.
Now, Morgan's John Mack and Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman not only won a ban of naked shorting, but of all shorting of their industry. They also have persuaded New York State Attorney General Andrew Cuomo to investigate short selling in the market place.

Remember, short selling is perfectly legal. Manipulating prices through rumor isn't. But what is the SEC banning?
Eric Newman, portfolio manager at TFS Capital, said the SEC is doing exactly what claims to be against -- manipulating the markets and propping up ailing financial companies. They're doing it because the banks are essentially backed by taxpayers and have become politically important.

Our complaint through history about countries that try to influence their markets by changing the rules mid-game was that it was tantamount to cheating. For all of its faults, the U.S. markets were supposed to be the most level playing fields in the world.
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al is going to get his ass brutally handed to him by a moderately unpopular senator who has about six barmaids that he sleeps with besides his wife...what does that say about our previously populist democrat state?!?!

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Even though federal employees aren't supposed to campaign for candidates, in partisan elections, this creepy guy I work with has actually gone to your state to campaign for AF. I can't see him getting elected either.
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Even though federal employees aren't supposed to campaign for candidates, in partisan elections, this creepy guy I work with has actually gone to your state to campaign for AF. I can't see him getting elected either.


AF is in a statistical tie with Coleman. . .
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" AF is in a statistical tie with Coleman. . . "


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" St. Paul, Minn. — The poll found 41 percent support Al Franken and 40 percent support Norm Coleman.

It's a survey of 763 likely Minnesota voters between Aug. 7 and 17. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.6 percentage points.

"Coming into this poll, I was frankly assuming that Al Franken was in trouble," said University of Minnesota political scientist Lawrence Jacobs, who directed the poll.  "

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al is going to get his ass brutally handed to him by a moderately unpopular senator who has about six barmaids that he sleeps with besides his wife...what does that say about our previously populist democrat state?!?!

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the franken-coleman race is getting really nasty....millions have been spent....laundry has been aired....franken has won over the talking fish vote, but norm has drunk bowlers in his back pocket. did you know al wrote porn? neither did i!!
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WASHINGTON - The Bush administration asked Congress on Saturday for the power to buy $700 billion in toxic assets clogging the financial system and threatening the economy as negotiations began on the largest bailout since the Great Depression.

The rescue plan would give Washington broad authority to purchase bad mortgage-related assets from U.S. financial institutions for the next two years. It does not specify which institutions qualify or what, if anything, the government would get in return for the unprecedented infusion.

Congressional aides and administration officials tried to fill in the details of the proposal. The White House hoped for a deal with Congress by the time markets opened Monday; top lawmakers say they would push to enact the plan as early as the coming week.

"We're going to work with Congress to get a bill done quickly," President Bush said at the White House. Without discussing specifics, he said, "This is a big package because it was a big problem."

But lawmakers digesting the eye-popping cost and searching for specifics voiced concerns that the proposal offers no help for struggling homeowners or safeguards for taxpayers' money. Democrats say it must include mortgage help so borrowers facing foreclosure can stay in their homes.

"This is a good foundation of a plan that can stabilize markets quickly. But it includes no visible protection for taxpayers or homeowners," Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said in a statement.

The proposal would raise the statutory limit on the national debt from $10.6 trillion to $11.3 trillion to make room for the massive rescue.

"The American people are furious that we're in this situation, and so am I. We need to do everything possible to protect the taxpayers from the consequences of a broken Washington," the House's top Republican, Ohio Rep. John A. Boehner, said in a statement.

Signaling what could erupt into a brutal fight with Democrats over add-ons, Boehner said that "efforts to exploit this crisis for political leverage or partisan quid pro quo will only delay the economic stability that families, seniors, and small businesses deserve."

Bush said he worried the financial troubles "could ripple throughout" the economy and affect average citizens. "The risk of doing nothing far outweighs the risk of the package. ... Over time, we're going to get a lot of the money back."

He added, "People are beginning to doubt our system, people were losing confidence and I understand it's important to have confidence in our financial system."

Democratic Sen. Max Baucus of Montana, the Senate Finance Committee chairman, said he would push to add measures "that keep the burden of this bailout off taxpayers, mostly by making reasonable requirements of the companies asking for this emergency help."

Neither presidential candidate took a position on the proposal. GOP nominee John McCain said he was awaiting specifics and any changes by Congress. "This financial crisis requires leadership and action in order to restore a sound foundation to financial markets, get our economy on its feet, and eliminate this burden on hardworking middle-class Americans," McCain said in a statement.

Democratic rival Barack Obama used the party's weekly radio address to call for help for Main Street as well as Wall Street.

"We need to help people cope with rising gas and food prices, spark job creation by repairing our schools and our roads, help states avoid painful budget cuts and tax increases, and help homeowners stay in their homes," Obama said. "And we must also ensure that the solution we design doesn't reward particular companies, or irresponsible borrowers or lenders, or CEOs, some of whom helped cause this mess."

Bush, too, said he acted because he was concerned about Main Street, and that what happens on Wall Street affects Main Street.

Their language reflected a tricky balance that politicians in both parties are trying to strike, just six weeks before Election Day: back a plan that doles out hundreds of billions to companies that made bad bets and still identify with the plight of middle-class voters during tough economic times.

Besides mortgage help, Democrats also are considering attaching additional middle-class assistance to the legislation despite a request from Bush to avoid adding controversial items that could delay action. An expansion of jobless benefits was one possibility.

Bush sidestepped questions about the chances of adding such items, saying that now was not the time for political posturing. "I think most leaders would understand we need to get this done quickly, and you know, the cleaner the better," he said about legislation being drafted.

The draft does not specify which financial institutions would be eligible for the help, leaving open the question of whether hedge funds or pension funds could qualify. Congressional aides said that omission appeared to be by design, as the question of who could get help under the bailout is still up for negotiation.

The proposal does not require that the government receive anything from banks in return for unloading their bad assets. But it would allow the Treasury Department to designate financial institutions as "agents of the government," and mandate that they perform any "reasonable duties" that might entail.

The government could contract with private companies to manage the assets once it purchased them.

Describing the plan to lawmakers via conference call on Friday, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said the government would in essence set up reverse auctions, putting up money for a class of distressed assets — such as loans that are delinquent but not in default — and financial institutions would compete for how little they would accept.

If enacted, the plan would give the treasury secretary broad power to buy, manage and sell the mortgage-related investments without any additional involvement by lawmakers. It would, however, require that the congressional committees with oversight on budget, tax and financial services issues be briefed within three months of the government's first use of the rescue power, and every six months after that.

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< ----- Frig . We ARE going Bankrupt .


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Kin's I finished HH and they said they have no change...................................

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My son said he chose radford to go to school cause it's a party school...............

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the economy is tanking! the republic is doomed!

today, as i was walking through the halls of school, i pulled down a sign hanging on the wall amidst the other election signs (it's student council election time of the year, and the hallways are peppered with "vote for me for class president" signs...). this sign had a pic of the principal's head photoshopped onto a guy in full russian military regailia...the sign read "down with the czar! end the repression!" on it....the Rs and Ns were backwards, all russian style. i took it into the office and had a good laugh with the principal's secretary and one of the counselors.
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did the economic stimulus packages work or not?


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This is the best cliff note version of exactly why this happened. Partisan? Not really, unless you think that telling the truth is partisanship.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o



Hard to argue with the events and facts that led up to the shit storm we are now dealing with.

It's kind of funny that the Democrat held congress hasn't convened a Congressional Grand Jury. Wonder why? It took them no time to investigate Enron with proctological detail. This clusterfuck makes Enron look like a lemonade stand. Yet no congressional investigation. Weird. Huh?


Watch the video.


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< ---- Joey has a horrific hangover today .


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i don't know maybe jokes about the present situation over there aren't considered too funny (i'm surprised none of you have mentioned it) but i had to laugh when i read in the national weekend paaper down here that the response to the crisis put forward by Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson is called the Troubled Asset Relief Programme or (get this) TARP

i mean bloody hell, is the US government taking PR if not fiscal advice from Michael Cohl?? - if you want to make things appear better and more profitable than they really are put up some "tarps"!!






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i mean bloody hell, is the US government taking PR if not fiscal advice from Michael Cohl?? - if you want to make things appear better and more profitable than they really are put up some "tarps"!!  "


Now that IS Funny .


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This is the best cliff note version of exactly why this happened. Partisan? Not really, unless you think that telling the truth is partisanship.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o



Hard to argue with the events and facts that led up to the shit storm we are now dealing with.

It's kind of funny that the Democrat held congress hasn't convened a Congressional Grand Jury. Wonder why? It took them no time to investigate Enron with proctological detail. This clusterfuck makes Enron look like a lemonade stand. Yet no congressional investigation. Weird. Huh?


Watch the video.


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God Riffy I hope you don't make your investment decisions based on you tube videos you've watched! Try Business Week, Barrons or WSJ to get your financial facts. . . .they are much more qualified to explain complex financial issues than posted youtube video analysis.

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" House defeats $700B financial markets bailout By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS, Associated Press Writer
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" The House on Monday defeated a $700 billion emergency rescue package, ignoring urgent pleas from President Bush and bipartisan congressional leaders to quickly bail out the staggering financial industry.

Stocks plummeted on Wall Street even before the 228-205 vote to reject the bill was announced on the House floor.

When the critical vote was tallied, too few members of the House were willing to support the unpopular measure with elections just five weeks away. Ample no votes came from both the Democratic and Republican sides of the aisle.

Bush and a host of leading congressional figures had implored the lawmakers to pass the legislation despite howls of protest from their constituents back home.

The overriding question for congressional leaders was what to do next. Congress has been trying to adjourn so that its members can go out and campaign. And with only five weeks left until Election Day, there was no clear indication of whether the leadership would keep them in Washington. Leaders were huddling after the vote to figure out their next steps.

Monday's mind-numbing vote had been preceded by unusually aggressive White House lobbying, and spokesman Tony Fratto said that Bush had used a "call list" of people he wanted to persuade to vote yes as late as just a short time before the vote.

Lawmakers shouted news of the plummeting Dow Jones average as lawmakers crowded on the House floor during the drawn-out and tense call of the roll, which dragged on for roughly 40 minutes as leaders on both sides scrambled to corral enough of their rank-and-file members to support the deeply unpopular measure.

They found only two.

Bush and his economic advisers, as well as congressional leaders in both parties had argued the plan was vital to insulating ordinary Americans from the effects of Wall Street's bad bets. The version that was up for vote Monday was the product of marathon closed-door negotiations on Capitol Hill over the weekend.

"We're all worried about losing our jobs," Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., declared in an impassioned speech in support of the bill before the vote. "Most of us say, 'I want this thing to pass, but I want you to vote for it — not me.' "

With their dire warnings of impending economic doom and their sweeping request for unprecedented sums of money and authority to bail out cash-starved financial firms, Bush and his economic chiefs have focused the attention of world markets on Congress, Ryan added.

"We're in this moment, and if we fail to do the right thing, Heaven help us," he said.

The legislation the administration is promoting would allow the government to buy bad mortgages and other rotten assets held by troubled banks and financial institutions. Getting those debts off their books should bolster those companies' balance sheets, making them more inclined to lend and easing one of the biggest choke points in the credit crisis. If the plan works, it should help lift a major weight off the national economy that is already sputtering.

The fear in the financial markets send the Dow Jones industrials cascading down by as over 700 points at one juncture. As the vote was shown on TV, stocks plunged and investors fled to the safety of the credit markets, worrying that the financial system would keep sinking under the weight of failed mortgage debt. "


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" House defeats $700B financial markets bailout By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS, Associated Press Writer
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The bailout was a hustle anyway. Let the free markets do their thing and punish the reckless companys. Try a bailout after the crash and election!
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The bailout was a hustle anyway. Let the free markets do their thing and punish the reckless companys. Try a bailout after the crash and election!

True dat. Trying to put off a crisis in whatever form only means a more devastating crisis. They already made it this bad with their artificial money shuffeling in the past decennia. Don't make it worse. We all have to bite the sour apple some day, as we say. Better sooner than later.
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Scary times..who knows the effect now.Treasury Sec Paulson will have his resignation on Bush's desk tonight.

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Taco Bell is about it right now.North of Perimeter nothing. Im on half a tank..maybe last till Wed. Good luck my friend.

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You going conspiracy? Might as well watch the 7 minute film, shocking enough. I love it!
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=kieyjfZDUIc


They are already planning for the social unrest by using US troops for policing on US soil. . .in clear violation of the Posse Comitatus Act. You think it's a coincidence that their tour of "duty" starts on Wed?

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1

3rd Infantry’s 1st BCT trains for a new dwell-time mission. Helping ‘people at home’ may become a permanent part of the active Army
By Gina Cavallaro - Staff writer
Posted : Monday Sep 8, 2008 6:15:06 EDT
 
The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.

Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.

Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

It is not the first time an active-duty unit has been tapped to help at home. In August 2005, for example, when Hurricane Katrina unleashed hell in Mississippi and Louisiana, several active-duty units were pulled from various posts and mobilized to those areas.

But this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.

After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one.

“Right now, the response force requirement will be an enduring mission. How the [Defense Department] chooses to source that and whether or not they continue to assign them to NorthCom, that could change in the future,” said Army Col. Louis Vogler, chief of NorthCom future operations. “Now, the plan is to assign a force every year.”

The command is at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs, Colo., but the soldiers with 1st BCT, who returned in April after 15 months in Iraq, will operate out of their home post at Fort Stewart, Ga., where they’ll be able to go to school, spend time with their families and train for their new homeland mission as well as the counterinsurgency mission in the war zones.

Stop-loss will not be in effect, so soldiers will be able to leave the Army or move to new assignments during the mission, and the operational tempo will be variable.

Don’t look for any extra time off, though. The at-home mission does not take the place of scheduled combat-zone deployments and will take place during the so-called dwell time a unit gets to reset and regenerate after a deployment.

The 1st of the 3rd is still scheduled to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan in early 2010, which means the soldiers will have been home a minimum of 20 months by the time they ship out.

In the meantime, they’ll learn new skills, use some of the ones they acquired in the war zone and more than likely will not be shot at while doing any of it.

They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.

Training for homeland scenarios has already begun at Fort Stewart and includes specialty tasks such as knowing how to use the “jaws of life” to extract a person from a mangled vehicle; extra medical training for a CBRNE incident; and working with U.S. Forestry Service experts on how to go in with chainsaws and cut and clear trees to clear a road or area.

The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

“It’s a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they’re fielding. They’ve been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we’re undertaking we were the first to get it.”

The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets.

“I was the first guy in the brigade to get Tasered,” said Cloutier, describing the experience as “your worst muscle cramp ever — times 10 throughout your whole body.

“I’m not a small guy, I weigh 230 pounds ... it put me on my knees in seconds.”

The brigade will not change its name, but the force will be known for the next year as a CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, or CCMRF (pronounced “sea-smurf”).

“I can’t think of a more noble mission than this,” said Cloutier, who took command in July. “We’ve been all over the world during this time of conflict, but now our mission is to take care of citizens at home ... and depending on where an event occurred, you’re going home to take care of your home town, your loved ones.”

While soldiers’ combat training is applicable, he said, some nuances don’t apply.

“If we go in, we’re going in to help American citizens on American soil, to save lives, provide critical life support, help clear debris, restore normalcy and support whatever local agencies need us to do, so it’s kind of a different role,” said Cloutier, who, as the division operations officer on the last rotation, learned of the homeland mission a few months ago while they were still in Iraq.

Some brigade elements will be on call around the clock, during which time they’ll do their regular marksmanship, gunnery and other deployment training. That’s because the unit will continue to train and reset for the next deployment, even as it serves in its CCMRF mission.

Should personnel be needed at an earthquake in California, for example, all or part of the brigade could be scrambled there, depending on the extent of the need and the specialties involved.

Other branches included
The active Army’s new dwell-time mission is part of a NorthCom and DOD response package.

Active-duty soldiers will be part of a force that includes elements from other military branches and dedicated National Guard Weapons of Mass Destruction-Civil Support Teams.

A final mission rehearsal exercise is scheduled for mid-September at Fort Stewart and will be run by Joint Task Force Civil Support, a unit based out of Fort Monroe, Va., that will coordinate and evaluate the interservice event.

In addition to 1st BCT, other Army units will take part in the two-week training exercise, including elements of the 1st Medical Brigade out of Fort Hood, Texas, and the 82nd Combat Aviation Brigade from Fort Bragg, N.C.

There also will be Air Force engineer and medical units, the Marine Corps Chemical, Biological Initial Reaction Force, a Navy weather team and members of the Defense Logistics Agency and the Defense Threat Reduction Agency.

One of the things Vogler said they’ll be looking at is communications capabilities between the services.

“It is a concern, and we’re trying to check that and one of the ways we do that is by having these sorts of exercises. Leading up to this, we are going to rehearse and set up some of the communications systems to make sure we have interoperability,” he said.

“I don’t know what America’s overall plan is — I just know that 24 hours a day, seven days a week, there are soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines that are standing by to come and help if they’re called,” Cloutier said. “It makes me feel good as an American to know that my country has dedicated a force to come in and help the people at home.”
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You going conspiracy? Might as well watch the 7 minute film, shocking enough. I love it!
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They are already planning for the social unrest by using US troops for policing on US soil. . .in clear violation of the Posse Comitatus Act. You think it's a coincidence that their tour of "duty" starts on Wed?

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1

3rd Infantry’s 1st BCT trains for a new dwell-time mission. Helping ‘people at home’ may become a permanent part of the active Army
By Gina Cavallaro - Staff writer
Posted : Monday Sep 8, 2008 6:15:06 EDT
 
The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.

Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.

Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

It is not the first time an active-duty unit has been tapped to help at home. In August 2005, for example, when Hurricane Katrina unleashed hell in Mississippi and Louisiana, several active-duty units were pulled from various posts and mobilized to those areas.

But this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.

After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one.

“Right now, the response force requirement will be an enduring mission. How the [Defense Department] chooses to source that and whether or not they continue to assign them to NorthCom, that could change in the future,” said Army Col. Louis Vogler, chief of NorthCom future operations. “Now, the plan is to assign a force every year.”

The command is at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs, Colo., but the soldiers with 1st BCT, who returned in April after 15 months in Iraq, will operate out of their home post at Fort Stewart, Ga., where they’ll be able to go to school, spend time with their families and train for their new homeland mission as well as the counterinsurgency mission in the war zones.

Stop-loss will not be in effect, so soldiers will be able to leave the Army or move to new assignments during the mission, and the operational tempo will be variable.

Don’t look for any extra time off, though. The at-home mission does not take the place of scheduled combat-zone deployments and will take place during the so-called dwell time a unit gets to reset and regenerate after a deployment.

The 1st of the 3rd is still scheduled to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan in early 2010, which means the soldiers will have been home a minimum of 20 months by the time they ship out.

In the meantime, they’ll learn new skills, use some of the ones they acquired in the war zone and more than likely will not be shot at while doing any of it.

They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.

Training for homeland scenarios has already begun at Fort Stewart and includes specialty tasks such as knowing how to use the “jaws of life” to extract a person from a mangled vehicle; extra medical training for a CBRNE incident; and working with U.S. Forestry Service experts on how to go in with chainsaws and cut and clear trees to clear a road or area.

The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

“It’s a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they’re fielding. They’ve been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we’re undertaking we were the first to get it.”

The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets.

“I was the first guy in the brigade to get Tasered,” said Cloutier, describing the experience as “your worst muscle cramp ever — times 10 throughout your whole body.

“I’m not a small guy, I weigh 230 pounds ... it put me on my knees in seconds.”

The brigade will not change its name, but the force will be known for the next year as a CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, or CCMRF (pronounced “sea-smurf”).

“I can’t think of a more noble mission than this,” said Cloutier, who took command in July. “We’ve been all over the world during this time of conflict, but now our mission is to take care of citizens at home ... and depending on where an event occurred, you’re going home to take care of your home town, your loved ones.”

While soldiers’ combat training is applicable, he said, some nuances don’t apply.

“If we go in, we’re going in to help American citizens on American soil, to save lives, provide critical life support, help clear debris, restore normalcy and support whatever local agencies need us to do, so it’s kind of a different role,” said Cloutier, who, as the division operations officer on the last rotation, learned of the homeland mission a few months ago while they were still in Iraq.

Some brigade elements will be on call around the clock, during which time they’ll do their regular marksmanship, gunnery and other deployment training. That’s because the unit will continue to train and reset for the next deployment, even as it serves in its CCMRF mission.

Should personnel be needed at an earthquake in California, for example, all or part of the brigade could be scrambled there, depending on the extent of the need and the specialties involved.

Other branches included
The active Army’s new dwell-time mission is part of a NorthCom and DOD response package.

Active-duty soldiers will be part of a force that includes elements from other military branches and dedicated National Guard Weapons of Mass Destruction-Civil Support Teams.

A final mission rehearsal exercise is scheduled for mid-September at Fort Stewart and will be run by Joint Task Force Civil Support, a unit based out of Fort Monroe, Va., that will coordinate and evaluate the interservice event.

In addition to 1st BCT, other Army units will take part in the two-week training exercise, including elements of the 1st Medical Brigade out of Fort Hood, Texas, and the 82nd Combat Aviation Brigade from Fort Bragg, N.C.

There also will be Air Force engineer and medical units, the Marine Corps Chemical, Biological Initial Reaction Force, a Navy weather team and members of the Defense Logistics Agency and the Defense Threat Reduction Agency.

One of the things Vogler said they’ll be looking at is communications capabilities between the services.

“It is a concern, and we’re trying to check that and one of the ways we do that is by having these sorts of exercises. Leading up to this, we are going to rehearse and set up some of the communications systems to make sure we have interoperability,” he said.

“I don’t know what America’s overall plan is — I just know that 24 hours a day, seven days a week, there are soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines that are standing by to come and help if they’re called,” Cloutier said. “It makes me feel good as an American to know that my country has dedicated a force to come in and help the people at home.”

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Highly recommended reading for our current situation. . .

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You going conspiracy? Might as well watch the 7 minute film, shocking enough. I love it!
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=kieyjfZDUIc


They are already planning for the social unrest by using US troops for policing on US soil. . .in clear violation of the Posse Comitatus Act. You think it's a coincidence that their tour of "duty" starts on Wed?

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1

3rd Infantry’s 1st BCT trains for a new dwell-time mission. Helping ‘people at home’ may become a permanent part of the active Army
By Gina Cavallaro - Staff writer
Posted : Monday Sep 8, 2008 6:15:06 EDT
 
The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.

Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.

Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

It is not the first time an active-duty unit has been tapped to help at home. In August 2005, for example, when Hurricane Katrina unleashed hell in Mississippi and Louisiana, several active-duty units were pulled from various posts and mobilized to those areas.

But this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.

After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one.

“Right now, the response force requirement will be an enduring mission. How the [Defense Department] chooses to source that and whether or not they continue to assign them to NorthCom, that could change in the future,” said Army Col. Louis Vogler, chief of NorthCom future operations. “Now, the plan is to assign a force every year.”

The command is at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs, Colo., but the soldiers with 1st BCT, who returned in April after 15 months in Iraq, will operate out of their home post at Fort Stewart, Ga., where they’ll be able to go to school, spend time with their families and train for their new homeland mission as well as the counterinsurgency mission in the war zones.

Stop-loss will not be in effect, so soldiers will be able to leave the Army or move to new assignments during the mission, and the operational tempo will be variable.

Don’t look for any extra time off, though. The at-home mission does not take the place of scheduled combat-zone deployments and will take place during the so-called dwell time a unit gets to reset and regenerate after a deployment.

The 1st of the 3rd is still scheduled to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan in early 2010, which means the soldiers will have been home a minimum of 20 months by the time they ship out.

In the meantime, they’ll learn new skills, use some of the ones they acquired in the war zone and more than likely will not be shot at while doing any of it.

They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.

Training for homeland scenarios has already begun at Fort Stewart and includes specialty tasks such as knowing how to use the “jaws of life” to extract a person from a mangled vehicle; extra medical training for a CBRNE incident; and working with U.S. Forestry Service experts on how to go in with chainsaws and cut and clear trees to clear a road or area.

The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

“It’s a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they’re fielding. They’ve been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we’re undertaking we were the first to get it.”

The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets.

“I was the first guy in the brigade to get Tasered,” said Cloutier, describing the experience as “your worst muscle cramp ever — times 10 throughout your whole body.

“I’m not a small guy, I weigh 230 pounds ... it put me on my knees in seconds.”

The brigade will not change its name, but the force will be known for the next year as a CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, or CCMRF (pronounced “sea-smurf”).

“I can’t think of a more noble mission than this,” said Cloutier, who took command in July. “We’ve been all over the world during this time of conflict, but now our mission is to take care of citizens at home ... and depending on where an event occurred, you’re going home to take care of your home town, your loved ones.”

While soldiers’ combat training is applicable, he said, some nuances don’t apply.

“If we go in, we’re going in to help American citizens on American soil, to save lives, provide critical life support, help clear debris, restore normalcy and support whatever local agencies need us to do, so it’s kind of a different role,” said Cloutier, who, as the division operations officer on the last rotation, learned of the homeland mission a few months ago while they were still in Iraq.

Some brigade elements will be on call around the clock, during which time they’ll do their regular marksmanship, gunnery and other deployment training. That’s because the unit will continue to train and reset for the next deployment, even as it serves in its CCMRF mission.

Should personnel be needed at an earthquake in California, for example, all or part of the brigade could be scrambled there, depending on the extent of the need and the specialties involved.

Other branches included
The active Army’s new dwell-time mission is part of a NorthCom and DOD response package.

Active-duty soldiers will be part of a force that includes elements from other military branches and dedicated National Guard Weapons of Mass Destruction-Civil Support Teams.

A final mission rehearsal exercise is scheduled for mid-September at Fort Stewart and will be run by Joint Task Force Civil Support, a unit based out of Fort Monroe, Va., that will coordinate and evaluate the interservice event.

In addition to 1st BCT, other Army units will take part in the two-week training exercise, including elements of the 1st Medical Brigade out of Fort Hood, Texas, and the 82nd Combat Aviation Brigade from Fort Bragg, N.C.

There also will be Air Force engineer and medical units, the Marine Corps Chemical, Biological Initial Reaction Force, a Navy weather team and members of the Defense Logistics Agency and the Defense Threat Reduction Agency.

One of the things Vogler said they’ll be looking at is communications capabilities between the services.

“It is a concern, and we’re trying to check that and one of the ways we do that is by having these sorts of exercises. Leading up to this, we are going to rehearse and set up some of the communications systems to make sure we have interoperability,” he said.

“I don’t know what America’s overall plan is — I just know that 24 hours a day, seven days a week, there are soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines that are standing by to come and help if they’re called,” Cloutier said. “It makes me feel good as an American to know that my country has dedicated a force to come in and help the people at home.”

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Do ya wanna see what really happened to our economy? Do you wanna really put the blame where it properly belongs? In other words do ya wanna take a look at the facts instead of the partisan spin? Well then cast your eyes on these videos that show unequivically why the Democrats are fully to blamec for the sub prime mess that led to this whole clusterfuck.


Here are Republicans trying in vain to warn about the coming crisis brought on by Fannie and Freddie. Please take special not of how every single Democrat denies a problem exists, and then reject a Republican call for more regulations and oversite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p1Wc2NFa3w&feature=related&ytsession=Xj82VFXNXxF...

And then there's this. The oh-so-predictable outcome.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZoVgw3inA8&feature=related


Now please help me to understand why anyone would stupid enough to vote for Barry when the facts so clearly show that he was on the take from Fannie, and eventually hired the very guys that helped start it all to begin with.


It's time to place the blame alright! We're mere weks away from voting for future of our country and I, for one, will never vote for a party that clearly puts politics over country at every single turn.


Facts. Just the facts.




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Oh, and you may also want to check this article. This article points to ,get this, more of Obama's relationship with groups that also helped start this whole shit storm. So tell me again, how can anyone vote for Obama knowing the facts about him? Surley it's not because some people are just too damned stupid to let facts get in the way of voting partisan?! The guy's a fucking joke, and a Marxist and people had better wake up to this factor we're all fucked.


Barry's other friends-->http://www.nypost.com/seven/09292008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/os_dangerous_pal...



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Does it really matter who's to blame anymore? Stop fucking pointing fingers and fix this shit. I say throw every fucking politician.Republican and Democrat out when you vote in Nov. They are playing politics with our FUCKING lives here.
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Does it really matter who's to blame anymore? Stop fucking pointing fingers and fix this shit. I say throw every fucking politician.Republican and Democrat out when you vote in Nov. They are playing politics with our FUCKING lives here.



Oh I agree with you there. However, it is very important to see why we got in this mess, and where the power players ended up. In other words, Franklin Raines now works for Obama. Jim Johnson also worked for Obama. Barney Frank and Chris Dodd tried like hell to stop any and all regulation pushed for by Republicans. They succeeded. Now we are left holding the bag, and Republicans warned of this exact outcome going as far back 2001!!!

As we are only weeks away from voting for POTUS I want to make damn sure that everyone knows why we got to where we are at.


The Democrats basically played politics with outr finacial future by pressuring banks into granting loans to people who could never afford to pay them back. Fannie and Freddie, under Democrat leadership, bought up all these piss poor loans. The board members got serious bonus checks. Democrats got a nice little kick back, and we got handed the bill!


Which party tried to stop this shit? Which party bought low income votes with tax payer funded houses? You'd have to be blind not see what as led to this mess, but for some reason the media is not reminding anyone about the genesis of it all. I guess the media has a horse in this race and they want him to win at any cost. If that means trying to lay blame on Bush, and by insinuation McCain so be it. It's pure bullshit!



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Riffy how are you writing all this shit when I'm listening to you in the radio right now? I even heard you say clusterfvck or clusterpluck or whatever lingo you used on the airwaves! 401K and all the shit thats going on! PLAY SATISFACTION FOR ME ~~ I cant get no, no no no satisfaction, my business is in the toilet bowl with this fvcking economy, it sucks!
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Bitch wrote on Sep 29th, 2008 at 7:04pm:
Riffy how are you writing all this shit when I'm listening to you in the radio right now? I even heard you say clusterfvck or clusterpluck or whatever lingo you used on the airwaves! 401K and all the shit thats going on! PLAY SATISFACTION FOR ME ~~ I cant get no, no no no satisfaction, my business is in the toilet bowl with this fvcking economy, it sucks!




LOL! I'll try and get something on for ya Bitch.



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Which party tried to stop this shit? Which party bought low income votes with tax payer funded houses?



Neither.  You're a dinosaur that time has left behind.....
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Which party tried to stop this shit? Which party bought low income votes with tax payer funded houses?



Neither.  You're a dinosaur that time has left behind.....



Right. Facts be damned! Full speed ahead!


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Yes the poor helpless president couldn't do anything to stop these omnipotent senators. He raised taxes, encouraged savings and limited government spending. LOL!!
More Barrons, Business Week and WSJ, less Youtube factfinding for you man!
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Yes the poor helpless president couldn't do anything to stop these omnipotent senators. He raised taxes, encouraged savings and limited government spending. LOL!!
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You won't find me defending Bush's handling of this. No doubt the administration has it's share of blame in this too. However, Bush did not start or advance this crap. He tried in vain on at least 12 documented occassions to impose more oversight and regulation. Guess who shot that down?

I am just pointing out the fact that those that were involved in this whole ponzi scheme are now the same one's claiming to have the fix for the economy! Barrack Obama has direct links to ACORN, Franklin Raines, and James Johnson and everyone of them has the stench of corruption on their hands.


In the first proposal ACORN alone stood to get 20 billion dollars! Obama and ACORN's relationship is tighter than a tick's ass, and should be fully explored by the media. My bet is that that won't happen.


Bush was ready to sell the open market down the river, and I'm damned glad that the House Repubs bailed on this socialist sell out. I do feel that Bush feels his hands are tied and must agree with any deal at all. Lame leadership.


The Democrats see a huge check coming their way. Imagine all the government programs that they aready have dancing in their pointed little heads! All for our own good, of course! Kinda like the genius plan of forced lending to poor credit candidates! My main concern is handing the fox the keys to the hen house again. Barney Frank and Chriss Dodd should be nowhere near these negotiations. In fact they should be drawing up their resignation letters. For that matter Barrack Obama needs to explain his ties with all these crooks. Again, my bet is he won't and the media will give him another in their long list of passes.



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You funny!


you made a grown man cry



That was nice the way you so obviously took that quote out of context. You must be a lawyer or something.



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You won't find me defending Bush's handling of this. No doubt the administration has it's share of blame in this too. However, Bush did not start or advance this crap. He tried in vain on at least 12 documented occassions to impose more oversight and regulation. Guess who shot that down?
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Well, I certainly ain't no expert in economics and politics, let alone American economics and politics, but didn't this mess start way way earlier? I think it's been a pattern developing over the last few decennia right? And that's Democrats AND Republicans. They're both from the right half of the wing anyway from a European point of view, so it's not that surprising that their way of handeling things differs less than many might think imo. They all went full steam ahead with (overseas) borrowing and loans and fake short term positive figures.

Consumer credit incl. mortgages has been around a lot longer than 8 or 16 years. And so has deregulation and lack of external (independant?) monitoring of the financial institutes.

Experts from BOTH sides have been warning for this bubble burst for many years already. We need to fix this now cause it's hurting all of us, and not just the US. Banks are starting keeling over here too. Too bad there are election coming up so soon in this regard, I hope those won't influence too much any decision making needed.

Sigh, exciting times, with this crisis and elections, for sure!
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" Experts from BOTH sides have been warning for this bubble burst for many years already. We need to fix this now cause it's hurting all of us, and not just the US. Banks are starting keeling over here too. Too bad there are election coming up so soon in this regard, I hope those won't influence too much any decision making needed.

Sigh, exciting times, with this crisis and elections, for sure! "


Great Postin' . Outstanding .


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Dollar's getting weaker and today my coworkers have been browsing Ebay for bargains...  Grin
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Highly recommended reading for our current situation. . .

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You going conspiracy? Might as well watch the 7 minute film, shocking enough. I love it!
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They are already planning for the social unrest by using US troops for policing on US soil. . .in clear violation of the Posse Comitatus Act. You think it's a coincidence that their tour of "duty" starts on Wed?

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Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1

3rd Infantry’s 1st BCT trains for a new dwell-time mission. Helping ‘people at home’ may become a permanent part of the active Army
By Gina Cavallaro - Staff writer
Posted : Monday Sep 8, 2008 6:15:06 EDT
 
The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.

Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.

Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

It is not the first time an active-duty unit has been tapped to help at home. In August 2005, for example, when Hurricane Katrina unleashed hell in Mississippi and Louisiana, several active-duty units were pulled from various posts and mobilized to those areas.

But this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.

After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one.

“Right now, the response force requirement will be an enduring mission. How the [Defense Department] chooses to source that and whether or not they continue to assign them to NorthCom, that could change in the future,” said Army Col. Louis Vogler, chief of NorthCom future operations. “Now, the plan is to assign a force every year.”

The command is at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs, Colo., but the soldiers with 1st BCT, who returned in April after 15 months in Iraq, will operate out of their home post at Fort Stewart, Ga., where they’ll be able to go to school, spend time with their families and train for their new homeland mission as well as the counterinsurgency mission in the war zones.

Stop-loss will not be in effect, so soldiers will be able to leave the Army or move to new assignments during the mission, and the operational tempo will be variable.

Don’t look for any extra time off, though. The at-home mission does not take the place of scheduled combat-zone deployments and will take place during the so-called dwell time a unit gets to reset and regenerate after a deployment.

The 1st of the 3rd is still scheduled to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan in early 2010, which means the soldiers will have been home a minimum of 20 months by the time they ship out.

In the meantime, they’ll learn new skills, use some of the ones they acquired in the war zone and more than likely will not be shot at while doing any of it.

They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.

Training for homeland scenarios has already begun at Fort Stewart and includes specialty tasks such as knowing how to use the “jaws of life” to extract a person from a mangled vehicle; extra medical training for a CBRNE incident; and working with U.S. Forestry Service experts on how to go in with chainsaws and cut and clear trees to clear a road or area.

The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

“It’s a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they’re fielding. They’ve been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we’re undertaking we were the first to get it.”

The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets.

“I was the first guy in the brigade to get Tasered,” said Cloutier, describing the experience as “your worst muscle cramp ever — times 10 throughout your whole body.

“I’m not a small guy, I weigh 230 pounds ... it put me on my knees in seconds.”

The brigade will not change its name, but the force will be known for the next year as a CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, or CCMRF (pronounced “sea-smurf”).

“I can’t think of a more noble mission than this,” said Cloutier, who took command in July. “We’ve been all over the world during this time of conflict, but now our mission is to take care of citizens at home ... and depending on where an event occurred, you’re going home to take care of your home town, your loved ones.”

While soldiers’ combat training is applicable, he said, some nuances don’t apply.

“If we go in, we’re going in to help American citizens on American soil, to save lives, provide critical life support, help clear debris, restore normalcy and support whatever local agencies need us to do, so it’s kind of a different role,” said Cloutier, who, as the division operations officer on the last rotation, learned of the homeland mission a few months ago while they were still in Iraq.

Some brigade elements will be on call around the clock, during which time they’ll do their regular marksmanship, gunnery and other deployment training. That’s because the unit will continue to train and reset for the next deployment, even as it serves in its CCMRF mission.

Should personnel be needed at an earthquake in California, for example, all or part of the brigade could be scrambled there, depending on the extent of the need and the specialties involved.

Other branches included
The active Army’s new dwell-time mission is part of a NorthCom and DOD response package.

Active-duty soldiers will be part of a force that includes elements from other military branches and dedicated National Guard Weapons of Mass Destruction-Civil Support Teams.

A final mission rehearsal exercise is scheduled for mid-September at Fort Stewart and will be run by Joint Task Force Civil Support, a unit based out of Fort Monroe, Va., that will coordinate and evaluate the interservice event.

In addition to 1st BCT, other Army units will take part in the two-week training exercise, including elements of the 1st Medical Brigade out of Fort Hood, Texas, and the 82nd Combat Aviation Brigade from Fort Bragg, N.C.

There also will be Air Force engineer and medical units, the Marine Corps Chemical, Biological Initial Reaction Force, a Navy weather team and members of the Defense Logistics Agency and the Defense Threat Reduction Agency.

One of the things Vogler said they’ll be looking at is communications capabilities between the services.

“It is a concern, and we’re trying to check that and one of the ways we do that is by having these sorts of exercises. Leading up to this, we are going to rehearse and set up some of the communications systems to make sure we have interoperability,” he said.

“I don’t know what America’s overall plan is — I just know that 24 hours a day, seven days a week, there are soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines that are standing by to come and help if they’re called,” Cloutier said. “It makes me feel good as an American to know that my country has dedicated a force to come in and help the people at home.”

Is this good news?


It ain't bringing JB back that's for sure!

jb, jb, it's been a long long while.
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So we are in the midst of the worst financial crisis in our lifetimes and how does Stretch Pelosi pay her own personal bills? How can Democrats be taken seriously at all with all the shit hanging over their heads? Rangal is a crook. Frank is a crook. Dodd is a crook. Obama is a crook that surrounds himself with the very crooks that started this whole clusterfuck to begin with! And some of you want to vote for this idiot? Have I got that about right?


Oh yeah, back to Mrs. "Culture of Corruptiion" Pelosi.


You won't hear about this anywhere else so here ya go-->http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/oct/01/pelosis-pac-pays-bills-for-spouses-fir...



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No.

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OK now
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OK now  "


Hello Jizzy .......


Weeding ?!



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Any gasoline yet?

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At least someone's having fun... Chrysler car dealers here in Netherlands have a new radio commercial with a special: 'Take advantage of the low Dollar now at your local dealer'.

Dollar's getting weaker and today my coworkers have been browsing Ebay for bargains...  Grin

I actually saw a headline today that the dollar is the strongest it's been for months against the Euro...
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" I actually saw a headline today that the dollar is the strongest it's been for months against the Euro ... "

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" Any gasoline yet? "

We will find out tomorrow .

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The Bailout Rescue Flush Fund has passed the house.Now when is someone gonna get indicted over this collossal rip off.



Here, here! Damn straight! Name the names. Orange jumpsuits for everyone of them!


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Thanks to rhe nice dolly president  Kiss my undercover ass

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Guys, we are all fucked up
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Bush had very little to do with the finacial clusterfuck that we face now. He may not have helped with his insane spending, and I'm not talking about Iraq here, but his other drunken sailor spending. The mess was caused by banks closing their doors because they got saddled with a bunch of useless mortgages. That is soley the fault of Democrats who refused any and all oversight at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.



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Bush had very little to do with the finacial clusterfuck that we face now. He may not have helped with his insane spending, and I'm not talking about Iraq here, but his other drunken sailor spending. The mess was caused by banks closing their doors because they got saddled with a bunch of useless mortgages. That is soley the fault of Democrats who refused any and all oversight at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

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Still plunking down 2 pieces of a jigsaw puzzle and claiming it's done huh? More Business Week and less Rush will help complete the puzzle for you!
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Why do you start voting for something real, not fuc'**ng  cartoon next time  So long sucker



Bush had very little to do with the finacial clusterfuck that we face now. He may not have helped with his insane spending, and I'm not talking about Iraq here, but his other drunken sailor spending. The mess was caused by banks closing their doors because they got saddled with a bunch of useless mortgages. That is soley the fault of Democrats who refused any and all oversight at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.



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You are partly right , but in the end is the president or chief of state that has the final responability to let thing goes so far.
He could has stop it, if he wasn't smoked all the time  Better seen on weed!
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We just flew by the Ten " Friggin " Trillion Dollar Mark  !!!!! ** WTF ?! **

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THANK GOD I DO NOT HAVE ANY CHILDREN !!!! --- This President has literally bankrupted their futures .


" I am NOT paying back this ten trillion Ronnie !!! "



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