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Reply #26 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 10:05am
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the economy got drunk, wall street got drunk... ya'll are drunk and now got a hangover. it's a simple as pie, just don't complain about the CEO's, veeps and others who got such big chunks of the pie. You're drunk, you don't want any pie... you want something else, you want cheap shares of AIG, that you now own, in theory. Speaking of sharing, how about we all just share the responsibility, we will have to pay for this, so, we can cut some things out of the budget. Schools, first responders, public works projects (unless they are pork)... Now go get drunk, and we'll just sit out this 5 to 10 year shit storm by forming commitess and blaming someone else, this will greatly improve the hard times. You really can't enjoy hard economic times without some could old anger, and what better than to get drunk and be angry at someone... Ya'll see, you got drunk and gave the economy a hangover!!!

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Reply #27 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 10:13am
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did the economic stimulus packages work or not?
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Reply #28 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 8:56pm
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" did the economic stimulus packages work or not ? "


< ---- Tough to say . Please give me about ten to twelve more and I can then evaluate .



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Reply #29 - Sep 19th, 2008 at 5:16am
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I read a GOP dude said recently the "recession" was all in people's minds and a result of whingers.

So everything should be fine.
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Reply #30 - Sep 19th, 2008 at 5:18am
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Man, bush is fucking up.
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Reply #32 - Sep 19th, 2008 at 10:49am
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The SEC is banning short sales of financial stocks!!! What kind of commie free market is this shit?!!!? I'm all for banning naked short sellers but to ban all shorts!!??!?! Socialism is here kids!

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Commentary: By curbing all shorts, the U.S. is manipulating the market
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Last update: 9:32 a.m. EDT Sept. 19, 2008NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- When Russia shut down its stock markets to avoid the global collapse sweeping the markets earlier this week, most of Wall Street shook its head.

The move smacked of totalitarianism and artificial manipulation, such a brazen intervention wouldn't happen in a free market.
Well, the Russians are having a good chuckle after Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman Christopher Cox, following the lead of the U.K.'s Financial Services Authority, initiated a ban in short selling for 799 U.S. financial institutions including Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs Group Inc.  and Washington Mutual Inc.

The move smacks of irony on several fronts. For one, institutions such as Morgan and Goldman regularly practice short-selling as part of their proprietary trading strategies. These firms made billions in profits by running hedge funds or serving them through prime brokerage operations. They shrugged when companies complained that short sellers were ruining their companies.
Now, Morgan's John Mack and Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman not only won a ban of naked shorting, but of all shorting of their industry. They also have persuaded New York State Attorney General Andrew Cuomo to investigate short selling in the market place.

Remember, short selling is perfectly legal. Manipulating prices through rumor isn't. But what is the SEC banning?
Eric Newman, portfolio manager at TFS Capital, said the SEC is doing exactly what claims to be against -- manipulating the markets and propping up ailing financial companies. They're doing it because the banks are essentially backed by taxpayers and have become politically important.

Our complaint through history about countries that try to influence their markets by changing the rules mid-game was that it was tantamount to cheating. For all of its faults, the U.S. markets were supposed to be the most level playing fields in the world.
At least Russia shut everyone out of the game.

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I got more money than I've ever had!
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Al Franken? That's all you got? He's in trouble with the MSM for making a below-the-belt ad.
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Reply #38 - Sep 19th, 2008 at 11:11am
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Al Franken? That's all you got? He's in trouble with the MSM for making a below-the-belt ad.


al is going to get his ass brutally handed to him by a moderately unpopular senator who has about six barmaids that he sleeps with besides his wife...what does that say about our previously populist democrat state?!?!

wellstone is turning over in his grave!

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Reply #39 - Sep 19th, 2008 at 11:14am
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Even though federal employees aren't supposed to campaign for candidates, in partisan elections, this creepy guy I work with has actually gone to your state to campaign for AF. I can't see him getting elected either.
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Even though federal employees aren't supposed to campaign for candidates, in partisan elections, this creepy guy I work with has actually gone to your state to campaign for AF. I can't see him getting elected either.


AF is in a statistical tie with Coleman. . .
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" AF is in a statistical tie with Coleman. . . "


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" St. Paul, Minn. — The poll found 41 percent support Al Franken and 40 percent support Norm Coleman.

It's a survey of 763 likely Minnesota voters between Aug. 7 and 17. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.6 percentage points.

"Coming into this poll, I was frankly assuming that Al Franken was in trouble," said University of Minnesota political scientist Lawrence Jacobs, who directed the poll.  "

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al is going to get his ass brutally handed to him by a moderately unpopular senator who has about six barmaids that he sleeps with besides his wife...what does that say about our previously populist democrat state?!?!

wellstone is turning over in his grave!




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" this ain't bringing JB back .. "

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franken's saving grace has been dean barkley, ventura's buddy and the guy jesse appointed to fill wellstone's seat after he was killed in that plane crash. two months in the senate...he's got experience! anyhow, he is acting as a big spoiler for normie.

the franken-coleman race is getting really nasty....millions have been spent....laundry has been aired....franken has won over the talking fish vote, but norm has drunk bowlers in his back pocket. did you know al wrote porn? neither did i!!
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monkey_man wrote on Sep 19th, 2008 at 11:25am:
Joey wrote on Sep 19th, 2008 at 11:22am:
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What ?!


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Word! http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/08/21/senatepoll/

Lessee, it's from an NPR affiliate & it's a month old tomorrow. A poll that can't be trusted & it's past its prime!
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Bush team, Congress negotiate $700B bailout
By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS and DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press Writers
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WASHINGTON - The Bush administration asked Congress on Saturday for the power to buy $700 billion in toxic assets clogging the financial system and threatening the economy as negotiations began on the largest bailout since the Great Depression.

The rescue plan would give Washington broad authority to purchase bad mortgage-related assets from U.S. financial institutions for the next two years. It does not specify which institutions qualify or what, if anything, the government would get in return for the unprecedented infusion.

Congressional aides and administration officials tried to fill in the details of the proposal. The White House hoped for a deal with Congress by the time markets opened Monday; top lawmakers say they would push to enact the plan as early as the coming week.

"We're going to work with Congress to get a bill done quickly," President Bush said at the White House. Without discussing specifics, he said, "This is a big package because it was a big problem."

But lawmakers digesting the eye-popping cost and searching for specifics voiced concerns that the proposal offers no help for struggling homeowners or safeguards for taxpayers' money. Democrats say it must include mortgage help so borrowers facing foreclosure can stay in their homes.

"This is a good foundation of a plan that can stabilize markets quickly. But it includes no visible protection for taxpayers or homeowners," Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said in a statement.

The proposal would raise the statutory limit on the national debt from $10.6 trillion to $11.3 trillion to make room for the massive rescue.

"The American people are furious that we're in this situation, and so am I. We need to do everything possible to protect the taxpayers from the consequences of a broken Washington," the House's top Republican, Ohio Rep. John A. Boehner, said in a statement.

Signaling what could erupt into a brutal fight with Democrats over add-ons, Boehner said that "efforts to exploit this crisis for political leverage or partisan quid pro quo will only delay the economic stability that families, seniors, and small businesses deserve."

Bush said he worried the financial troubles "could ripple throughout" the economy and affect average citizens. "The risk of doing nothing far outweighs the risk of the package. ... Over time, we're going to get a lot of the money back."

He added, "People are beginning to doubt our system, people were losing confidence and I understand it's important to have confidence in our financial system."

Democratic Sen. Max Baucus of Montana, the Senate Finance Committee chairman, said he would push to add measures "that keep the burden of this bailout off taxpayers, mostly by making reasonable requirements of the companies asking for this emergency help."

Neither presidential candidate took a position on the proposal. GOP nominee John McCain said he was awaiting specifics and any changes by Congress. "This financial crisis requires leadership and action in order to restore a sound foundation to financial markets, get our economy on its feet, and eliminate this burden on hardworking middle-class Americans," McCain said in a statement.

Democratic rival Barack Obama used the party's weekly radio address to call for help for Main Street as well as Wall Street.

"We need to help people cope with rising gas and food prices, spark job creation by repairing our schools and our roads, help states avoid painful budget cuts and tax increases, and help homeowners stay in their homes," Obama said. "And we must also ensure that the solution we design doesn't reward particular companies, or irresponsible borrowers or lenders, or CEOs, some of whom helped cause this mess."

Bush, too, said he acted because he was concerned about Main Street, and that what happens on Wall Street affects Main Street.

Their language reflected a tricky balance that politicians in both parties are trying to strike, just six weeks before Election Day: back a plan that doles out hundreds of billions to companies that made bad bets and still identify with the plight of middle-class voters during tough economic times.

Besides mortgage help, Democrats also are considering attaching additional middle-class assistance to the legislation despite a request from Bush to avoid adding controversial items that could delay action. An expansion of jobless benefits was one possibility.

Bush sidestepped questions about the chances of adding such items, saying that now was not the time for political posturing. "I think most leaders would understand we need to get this done quickly, and you know, the cleaner the better," he said about legislation being drafted.

The draft does not specify which financial institutions would be eligible for the help, leaving open the question of whether hedge funds or pension funds could qualify. Congressional aides said that omission appeared to be by design, as the question of who could get help under the bailout is still up for negotiation.

The proposal does not require that the government receive anything from banks in return for unloading their bad assets. But it would allow the Treasury Department to designate financial institutions as "agents of the government," and mandate that they perform any "reasonable duties" that might entail.

The government could contract with private companies to manage the assets once it purchased them.

Describing the plan to lawmakers via conference call on Friday, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said the government would in essence set up reverse auctions, putting up money for a class of distressed assets — such as loans that are delinquent but not in default — and financial institutions would compete for how little they would accept.

If enacted, the plan would give the treasury secretary broad power to buy, manage and sell the mortgage-related investments without any additional involvement by lawmakers. It would, however, require that the congressional committees with oversight on budget, tax and financial services issues be briefed within three months of the government's first use of the rescue power, and every six months after that.

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< ----- Frig . We ARE going Bankrupt .


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