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Reply #100 - Sep 29th, 2008 at 5:29pm
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Highly recommended reading for our current situation. . .

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You going conspiracy? Might as well watch the 7 minute film, shocking enough. I love it!
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They are already planning for the social unrest by using US troops for policing on US soil. . .in clear violation of the Posse Comitatus Act. You think it's a coincidence that their tour of "duty" starts on Wed?

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1

3rd Infantry’s 1st BCT trains for a new dwell-time mission. Helping ‘people at home’ may become a permanent part of the active Army
By Gina Cavallaro - Staff writer
Posted : Monday Sep 8, 2008 6:15:06 EDT
 
The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.

Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.

Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

It is not the first time an active-duty unit has been tapped to help at home. In August 2005, for example, when Hurricane Katrina unleashed hell in Mississippi and Louisiana, several active-duty units were pulled from various posts and mobilized to those areas.

But this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.

After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one.

“Right now, the response force requirement will be an enduring mission. How the [Defense Department] chooses to source that and whether or not they continue to assign them to NorthCom, that could change in the future,” said Army Col. Louis Vogler, chief of NorthCom future operations. “Now, the plan is to assign a force every year.”

The command is at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs, Colo., but the soldiers with 1st BCT, who returned in April after 15 months in Iraq, will operate out of their home post at Fort Stewart, Ga., where they’ll be able to go to school, spend time with their families and train for their new homeland mission as well as the counterinsurgency mission in the war zones.

Stop-loss will not be in effect, so soldiers will be able to leave the Army or move to new assignments during the mission, and the operational tempo will be variable.

Don’t look for any extra time off, though. The at-home mission does not take the place of scheduled combat-zone deployments and will take place during the so-called dwell time a unit gets to reset and regenerate after a deployment.

The 1st of the 3rd is still scheduled to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan in early 2010, which means the soldiers will have been home a minimum of 20 months by the time they ship out.

In the meantime, they’ll learn new skills, use some of the ones they acquired in the war zone and more than likely will not be shot at while doing any of it.

They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.

Training for homeland scenarios has already begun at Fort Stewart and includes specialty tasks such as knowing how to use the “jaws of life” to extract a person from a mangled vehicle; extra medical training for a CBRNE incident; and working with U.S. Forestry Service experts on how to go in with chainsaws and cut and clear trees to clear a road or area.

The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

“It’s a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they’re fielding. They’ve been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we’re undertaking we were the first to get it.”

The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets.

“I was the first guy in the brigade to get Tasered,” said Cloutier, describing the experience as “your worst muscle cramp ever — times 10 throughout your whole body.

“I’m not a small guy, I weigh 230 pounds ... it put me on my knees in seconds.”

The brigade will not change its name, but the force will be known for the next year as a CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, or CCMRF (pronounced “sea-smurf”).

“I can’t think of a more noble mission than this,” said Cloutier, who took command in July. “We’ve been all over the world during this time of conflict, but now our mission is to take care of citizens at home ... and depending on where an event occurred, you’re going home to take care of your home town, your loved ones.”

While soldiers’ combat training is applicable, he said, some nuances don’t apply.

“If we go in, we’re going in to help American citizens on American soil, to save lives, provide critical life support, help clear debris, restore normalcy and support whatever local agencies need us to do, so it’s kind of a different role,” said Cloutier, who, as the division operations officer on the last rotation, learned of the homeland mission a few months ago while they were still in Iraq.

Some brigade elements will be on call around the clock, during which time they’ll do their regular marksmanship, gunnery and other deployment training. That’s because the unit will continue to train and reset for the next deployment, even as it serves in its CCMRF mission.

Should personnel be needed at an earthquake in California, for example, all or part of the brigade could be scrambled there, depending on the extent of the need and the specialties involved.

Other branches included
The active Army’s new dwell-time mission is part of a NorthCom and DOD response package.

Active-duty soldiers will be part of a force that includes elements from other military branches and dedicated National Guard Weapons of Mass Destruction-Civil Support Teams.

A final mission rehearsal exercise is scheduled for mid-September at Fort Stewart and will be run by Joint Task Force Civil Support, a unit based out of Fort Monroe, Va., that will coordinate and evaluate the interservice event.

In addition to 1st BCT, other Army units will take part in the two-week training exercise, including elements of the 1st Medical Brigade out of Fort Hood, Texas, and the 82nd Combat Aviation Brigade from Fort Bragg, N.C.

There also will be Air Force engineer and medical units, the Marine Corps Chemical, Biological Initial Reaction Force, a Navy weather team and members of the Defense Logistics Agency and the Defense Threat Reduction Agency.

One of the things Vogler said they’ll be looking at is communications capabilities between the services.

“It is a concern, and we’re trying to check that and one of the ways we do that is by having these sorts of exercises. Leading up to this, we are going to rehearse and set up some of the communications systems to make sure we have interoperability,” he said.

“I don’t know what America’s overall plan is — I just know that 24 hours a day, seven days a week, there are soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines that are standing by to come and help if they’re called,” Cloutier said. “It makes me feel good as an American to know that my country has dedicated a force to come in and help the people at home.”

Is this good news?


It ain't bringing JB back that's for sure!
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Reply #101 - Sep 29th, 2008 at 6:18pm
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Do ya wanna see what really happened to our economy? Do you wanna really put the blame where it properly belongs? In other words do ya wanna take a look at the facts instead of the partisan spin? Well then cast your eyes on these videos that show unequivically why the Democrats are fully to blamec for the sub prime mess that led to this whole clusterfuck.


Here are Republicans trying in vain to warn about the coming crisis brought on by Fannie and Freddie. Please take special not of how every single Democrat denies a problem exists, and then reject a Republican call for more regulations and oversite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p1Wc2NFa3w&feature=related&ytsession=Xj82VFXNXxF...

And then there's this. The oh-so-predictable outcome.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZoVgw3inA8&feature=related


Now please help me to understand why anyone would stupid enough to vote for Barry when the facts so clearly show that he was on the take from Fannie, and eventually hired the very guys that helped start it all to begin with.


It's time to place the blame alright! We're mere weks away from voting for future of our country and I, for one, will never vote for a party that clearly puts politics over country at every single turn.


Facts. Just the facts.




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Reply #102 - Sep 29th, 2008 at 6:27pm
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Oh, and you may also want to check this article. This article points to ,get this, more of Obama's relationship with groups that also helped start this whole shit storm. So tell me again, how can anyone vote for Obama knowing the facts about him? Surley it's not because some people are just too damned stupid to let facts get in the way of voting partisan?! The guy's a fucking joke, and a Marxist and people had better wake up to this factor we're all fucked.


Barry's other friends-->http://www.nypost.com/seven/09292008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/os_dangerous_pal...



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Reply #103 - Sep 29th, 2008 at 6:30pm
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Does it really matter who's to blame anymore? Stop fucking pointing fingers and fix this shit. I say throw every fucking politician.Republican and Democrat out when you vote in Nov. They are playing politics with our FUCKING lives here.
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Reply #104 - Sep 29th, 2008 at 6:52pm
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sweetcharmedlife wrote on Sep 29th, 2008 at 6:30pm:
Does it really matter who's to blame anymore? Stop fucking pointing fingers and fix this shit. I say throw every fucking politician.Republican and Democrat out when you vote in Nov. They are playing politics with our FUCKING lives here.



Oh I agree with you there. However, it is very important to see why we got in this mess, and where the power players ended up. In other words, Franklin Raines now works for Obama. Jim Johnson also worked for Obama. Barney Frank and Chris Dodd tried like hell to stop any and all regulation pushed for by Republicans. They succeeded. Now we are left holding the bag, and Republicans warned of this exact outcome going as far back 2001!!!

As we are only weeks away from voting for POTUS I want to make damn sure that everyone knows why we got to where we are at.


The Democrats basically played politics with outr finacial future by pressuring banks into granting loans to people who could never afford to pay them back. Fannie and Freddie, under Democrat leadership, bought up all these piss poor loans. The board members got serious bonus checks. Democrats got a nice little kick back, and we got handed the bill!


Which party tried to stop this shit? Which party bought low income votes with tax payer funded houses? You'd have to be blind not see what as led to this mess, but for some reason the media is not reminding anyone about the genesis of it all. I guess the media has a horse in this race and they want him to win at any cost. If that means trying to lay blame on Bush, and by insinuation McCain so be it. It's pure bullshit!



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Reply #105 - Sep 29th, 2008 at 7:04pm
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Riffy how are you writing all this shit when I'm listening to you in the radio right now? I even heard you say clusterfvck or clusterpluck or whatever lingo you used on the airwaves! 401K and all the shit thats going on! PLAY SATISFACTION FOR ME ~~ I cant get no, no no no satisfaction, my business is in the toilet bowl with this fvcking economy, it sucks!
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Reply #106 - Sep 29th, 2008 at 7:13pm
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Bitch wrote on Sep 29th, 2008 at 7:04pm:
Riffy how are you writing all this shit when I'm listening to you in the radio right now? I even heard you say clusterfvck or clusterpluck or whatever lingo you used on the airwaves! 401K and all the shit thats going on! PLAY SATISFACTION FOR ME ~~ I cant get no, no no no satisfaction, my business is in the toilet bowl with this fvcking economy, it sucks!




LOL! I'll try and get something on for ya Bitch.



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Reply #107 - Sep 29th, 2008 at 7:13pm
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Which party tried to stop this shit? Which party bought low income votes with tax payer funded houses?



Neither.  You're a dinosaur that time has left behind.....
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Reply #108 - Sep 29th, 2008 at 7:16pm
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Riffhard wrote on Sep 29th, 2008 at 6:52pm:
Which party tried to stop this shit? Which party bought low income votes with tax payer funded houses?



Neither.  You're a dinosaur that time has left behind.....



Right. Facts be damned! Full speed ahead!


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Reply #109 - Sep 29th, 2008 at 9:41pm
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Yes the poor helpless president couldn't do anything to stop these omnipotent senators. He raised taxes, encouraged savings and limited government spending. LOL!!
More Barrons, Business Week and WSJ, less Youtube factfinding for you man!
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Reply #110 - Sep 29th, 2008 at 10:47pm
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Yes the poor helpless president couldn't do anything to stop these omnipotent senators. He raised taxes, encouraged savings and limited government spending. LOL!!
More Barrons, Business Week and WSJ, less Youtube factfinding for you man!




You won't find me defending Bush's handling of this. No doubt the administration has it's share of blame in this too. However, Bush did not start or advance this crap. He tried in vain on at least 12 documented occassions to impose more oversight and regulation. Guess who shot that down?

I am just pointing out the fact that those that were involved in this whole ponzi scheme are now the same one's claiming to have the fix for the economy! Barrack Obama has direct links to ACORN, Franklin Raines, and James Johnson and everyone of them has the stench of corruption on their hands.


In the first proposal ACORN alone stood to get 20 billion dollars! Obama and ACORN's relationship is tighter than a tick's ass, and should be fully explored by the media. My bet is that that won't happen.


Bush was ready to sell the open market down the river, and I'm damned glad that the House Repubs bailed on this socialist sell out. I do feel that Bush feels his hands are tied and must agree with any deal at all. Lame leadership.


The Democrats see a huge check coming their way. Imagine all the government programs that they aready have dancing in their pointed little heads! All for our own good, of course! Kinda like the genius plan of forced lending to poor credit candidates! My main concern is handing the fox the keys to the hen house again. Barney Frank and Chriss Dodd should be nowhere near these negotiations. In fact they should be drawing up their resignation letters. For that matter Barrack Obama needs to explain his ties with all these crooks. Again, my bet is he won't and the media will give him another in their long list of passes.



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Reply #111 - Sep 29th, 2008 at 10:49pm
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You won't find me defending Bush


You funny!


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Reply #112 - Sep 29th, 2008 at 10:56pm
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Riffhard wrote on Sep 29th, 2008 at 10:47pm:
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You funny!


you made a grown man cry



That was nice the way you so obviously took that quote out of context. You must be a lawyer or something.



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Reply #113 - Sep 30th, 2008 at 1:16am
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You won't find me defending Bush's handling of this. No doubt the administration has it's share of blame in this too. However, Bush did not start or advance this crap. He tried in vain on at least 12 documented occassions to impose more oversight and regulation. Guess who shot that down?
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Well, I certainly ain't no expert in economics and politics, let alone American economics and politics, but didn't this mess start way way earlier? I think it's been a pattern developing over the last few decennia right? And that's Democrats AND Republicans. They're both from the right half of the wing anyway from a European point of view, so it's not that surprising that their way of handeling things differs less than many might think imo. They all went full steam ahead with (overseas) borrowing and loans and fake short term positive figures.

Consumer credit incl. mortgages has been around a lot longer than 8 or 16 years. And so has deregulation and lack of external (independant?) monitoring of the financial institutes.

Experts from BOTH sides have been warning for this bubble burst for many years already. We need to fix this now cause it's hurting all of us, and not just the US. Banks are starting keeling over here too. Too bad there are election coming up so soon in this regard, I hope those won't influence too much any decision making needed.

Sigh, exciting times, with this crisis and elections, for sure!
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Reply #114 - Sep 30th, 2008 at 9:08am
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" Experts from BOTH sides have been warning for this bubble burst for many years already. We need to fix this now cause it's hurting all of us, and not just the US. Banks are starting keeling over here too. Too bad there are election coming up so soon in this regard, I hope those won't influence too much any decision making needed.

Sigh, exciting times, with this crisis and elections, for sure! "


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At least someone's having fun... Chrysler car dealers here in Netherlands have a new radio commercial with a special: 'Take advantage of the low Dollar now at your local dealer'.

Dollar's getting weaker and today my coworkers have been browsing Ebay for bargains...  Grin
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Wall Street people are uncool. Here´s one analyzing technical finacial structures:

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'Take advantage of the low Dollar now at your local dealer'.

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Some Guy wrote on Sep 29th, 2008 at 5:25pm:
monkey_man wrote on Sep 29th, 2008 at 5:20pm:
Angie wrote on Sep 29th, 2008 at 4:06pm:
monkey_man wrote on Sep 29th, 2008 at 3:24pm:
Highly recommended reading for our current situation. . .

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You going conspiracy? Might as well watch the 7 minute film, shocking enough. I love it!
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=kieyjfZDUIc


They are already planning for the social unrest by using US troops for policing on US soil. . .in clear violation of the Posse Comitatus Act. You think it's a coincidence that their tour of "duty" starts on Wed?

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1

3rd Infantry’s 1st BCT trains for a new dwell-time mission. Helping ‘people at home’ may become a permanent part of the active Army
By Gina Cavallaro - Staff writer
Posted : Monday Sep 8, 2008 6:15:06 EDT
 
The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.

Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.

Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

It is not the first time an active-duty unit has been tapped to help at home. In August 2005, for example, when Hurricane Katrina unleashed hell in Mississippi and Louisiana, several active-duty units were pulled from various posts and mobilized to those areas.

But this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.

After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one.

“Right now, the response force requirement will be an enduring mission. How the [Defense Department] chooses to source that and whether or not they continue to assign them to NorthCom, that could change in the future,” said Army Col. Louis Vogler, chief of NorthCom future operations. “Now, the plan is to assign a force every year.”

The command is at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs, Colo., but the soldiers with 1st BCT, who returned in April after 15 months in Iraq, will operate out of their home post at Fort Stewart, Ga., where they’ll be able to go to school, spend time with their families and train for their new homeland mission as well as the counterinsurgency mission in the war zones.

Stop-loss will not be in effect, so soldiers will be able to leave the Army or move to new assignments during the mission, and the operational tempo will be variable.

Don’t look for any extra time off, though. The at-home mission does not take the place of scheduled combat-zone deployments and will take place during the so-called dwell time a unit gets to reset and regenerate after a deployment.

The 1st of the 3rd is still scheduled to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan in early 2010, which means the soldiers will have been home a minimum of 20 months by the time they ship out.

In the meantime, they’ll learn new skills, use some of the ones they acquired in the war zone and more than likely will not be shot at while doing any of it.

They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.

Training for homeland scenarios has already begun at Fort Stewart and includes specialty tasks such as knowing how to use the “jaws of life” to extract a person from a mangled vehicle; extra medical training for a CBRNE incident; and working with U.S. Forestry Service experts on how to go in with chainsaws and cut and clear trees to clear a road or area.

The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

“It’s a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they’re fielding. They’ve been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we’re undertaking we were the first to get it.”

The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets.

“I was the first guy in the brigade to get Tasered,” said Cloutier, describing the experience as “your worst muscle cramp ever — times 10 throughout your whole body.

“I’m not a small guy, I weigh 230 pounds ... it put me on my knees in seconds.”

The brigade will not change its name, but the force will be known for the next year as a CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, or CCMRF (pronounced “sea-smurf”).

“I can’t think of a more noble mission than this,” said Cloutier, who took command in July. “We’ve been all over the world during this time of conflict, but now our mission is to take care of citizens at home ... and depending on where an event occurred, you’re going home to take care of your home town, your loved ones.”

While soldiers’ combat training is applicable, he said, some nuances don’t apply.

“If we go in, we’re going in to help American citizens on American soil, to save lives, provide critical life support, help clear debris, restore normalcy and support whatever local agencies need us to do, so it’s kind of a different role,” said Cloutier, who, as the division operations officer on the last rotation, learned of the homeland mission a few months ago while they were still in Iraq.

Some brigade elements will be on call around the clock, during which time they’ll do their regular marksmanship, gunnery and other deployment training. That’s because the unit will continue to train and reset for the next deployment, even as it serves in its CCMRF mission.

Should personnel be needed at an earthquake in California, for example, all or part of the brigade could be scrambled there, depending on the extent of the need and the specialties involved.

Other branches included
The active Army’s new dwell-time mission is part of a NorthCom and DOD response package.

Active-duty soldiers will be part of a force that includes elements from other military branches and dedicated National Guard Weapons of Mass Destruction-Civil Support Teams.

A final mission rehearsal exercise is scheduled for mid-September at Fort Stewart and will be run by Joint Task Force Civil Support, a unit based out of Fort Monroe, Va., that will coordinate and evaluate the interservice event.

In addition to 1st BCT, other Army units will take part in the two-week training exercise, including elements of the 1st Medical Brigade out of Fort Hood, Texas, and the 82nd Combat Aviation Brigade from Fort Bragg, N.C.

There also will be Air Force engineer and medical units, the Marine Corps Chemical, Biological Initial Reaction Force, a Navy weather team and members of the Defense Logistics Agency and the Defense Threat Reduction Agency.

One of the things Vogler said they’ll be looking at is communications capabilities between the services.

“It is a concern, and we’re trying to check that and one of the ways we do that is by having these sorts of exercises. Leading up to this, we are going to rehearse and set up some of the communications systems to make sure we have interoperability,” he said.

“I don’t know what America’s overall plan is — I just know that 24 hours a day, seven days a week, there are soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines that are standing by to come and help if they’re called,” Cloutier said. “It makes me feel good as an American to know that my country has dedicated a force to come in and help the people at home.”

Is this good news?


It ain't bringing JB back that's for sure!

jb, jb, it's been a long long while.
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With the United States going down the crapper , I guess it is best to take some lessons from Ronnie about what is REALLY important in this world of ours  ! :


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So we are in the midst of the worst financial crisis in our lifetimes and how does Stretch Pelosi pay her own personal bills? How can Democrats be taken seriously at all with all the shit hanging over their heads? Rangal is a crook. Frank is a crook. Dodd is a crook. Obama is a crook that surrounds himself with the very crooks that started this whole clusterfuck to begin with! And some of you want to vote for this idiot? Have I got that about right?


Oh yeah, back to Mrs. "Culture of Corruptiion" Pelosi.


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