Brainbell Jangler wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2008 at 3:50pm:

I called her Cankles? Check the archives, bitch! And I noted on the "Obama Would Be A Shitty POTUS" thread that I preferred Biden to any of the other Dems running in the recent primaries. I think he's a terrible choice for the ticket though since he's been around so long & he does have some recent quotes that will hurt the ticket.

Yesterday we argued for why Barack Obama should pick Joe Biden as his vice presidential running mate. Today we tackle the opposite argument.

Loose Lips Sink Ships

Over the course of his presidential bid, Biden cemented his reputation as -- how to put this nicely? -- less than disciplined on the campaign trail.
VP Watch

In the summer of 2006, as he was publicly mulling the race, Biden set off a controversy over comments he made about Indian Americans.

"I've had a great relationship [with Indian Americans]," Biden said. "In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking."

On the day he formally announced his candidacy, a New York Observer story that quoted Biden as calling Obama "articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy" came out, and the resultant uproar effectively undercut any momentum Biden was hoping to build.
Joe Biden
Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.), chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, talks to Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) during the hearing.

While Biden was on his best verbal behavior for much of the rest of the campaign, there is no question that his tendency to shoot from the lip worries some in Obama world. As one Democratic consultant put it: "You know there will be three days in the campaign where someone in Chicago will get a call and respond -- 'What did you say he said?.'"

For a campaign that prides itself on its message discipline, choosing Biden would be introducing a wildcard into the mix. The Obama campaign exudes quiet confidence that if they do the basic political work between now and Nov. 4 the Illinois senator will be president. Do they really want to risk it with Biden?

Plagiarizer In Chief

Way back in 1987, Biden was riding high in the presidential race -- widely regarded as a serious contenders for the Democratic party's nod.

Then  Neil Kinnock happened. Biden borrowed passages of a speech given by Kinnock, a leader in Britain's Labour Party, without attribution -- a mistake that led to a detailed examination of Biden's public statements that turned up several more examples of potential plagiarism and resume inflation. The feeding frenzy eventually chased the Delaware senator from the race.

The incident has become the stuff of political lore -- type "Joe Biden and Neil Kinnock" into Google and more than 37,000 hits are returned -- even though those close to Biden insist that the actual facts surrounding the incidents are largely overblown.

Maybe. But, while any political junkie worth his (or her) name knows all about the Kinnock incident, it's a mistake to assume the average voter knows about it. In the words of one Republican strategist: "Old news inside the Beltway, new news outside."

" Obama has lost the Hillary vote and thereby the election "

Smart Man .


So you shall take over !

So, except for a nutzo apologist we all agree that this was a big mistake, no?

Ok, I know couch thread.

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Yes. Agreed. If the Obama people had at least vetted Hillary it might have made things go a little smoother. But on the other hand maybe Obama figures that if he does happen to win the election then he's rid of the Clintons. I don't especially like the Clinton machine but I wouldn't cross it.

She's been one ever since she "dated" LBJ!

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That wasn't very hard:

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http://www.rocksoff.org/Archives/04-09-2008/241866-1.html

Brainbell Jangler wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2008 at 1:19pm:


No, actually, it's your inference (and the general tendency of Obama's adherents to infer sex- or rac-ism when convenient) that is astonishing(ly disappointing).  The things you post after your assertion are your own interpretations, baggage and spin.  You also prove your own sexism by assuming that every Hillary supporter was a woman. 
:hilarious

Nasty Habits you are on fire!!

Some Guy wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2008 at 9:51am:

I was thinking the exact thing.  Hillary would have been his best bet.  He didn't even interview Hillary.  He didn't want anything to do with her.  A lot of Hillary voters are definitely snubbed.

Glimmer Twin wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2008 at 7:58pm:

Two months of questions about why Bill won't release the names of his presidential library donors?  No thanks.

The mess created by the results of this next election will be corrected by the results of the following election in 2010.