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Reply #75 - Aug 5th, 2021 at 11:33am
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nope, sorry, there's no excuse.

they don't seem to care about their own legacy, nor about the fans. it's all about the money.

and if the stones play without charlie, it means keef has always been full of shit...
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Reply #76 - Aug 5th, 2021 at 1:57pm
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Egon wrote on Aug 5th, 2021 at 11:33am:
nope, sorry, there's no excuse.

they don't seem to care about their own legacy, nor about the fans. it's all about the money.

and if the stones play without charlie, it means keef has always been full of shit...


Of course he has. I called bullshit on this claim 20 years ago. And I swear I saw a Keith interview around Bigger Bang time saying the Stones could tour without Charlie.

And "legacy" is largely a fan invention. Now if you are talking about "legacy" in the impact of the band's music and the respect of their peers as well as influence on subsequent generations of musicians that was cemented in the 1970's and the impact mostly ended there.

No one remembers Muhammad Ali's final fights and those have had zero impact on his "legacy."

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Reply #77 - Aug 5th, 2021 at 2:21pm
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ijwthstd wrote on Aug 5th, 2021 at 1:57pm:
Of course he has. I called bullshit on this claim 20 years ago. And I swear I saw a Keith interview around Bigger Bang time saying the Stones could tour without Charlie.


I don't remember that. I believe he said they may be able to without Ronnie, but not without one of the three originals. Besides, the out for him here is that he's temporarily out, not permanently so it's not the way the question was likely posed as most of those questions are asking basically: what if someone died.

As for Keith being full of BS, gotta agree with that a bit. He always says he can say nasty things about Mick, but he'll slit the throat of anyone else who does. Never heard him call out anyone who does that in public, and there have been plenty. Maybe he's done it in private, but I doubt it. That twat Ginger Baker, and a load of others. Never heard a word from Keith publicly.
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Reply #78 - Aug 5th, 2021 at 3:03pm
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Keith did indeed say they wouldnt tour without Charlie - and then also walked that back a few years ago by saying they could. Cant recall what interview it was, but I remember being (unpleasantly) surprised by it.

But we're not dealing with that. Its not as if Charlie died or left the band and they then announced a tour with a replacement.

Its a less than ideal scenario but its 13 shows and half a million people have been sitting with (very expensive) tickets for a year and a half already so I can understand it as an emergency measure.
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Reply #79 - Aug 5th, 2021 at 3:24pm
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Reply #80 - Aug 5th, 2021 at 4:02pm
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Keith about this:

"This has been a bit of a blow to all of us, to say the least and we're all wishing for Charlie to have a speedy recovery and to see him as soon as possible.  Thank you to Steve Jordan for joining us in the meantime."
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Reply #81 - Aug 5th, 2021 at 5:51pm
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Bad news about Charlie of course.  He is 80.  Cancel everything. Give refunds to those that want them. (Good Luck with that).  Glad I waited to see if tour was gonna be cancelled (For another reason of course).  Won't go to these shows if they happen.  Just not interested without the Master of the High Hat not being there.  Ridiculous. Call it a day and have SOME decorum.   Why so difficult to know when to hang it up?.  Setlist down to 15 songs....some guy behind the stage covering for Ron covering for Keith while Mick shouts instead of actually singing?....no thanks.  Bill leaving was a huge blow, and this does it.  And yea, this change would be permanent.  Think Charlie is gonna say a year from now "Let's go on the road!"...please.  It's done, over and out,  finished...enjoy what it was and what they gave you...
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Reply #82 - Aug 5th, 2021 at 5:56pm
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Reply #83 - Aug 5th, 2021 at 5:58pm
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Reply #84 - Aug 5th, 2021 at 6:27pm
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Reply #85 - Aug 5th, 2021 at 6:47pm
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Reply #86 - Aug 5th, 2021 at 6:52pm
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It's obvious he's had issues on other boards and now he is here being ultra critical and making things up with no facts to back him up.

But for you Voo I will not engage!
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Reply #87 - Aug 5th, 2021 at 8:12pm
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From Springsteen to ‘Letterman,’ Rolling Stones’ Touring Drummer Has Rich Musical History

Steve Jordan’s new gig filling in for Charlie Watts is just the latest in a decades-long career working with rock royalty

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https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/steve-jordan-charlie-watts-rol...
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Reply #88 - Aug 5th, 2021 at 8:46pm
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Lobular Craterfuss wrote on Aug 5th, 2021 at 5:51pm:
Bad news about Charlie of course.  He is 80.  Cancel everything. Give refunds to those that want them. (Good Luck with that).  Glad I waited to see if tour was gonna be cancelled (For another reason of course).  Won't go to these shows if they happen.  Just not interested without the Master of the High Hat not being there.  Ridiculous. Call it a day and have SOME decorum.   Why so difficult to know when to hang it up?.  Setlist down to 15 songs....some guy behind the stage covering for Ron covering for Keith while Mick shouts instead of actually singing?....no thanks.  Bill leaving was a huge blow, and this does it.  And yea, this change would be permanent.  Think Charlie is gonna say a year from now "Let's go on the road!"...please.  It's done, over and out,  finished...enjoy what it was and what they gave you...


I can tell this guy isn't necessarily trying to be rude to you guys but is clearly expunging his own frustration / dissapointment towards it all. I can see where he is coming from in the fact that he obviously cares for Charlie so greatly he just can't stand to see the show going on without him. As you guys have been saying, it's temporary or whatever, but sometimes you do have to look at the negative way things can go and accept it as reality before hand, incase things do go A-wal you were already prepared. It doesn't make the impact any less devistating when it does occur, but keeping it in mind will help soften the landing I suppose.

It can be a bit unnerving watching the days of old unravel before you to say the very least. And they are, and they will continue doing so.

Yes it sounds as a negative outlook but it is unfortunately the truth. All good things come to an end, but if you're stuck in your ways like I am, even after the all.. It'll be there with you.

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Reply #89 - Aug 5th, 2021 at 8:51pm
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Infact this guy obviously cares very greatly for the whole band and that is obvious. To me this guy sounds like a parent who would be punishing their child for running out in the street, they don't hate the kid obviously they're just scared for their lives.

This guy isn't trying to be negative he is actually scared of the negativity
And things going badly.
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Reply #90 - Aug 6th, 2021 at 4:31am
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Another private show for Robert Kraft at Foxborough at the start of the tour..... Roll Eyes

The Rolling Stones to perform private concert for Robert Kraft and friends

By Mark Shanahan Globe Staff,Updated August 5, 2021, 2:42 p.m.

On the eve of their US tour, the Rolling Stones will be performing next month at a private party hosted by Patriots owner Robert Kraft and his family at Gillette Stadium.


On Sept. 20 — six days before the group kicks off its “No Filter Tour” at the Dome at America’s Center in St. Louis — the Stones, or most of them anyway, will play for the Kraft clan and a few hundred of their friends in Foxborough.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/08/05/lifestyle/just-rolling-stones-robert-kraf...
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Reply #91 - Aug 6th, 2021 at 4:35am
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Probably should have saw this coming as the tour rehearsals are supposed to be in Allston, Ma. and they played a private show for Kraft and about 300-400 of his friends in a tent at Foxborough Stadium at the end of that US mini-tour five years ago.

Interestingly, the rest of the article (which is behind a paywall) says that the e-mail invite went out on July 23rd - which was the day after the rescheduled tour was announced.
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Reply #92 - Aug 6th, 2021 at 5:42am
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A private gig is a good way to get warmed up for a tour. This is good news. I'll be waiting for YouTube videos.
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Reply #93 - Aug 6th, 2021 at 6:05am
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so if we pay to see the stones, what exactly is defined as "the rolling stones" ?

i guess as long as Mick Jagger is there, the majority of the people don't care who is playing behind him ...?

I haven't been this pissed off since that covid virus a few years ago...
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Reply #94 - Aug 6th, 2021 at 8:11am
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Rolling Stones drummer Charlie Watts to miss band's upcoming tour


I can't say he'll miss it Ronnie...
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So many complaints! Do not buy tickets. Charlie is sitting out to recover. He's coming back.

If a band member isn't playing on a studio track, is it not a Stones song? There are numerous songs without Mick, Keith or Charlie over the years. Are they not Stones songs?

What constitutes a Stones song? Charlie's not on You Can't Always Get What You Want so I guess that's not a Stones song.
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Reply #96 - Aug 6th, 2021 at 8:28am
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Being proactive here-

1. Who might replace Keith?
2. Who might replace Ronnie?
3. Who might replace Mick?
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Reply #97 - Aug 6th, 2021 at 12:20pm
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Nobody will get replaced permanently at this stage. They're in their late 70s/early 80's. It'll be the logical excuse to stop touring and/or disband. 

Its not like this is the Who or Queen and the remaining band members had most of their lives still ahead of them.

If health conditions permit it, they'll finish as a touring act after next summer IMO.  Three of the band have had serious health issues in the last two years. We're in the home straight now.
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Reply #98 - Aug 6th, 2021 at 12:24pm
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Gazza wrote on Aug 6th, 2021 at 12:20pm:
Three of the band have had serious health issues in the last two years. We're in the home straight now.


I know what you meant, but I would throw Keith in there. His arthritic fingers aren't going to get better.
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They will continue on. They must. They will.
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