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Reply #325 - Mar 14th, 2012 at 6:39pm
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Mel Belli wrote on Mar 14th, 2012 at 5:35pm:
Pdog, I agree; I didn't mean to minimize the extent of Keith's head injury. But Keith was well into decline before that happened. Since Bridges to Babylon, he's done nothing but occasionally ride sidecar in the Mick Machine. Now he can't even manage that. It's pathetic, in the literal and popular sense of the word.



He's "not been on drugs" since the 60's... according to him! He, more than 99% of people who live this way, has manged well, but at some point, it ends... and if not the wife and kids leaving or job falling apart, our health fails and we can't function, that is the end result of alcoholism... I think that's what it is, this is the result of alcoholism aka addiction, if he straightens out, there might still be alot there... depends on what damage he's done... He even shows sign of a wet brain, and that is where the head injury plays in... at this point a cold could kill him! smoking and rinking, just ain't working!
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Reply #326 - Mar 14th, 2012 at 6:40pm
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The last time a bunch of fans were convinced Keith's health was bad it turned out Patti was the one very ill. 

Just sayin'.
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Reply #327 - Mar 14th, 2012 at 6:49pm
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"Wouldn't be surprised if Mick told him, I'll give you the rest of this year to get your sh*t together. Then we'll see." ... sad but true ... it may be time to hire Beck  Ouch!
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Reply #328 - Mar 14th, 2012 at 7:04pm
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Steel Wheels wrote on Mar 14th, 2012 at 5:59pm:
Who the fuck is the "insider" that speaks of Keith's health? It's pure speculation and nonsense.  All these "insiders" with nonsensical bullshit.


As opposed to fans who still think it's 1972?

Keith himself has admitted they're not anywhere near ready to tour.

Read into that all you like.  

That's all the info you'll ever need.  It's not unreasonable normally for the band to rehearse for a few weeks and be capable of performing - the band themselves are saying that at present even THAT is beyond them.

This isnt' a case of a few 'naysayers' saying the band - at the present time - aren't up to the task of doing themselves justice.

Its coming straight from the horse's mouth this time.
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Reply #329 - Mar 14th, 2012 at 7:07pm
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CrissCrossMind wrote on Mar 14th, 2012 at 6:49pm:
"Wouldn't be surprised if Mick told him, I'll give you the rest of this year to get your sh*t together. Then we'll see." ... sad but true ... it may be time to hire Beck  Ouch!


The Stones will never tour with a hired hand.

If it gets to that level of desperation, they simply wont tour at all.
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Reply #330 - Mar 14th, 2012 at 7:09pm
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Gazza, Keith didn't mention his own health.  Rolling Stone magazine stuck that into the article.

"But Stones insiders say that one reason for the delay is Richards' health, which has raised questions about his ability to make it through a worldwide tour."

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Reply #331 - Mar 14th, 2012 at 7:29pm
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All Keith said was that they weren't ready.

That could mean everything from the Cohl/LiveNation BS not being settled, to scheduling conflicts with those they take on the road, they need more time to play together since they haven't played together for a while, to they decided to make an album first.  Point is, no one outside of the inner circle knows for sure what that statement actually means.  The unnamed insiders have been wrong too many times for me to fully buy what Rolling Stone inserted in the article.

So we wait until next year and find out.  In the mean time   Let's go get drunk
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Reply #332 - Mar 14th, 2012 at 7:44pm
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you guys need to understand, they had begun reserving venues, making calls to people who get the tours rolling... they basically have cancelled the unnanounced 2012 tour... early stage albeit... like Gazza said, this isn't a case of people making up stuff, if you  look at what has gone down, it's a sign something is wrong... Everyone is ok, except for Keith, in case you missed his debacle, it's all over youtube...
this is the result of Keith being Keith... kinda. I had a thought for a second, at least we got this much... but then I realized, what we really got was half assed Keith, declining in the 90's... and he was getting high. so, we get cheated, he is dying from it... typical alcoholism, and it's denial for some, but really delusion for most!!! if you're confused of the difference, one is a lie, the other is beleiving the lie as truth! Keith needs to be sober... whoever thought this day would come?
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Reply #333 - Mar 14th, 2012 at 7:49pm
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If Rolling Stone doesn't put that line about health in there, everyone would be focused on the fact they are getting ready to write and record in NYC.

I have serious doubts that anything was booked for a 2012 tour.
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Reply #334 - Mar 14th, 2012 at 8:03pm
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Steel Wheels wrote on Mar 14th, 2012 at 7:49pm:
If Rolling Stone doesn't put that line about health in there, everyone would be focused on the fact they are getting ready to write and record in NYC.

I have serious doubts that anything was booked for a 2012 tour.  


Booked?

I dont think anything was 'booked'.

Planned?

Absolutely yes. I know that for a fact. They agreed to tour as far back as September 2011.

They changed their minds. Simple as that.
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Reply #335 - Mar 14th, 2012 at 8:06pm
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Steel Wheels wrote on Mar 14th, 2012 at 7:09pm:
Gazza, Keith didn't mention his own health.  Rolling Stone magazine stuck that into the article.

"But Stones insiders say that one reason for the delay is Richards' health, which has raised questions about his ability to make it through a worldwide tour."




I know. See reply #297.

Gazza wrote on Mar 14th, 2012 at 10:33am:
The thing to remember from this article is that the bit about Keith's 'health' is nothing more than fans' hearsay. All he and the band have said is 'we're not ready'.
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Reply #336 - Mar 14th, 2012 at 8:12pm
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AngieBlue wrote on Mar 14th, 2012 at 7:29pm:
All Keith said was that they weren't ready.

That could mean everything from the Cohl/LiveNation BS not being settled, to scheduling conflicts with those they take on the road, they need more time to play together since they haven't played together for a while, to they decided to make an album first.  Point is, no one outside of the inner circle knows for sure what that statement actually means.  The unnamed insiders have been wrong too many times for me to fully buy what Rolling Stone inserted in the article.




Agree 100%.
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Reply #337 - Mar 14th, 2012 at 8:21pm
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Poor, poor job of reporting on the part of Rolling Stone. People all over the internet have Keef at death's doorstep over this. These "insiders" have prooven to be totally wrong most of the time, and now they are spreading gossip about band member health.  These insiders need to be silenced. Even my cherished insider, and it took me years to land one, was wrong 99% of the time when it came to tours.

What is coming out of Keith's mouth right now is glorious-NYC happenings are much welcome.   

We should all read Patti's latest interview:

http://www.fashionweekdaily.com/the-fix/article/patti-hansen
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AngieBlue wrote on Mar 14th, 2012 at 6:40pm:
The last time a bunch of fans were convinced Keith's health was bad it turned out Patti was the one very ill.  

Just sayin'.


And sayin' a lot.  Smiley
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Steel Wheels wrote on Mar 14th, 2012 at 8:21pm:
Poor, poor job of reporting on the part of Rolling Stone. People all over the internet have Keef at death's doorstep over this.



Really? Where?

I've read nothing to suggest anything of the sort, Only from the uber-paranoid.
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Reply #340 - Mar 14th, 2012 at 8:45pm
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I've never been a Keith doomsayer... but for them to be in early stages and suddenly halt, after what we have seen so far... I think Keith is in bad shape... Even when Charlie was fresh off cancer treatment, they were optimistic and went forward as if... This just seems way more serious to me... total specualtion, but based on on what is there, it is logical... I don't think this is about a rusty player who neeeds to tighten it up a bit... I do hope for the best... I've never been concerned before about Keith dying, I am now!
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Gazza wrote on Mar 14th, 2012 at 8:28pm:
Steel Wheels wrote on Mar 14th, 2012 at 8:21pm:
Poor, poor job of reporting on the part of Rolling Stone. People all over the internet have Keef at death's doorstep over this.



Really? Where?

I've read nothing to suggest anything of the sort, Only from the uber-paranoid.



I would say I'm uber-worried! not paranoid, yet!!!
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I wouldn't read much into it. Seriously. Fan gossip or fan opinion isn't a reliable source of info. I'm with Mel Belli and AngieBlue on this one.

For what its worth, this reporter called me a month ago to ask for my opinions about a Stones tour. I said that in my opinion - and it was just my opinion - any tour would be a shorter tour than before as I didn't think the band were up to a prolonged tour (and probably didnt want to do one). I had my doubts because of Keith's inactivity since 2007.

Does that make me an 'insider source'? Not really. Just a fan with an opinion, same as everyone else, although maybe with a few better contacts than most. Could be that he's talked to a few fans and has indulged in a bit of speculation based on that. He does seem to have spoke to a few people involved in the promotional side, though which would add some creedence to his article.

And in fairness, he's spoken to Keith recently too, as he did in October 2011 (he told me how the interview came about).

May be simply a case of reading too much into nothing as no one in the Stones camp has mentioned anything health-related and speculating on Keith's 'we're not ready' comment.

I'm personally not alarmed or disturbed by this at all. If and when they're ready to play shows, they'll do so. In some ways, its good that they're not so far up their own arses that they cant recognise a minor problem and are happy to delay things by a few months in order to get it right rather than go on the road in the next few months and look bad.
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One thing is basically for certain and that nobody is really calling them out on anymore: The money...

It's NOT about the money and hasn't been in a good while. I mean, why continue to write, record and try and perform when there's nothing left to prove and your not in the most ready to go shape. They are basically 70 years old and are very wealthy..

The money has little to do with the decision they have consciously made to carry on performing and recording. It is a huge undertaking at a young age... imagine at their age trying to give this a go again... yikes... it's actually pretty questionable whether they can physically pull it off health wise.. they will be 70 years old for crimoneys sake- So the money has little to do with it. Sure they will definitely try and maximize their earnings if they attempt it... but attempting it in the first place isn't really about the cash they will receive... especially at this point. They want to do it because they still WANT to do it. It's in their blood and it's all they have ever known really.

As well, the mere notion that they intend on recording is a sign that YES they still feel they want, and should put out a studio effort. I've said 1,000 times before and I'll say it again ... they DO very much care about the studio and releasing studio work to go along with the live shows. Every tour in the last 35 years has had new studio work to coincide (even Licks had four brand new studio tracks). They still will not break away from that idea.. even at basically 70 years old. The reason is simple.. they want to write and record and release new stuff. They are still strongly interested in that part of all of it. Otherwise... why bother? Why even consider it if your not into it. Geez they are gonna be 70 they gotta know what they want and what they don't care about these days. Sure they haven't recorded many albums since 89 but guess what ...every time out they make it a point to get into the studio. Now once again, at this late stage, we hear the same.  


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Edith Grove wrote on Mar 14th, 2012 at 8:21pm:
AngieBlue wrote on Mar 14th, 2012 at 6:40pm:
The last time a bunch of fans were convinced Keith's health was bad it turned out Patti was the one very ill.  

Just sayin'.


And sayin' a lot.  Smiley

Yeah but every time we have seen Patti in public recently.She has looked fantastic. Don't know the exact date she was last in public. But it would have to be a quck demise if the health problems were hers.
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Gazza wrote on Mar 14th, 2012 at 8:58pm:
I wouldn't read much into it. Seriously. Fan gossip or fan opinion isn't a reliable source of info. I'm with Mel Belli and AngieBlue on this one.

For what its worth, this reporter called me a month ago to ask for my opinions about a Stones tour. I said that in my opinion - and it was just my opinion - any tour would be a shorter tour than before as I didn't think the band were up to a prolonged tour (and probably didnt want to do one). I had my doubts because of Keith's inactivity since 2007.

Does that make me an 'insider source'? Not really. Just a fan with an opinion, same as everyone else, although maybe with a few better contacts than most. Could be that he's talked to a few fans and has indulged in a bit of speculation based on that. He does seem to have spoke to a few people involved in the promotional side, though which would add some creedence to his article.

And in fairness, he's spoken to Keith recently too, as he did in October 2011 (he told me how the interview came about).

May be simply a case of reading too much into nothing as no one in the Stones camp has mentioned anything health-related and speculating on Keith's 'we're not ready' comment.

I'm personally not alarmed or disturbed by this at all. If and when they're ready to play shows, they'll do so. In some ways, its good that they're not so far up their own arses that they cant recognise a minor problem and are happy to delay things by a few months in order to get it right rather than go on the road in the next few months and look bad.



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This post was on IORR earlier and is quite encouraging. Nice to see some input from someone who has always been a reliable source of info.


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I'd think this is Mick's way of letting everyone know that he's not standing in the way of the Stones performing. Keith is playing very well in the studio. If nothing unexpected happens, I would be confident that they will put together an act for the dates next year. I also wouldn't be surprised if both Bill Wyman and Mick Taylor were part of that act. As for KR, he'll be rocking. It won't be like when Pete Townshend played acoustic guitar behind glass for the Who in '89.
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Reply #348 - Mar 15th, 2012 at 8:08am
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Thanks Gazza..that is encouraging.....Maybe with all these things added up plus the Olympics they decided financially next year with a new cd out would be better?....or maybe the bids coming in for 2012 weren't that good?..
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"I'd think this is Mick's way of letting everyone know that he's not standing in the way of the Stones performing" - did he elaborate on that or do you have a link? Mick doesn't seem very involved in the RS piece, or does he mean he's behind it, hum...
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