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Re: the stones to play again in 2011...and 2012
Reply #300 - Mar 14^th, 2012 at 10:47am

LadyJane wrote on Mar 14^th, 2012 at 9:53am:

This seems pretty legit to me. They are waiting for Mary......

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/stones-5-th-anniversary-tour-pushed-back-...

Dr Selvaggi must have faxed Keith about the delay. And he faxed back 'No Show Without Punch - We'll Wait' Wink

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Re: the stones to play again in 2011...and 2012
Reply #301 - Mar 14^th, 2012 at 10:57am

Gazza wrote on Mar 14^th, 2012 at 10:47am:

LadyJane wrote on Mar 14^th, 2012 at 9:53am:

This seems pretty legit to me. They are waiting for Mary......

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/stones-5-th-anniversary-tour-pushed-back-...

Dr Selvaggi must have faxed Keith about the delay. And he faxed back 'No Show Without Punch - We'll Wait' Wink

I firmly believe that to be the case. There is NO doubt in my mind.
Mary's not ready; neither are they.
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Reply #303 - Mar 14^th, 2012 at 11:12am

yep.

In all seriousness though, its evident that something's happened in literally the last couple of weeks to change what plans they had.

The Stones office getting Ronnie's passport sorted for some 'extensive travelling' within the last month proves that they really were planning to tour later this year.

Whilst I never heard a SINGLE venue even strongly rumoured, everything pointed to a series of extended runs in a few American cities in the latter part of the year. Just a few days ago, Mike Love of the Beach Boys even mentioned that the reason that HIS band were touring in the summer was because he knew the Stones would be on the road in the fall.

Putting two and two together (and probably getting five), it just strikes me that the recent live appearances by Keith made someone - be it the band themselves or a would-be insurer or promoter - think twice about any prolonged touring in the short run.

Doubt its just that, though. As of now, the Stones don't have a tour promoter (yet) and there's probably a lot of legal issues to go through before they can embark on a tour.

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Reply #305 - Mar 14^th, 2012 at 11:30am

Well better to wait than risk their legacy on a disaster. Love the spin on the 50 years though....full blown Keith bs..but we buy in!..I'll keep my fingers crossed but in reality at Keith's age he is far more likley to regress further than turn back the clocks. Maybe Ronnie and Mick T take the front line guitars while Keith adds a few licks and fills?

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Re: the stones to play again(update: tour now in 2
Reply #307 - Mar 14^th, 2012 at 11:38am

Gazza wrote on Mar 14^th, 2012 at 11:12am:

yep.

Doubt its just that, though. As of now, the Stones don't have a tour promoter (yet) and there's probably a lot of legal issues to go through before they can embark on a tour.

They've also had about 6 years to sort out the promoter and legal issues.But hey what's the rush. Maybe they'll get it done before the 60th anniversary tour. Interesting stuff Ronnie!

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Re: the stones to play again(update: tour now in 2
Reply #309 - Mar 14^th, 2012 at 12:03pm

AngieBlue wrote on Mar 14^th, 2012 at 11:49am:

Keith said they were looking at recording. Sounds to me like they decided to not be a pure nostalgia act and release new material to go with the 50th Anniversary tour. Could be as simple as that.

I would be happy with maybe 4 or 5 new REALLY GOOD songs with a 50 licks type release
rather than a new CD with 16 songs and 11 of them sub-par. I hope this will
be the case...Put energies into planning and limbering ( PT? ) up for a tour.

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Re: the stones to play again(update: tour now in 2
Reply #311 - Mar 14^th, 2012 at 12:59pm

Paranoid Android wrote on Mar 14^th, 2012 at 12:03pm:

AngieBlue wrote on Mar 14^th, 2012 at 11:49am:

Keith said they were looking at recording. Sounds to me like they decided to not be a pure nostalgia act and release new material to go with the 50th Anniversary tour. Could be as simple as that.

I would be happy with maybe 4 or 5 new REALLY GOOD songs with a 50 licks type release
rather than a new CD with 16 songs and 11 of them sub-par. I hope this will
be the case...Put energies into planning and limbering ( PT? ) up for a tour.

They've done no studio work as a band now for exactly seven years.

In that time, Keith has produced no solo material. Mick has written some lyrics for the Exile/Some Girls bonus material, but has also recorded no solo albums

There are three songwriters in the band.

There is absolutely no reason I can think of why they shouldn't be expected to be capable of putting out 12 good songs that they've cobbled together in all that time.

If they WANT to, that is.

While I still think its fair enough to say 'they dont owe us another note of music', I think its equally valid to say that many people are so desperate to get something from them that their standards and expectations have become way too low.

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Re: the stones to play again(update: tour now in 2
Reply #312 - Mar 14^th, 2012 at 1:03pm

Mel Belli wrote on Mar 14^th, 2012 at 12:39pm:

Keith can barely function as a guitarist. Mick knows it.

Wouldn't be surprised if Mick told him, I'll give you the rest of this year to get your sh*t together. Then we'll see.

I think that's a good point.

Keith clearly needs a lot of practice. He's barely picked up a guitar for many years. Hopefully he'll put the rest of 2012 to good use.

If we're discussing in early 2013 whether the fact that Keith has done next to nothing in 2012 means a tour is viable or not, then its really evident that there'll be no point in it. If he's 'basically not ready' now he wont be in a year's time unless he becomes more active.

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Re: the stones to play again(update: tour now in 2
Reply #313 - Mar 14^th, 2012 at 1:05pm

sweetcharmedlife wrote on Mar 14^th, 2012 at 11:38am:

Gazza wrote on Mar 14^th, 2012 at 11:12am:

yep.

Doubt its just that, though. As of now, the Stones don't have a tour promoter (yet) and there's probably a lot of legal issues to go through before they can embark on a tour.

They've also had about 6 years to sort out the promoter and legal issues.But hey what's the rush. Maybe they'll get it done before the 60th anniversary tour. Interesting stuff Ronnie!

6 years is NOTHING for a legal battle involving that much potential money. Michael Cohl only left LiveNation in 2008 and was first sued by them in 2010.

The( yet to be announced at the time , and STILL isn't ) Stones' 50th tour was a part of a "deal" that was struck apparently...

I don't believe there has been any further or significant developments in this since late 2010/early 2011.

This is all old news...but the point being that these things take MANY years in ensuing court battles. I am far from a entertainment lawyer, but i am not sure
if the Stones HAVE to wait for this thing to wrap up or if there is any other alternative for them. The merger of LiveNation and Tickbastard plus the
leverage this 50th Tour apparently has for all parties involved seems
to have made touring for everyone a living nightmare.

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Reply #315 - Mar 14^th, 2012 at 2:20pm

Oddly, as I pointed out a few weeks ago I had a feeling there could be a health issue. Solid word and or some confirmation was taking too darn long and they never even got a tour promoter yet. Keith's last interview I could tell something may be wrong. It seems he was groggy and slurring his words more than "usual". He didn't seem right. Did anyone see this?

Good news is they are going to record. I expect more than simply 12 good songs... I am hoping for a full fledged quality studio product if they are going to try this.. I want another Stones album. I am not interested in 12 "good" songs they have cobbled together. I'm interested in a solid work with some great songs. I hope they can manage it... this time?? Will they ever be the same?

The days of The Stones consistently traveling while on the road are behind them (and us) boys and girls. It seems we have, and they, have hit a new stage.

**Additionally, it isn't ABOUT Keith getting his shit together. It isn't like he's 35 and has been partying too much. The guy is pushin 70. His body has been through hell anyway. Possibly he cannot get into any sort of tour shape again? If he can't it isnt because they guy is doing drugs all the time and is blowing things off. He simply aint young and his body isnt in durable shape like it was before. That is the reality of it. Understand - Geesh he isn't Superman... (well almost.. and in ways somewhat "inhuman" but not entirely hehe)

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Re: the stones to play again in 2011...and 2012
Reply #319 - Mar 14^th, 2012 at 3:04pm

LadyJane wrote on Mar 14^th, 2012 at 10:57am:

Gazza wrote on Mar 14^th, 2012 at 10:47am:

LadyJane wrote on Mar 14^th, 2012 at 9:53am:

This seems pretty legit to me. They are waiting for Mary......

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/stones-5-th-anniversary-tour-pushed-back-...

Dr Selvaggi must have faxed Keith about the delay. And he faxed back 'No Show Without Punch - We'll Wait' Wink

I firmly believe that to be the case. There is NO doubt in my mind.
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Are you fucking serious?

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Reply #321 - Mar 14^th, 2012 at 5:31pm

This isn't about Keith just getting his shit together, I'll leave it at that... just consider this, if you have a nice car, that has been in about 5 fender benders and two huge accidents over the course of a decade or so... no matter how much work, how well you keep it up... it won't drive like it did new and time has it's own way of slowing things down, add them together... and, regardless of how well it might be on a certain day on the road, it won't do well in a future scrape or could have a major repair need at any time... metaphor enough?
I like mick taking the high road, and not just saying, what is the matter... Keith has a sharp tongue and if the situation was reversed, wouldn't have been as kind.
Hope it works out... maybe he can wake up and get fit as best he can, as in stop drinking and get in physical fit shape or just die and be done, that's his options at this point... economy is getting better, so as far as pocketbook wise it's good, plus a year from now isn't long... I'm guessing, if this plan works, they will start early, not later in 2013...
maybe it's just me, but I'm reading Keith neeeds to get sober or die... unless there's something regarding his brain injury or his arthritis, there's nothing else for me to specualte about...

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Reply #322 - Mar 14^th, 2012 at 5:35pm

Pdog, I agree; I didn't mean to minimize the extent of Keith's head injury. But Keith was well into decline before that happened. Since Bridges to Babylon, he's done nothing but occasionally ride sidecar in the Mick Machine. Now he can't even manage that. It's pathetic, in the literal and popular sense of the word.

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