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Reply #150 - Mar 3rd, 2010 at 1:15am
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One concern I have is that the tracks Jagger has added vocals to, will no longer sound like Exile outtakes, but the 2010 Stones, instead. Surely this defeats the object somewhat? This package is supposed celebration of all things ‘Exile’. This won’t be the case if we have a bunch of 60-somethings re-working 38-year-old recordings.
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Reply #151 - Mar 3rd, 2010 at 6:45am
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I fear GITD sounding tunes added to Exile.
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Reply #152 - Mar 3rd, 2010 at 10:11am
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Some Guy wrote on Mar 3rd, 2010 at 6:45am:
I fear GITD sounding tunes added to Exile.


A reasonable fear, however for once I have hope. Jagger is ever the businessman, and as such, he knows the bread and butter of the Stones lies in their seventies sound, as evidenced by his setlist choices.  I think he can pull it off with some studio trickery. I listened to Potted Shrimp last night and thought man, that would be good with vocals.
Not sure if that will show up though. Alladin Story might become cheesy but we'll see. Even so, this will only apply to what appears to be three of the ten extras, so if they suck, just skip 'em and crank that remastered Loving Cup drunk version and I Ain't Lying/Signifyin'. What I'm dying to know is if the song we know as Fast Talking Slow Walking will appear. If Jagger can match that delivery I'm happy, I'm not expecting Rip This Joint.
And don't forget, Sweet Black Angel is the Streets Of Love of Exile, so there's precedent.
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Reply #153 - Mar 3rd, 2010 at 10:22am
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i ain't signifying-
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Reply #154 - Mar 3rd, 2010 at 10:34am
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Honky Tonk Man wrote on Mar 3rd, 2010 at 1:15am:
One concern I have is that the tracks Jagger has added vocals to, will no longer sound like Exile outtakes, but the 2010 Stones, instead. Surely this defeats the object somewhat? This package is supposed celebration of all things ‘Exile’. This won’t be the case if we have a bunch of 60-somethings re-working 38-year-old recordings.



I just honestlly think there's very little in the way of finished songs that were left off Exile. After all, its a very long album for its time - a double - and its been established that most of the vocals on the finished album were done post-Nellcote in LA. So, there really would have been no need for them to finish, say, 25-30 songs when they had 18 which they probably chose - at a relatively late stage in the game - to release as a double LP rather than to whittle the best ones down to the regular 10-song single album format which would have been the norm at the time. Especially when they had deadlines to meet to get it out in time for a tour.

Had they been doing this deluxe format with most other albums (ie Some Girls, Beggars Banquet etc), there probably would have been more finished songs, but with a double, its unlikely to be that many.

You basically have four alternatives

1) Release the stuff thats been bootlegged already (only in better sound quality) and disappoint the sort of people who will be most excited at this type of release as they'll be complaining that they've already got it.

2) Release half completed scraps of songs just for the sake of filling up a CD even though its stuff that should have been left on the cutting room floor and doesn't warrant listening to more than once

3) Release a bonus disc which is a mixture of good quality completed songs and a few almost finished songs which needed some work done to make them releasable

4) Release nothing at all.

To me, a combination of 1) and 3) would have been the most practical (I certainly wouldnt have complained at the inclusion of 'Hillside Blues' or 'Travellin Man'), but option 3), whilst its a bit flawed  is certainly a better alternative than 2) or 4).

As long as they're not fucking with the original album and its just being remastered like the other UMG reissues were. No remixes, no extra instruments or any of that bollocks.
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Reply #155 - Mar 3rd, 2010 at 10:59am
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Gazza wrote on Mar 3rd, 2010 at 10:34am:
Honky Tonk Man wrote on Mar 3rd, 2010 at 1:15am:
One concern I have is that the tracks Jagger has added vocals to, will no longer sound like Exile outtakes, but the 2010 Stones, instead. Surely this defeats the object somewhat? This package is supposed celebration of all things ‘Exile’. This won’t be the case if we have a bunch of 60-somethings re-working 38-year-old recordings.



I just honestlly think there's very little in the way of finished songs that were left off Exile. After all, its a very long album for its time - a double - and its been established that most of the vocals on the finished album were done post-Nellcote in LA. So, there really would have been no need for them to finish, say, 25-30 songs when they had 18 which they probably chose - at a relatively late stage in the game - to release as a double LP rather than to whittle the best ones down to the regular 10-song single album format which would have been the norm at the time. 


Not too shabby to have 10 new songs from a (studio) recording session for a double album, seeing only 5 new live (Stones) tracks from the recent Ya-Ya's re-release...



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Reply #156 - Mar 3rd, 2010 at 12:00pm
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if we are going to bitch about what the songs sound like, lets wait til we hear them first...
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Reply #157 - Mar 3rd, 2010 at 12:12pm
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Positive sales will lead to a similiar Emotional Rescue project. That could be bigger than Star Wars...

could you even fathom that...
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Reply #158 - Mar 3rd, 2010 at 12:13pm
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Indeed. Especially as 'Emotional Rescue' was a better selling album!

Plenty of outtakes too!!
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Reply #159 - Mar 3rd, 2010 at 12:22pm
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Gazza wrote on Mar 3rd, 2010 at 12:13pm:
Indeed. Especially as 'Emotional Rescue' was a better selling album!

Plenty of outtakes too!!

Would this result in a He Man Emotional Rescue Society Outtakes Lovers Society?
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Reply #160 - Mar 3rd, 2010 at 12:23pm
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sweetcharmedlife wrote on Mar 3rd, 2010 at 12:22pm:
Gazza wrote on Mar 3rd, 2010 at 12:13pm:
Indeed. Especially as 'Emotional Rescue' was a better selling album!

Plenty of outtakes too!!

Would this result in a He Man Emotional Rescue Society Outtakes Lovers Society?

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Reply #161 - Mar 3rd, 2010 at 12:24pm
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Gazza wrote on Mar 3rd, 2010 at 12:13pm:
Indeed. Especially as 'Emotional Rescue' was a better selling album!

Plenty of outtakes too!!

It's coming!

10 unearthed, never heard ER songs. Oh, look what we found! It might tilt the earths axis and shorten days.
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Reply #162 - Mar 3rd, 2010 at 2:38pm
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Honky Tonk Man wrote on Mar 3rd, 2010 at 1:15am:
One concern I have is that the tracks Jagger has added vocals to, will no longer sound like Exile outtakes, but the 2010 Stones, instead. Surely this defeats the object somewhat? This package is supposed celebration of all things ‘Exile’. This won’t be the case if we have a bunch of 60-somethings re-working 38-year-old recordings.


Ditto, Honky
I'm a bit of a hard-ass about this. Exile to me is a time-capsule, encompassing a certain era. The drugs, the decadence, the relationships, the Americanization of the Stones, the everything!
You cannot re-creat that and lets face it, Jagger just does not have the same vocal power or lyrical ingenuity that he had then. There was an urgency to the sound, lyrics, themes and a passion in the performances - they sounded like they were playing/running for their lives, from drugs, love, loneliness, hopelessness or whatever.
How can Mick, now an English gentlemen living a life of seeming contentment - add to all this?
I'd rather stick with the outtakes i have then have Jagger, 2010, put a polished spin on what he thinks "sounds good" -
And Jagger, I don't think, realizes that he is not Mick Jagger, not that Mick Jagger.
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Stones return from 'Exile'


Questions about The Rolling Stones' hidden gems
By STEVE CHAGOLLAN


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The Rolling Stones at Hyde Park, 1969.


When Universal Music Group announced last week that it was re-releasing the Rolling Stones' iconic 1972 double album "Exile on Main Street" with 10 never-before-heard bonus tracks from the period, many fans found themselves wondering, "Where did these songs come from, and why haven't we heard them before?"

By all outward signs, the Stones' music has been one of the catalogs most assiduously strip-mined by both the various labels they've been associated with and by enterprising bootleggers who tout thousands of hours of the band's recorded and live work dating back to their formation in 1962. One bootleg site boasts eight CDs of material from the "Their Satanic Majesties Request" sessions alone.

Don Was, the credited producer on the newly unearthed "Exile" tracks along with the late Jimmy Miller and the Glimmer Twins (the Stones' Keith Richards and Mick Jagger), told Daily Variety that he sifted through 200 hours of tape for the new bonus material, which will be heard when the package is released May 17 in the U.K. and May 18 Stateside.

"I've been to the tape warehouse," Was said. "If you can picture the last scene of 'Raiders of the Lost Ark,' with this enormous room filled from floor to ceiling with (all these antiquities), that's what they have.

"There's stuff that nobody's heard," he added. "The things that have slipped out on bootleg is just a fraction of what's available. They could do this with every album they've ever made if they wanted to."

Was said nobody was more surprised than the Stones "that they had this extra stuff that was as close to the finish line as it turned out to be."

The original 18-track double album -- made during a peak creative period for the band and the culmination of a string of masterpieces that began with "Beggars Banquet" and continued with "Let It Bleed" and "Sticky Fingers" -- was recorded in various stages at multiple locations, including Olympic Studios in London, Keith Richard's Nellcote mansion in the south of France and Sunset Sound Recorders in Los Angeles, where the bulk of the mixing and overdubs were done. The "Exile" of the title pertains to the Stones having moved out of England due to the country's onerous tax laws and lingering legal matters traced to drug busts in their home country.

It is considered a rock 'n' roll landmark, with blues, country, R&B and gospel thrown into the mix. Blues and slide guitar specialist Mick Taylor, who replaced Brian Jones in the band after he died in 1969, is considered a key part of the album's timeless appeal.

"There's a unity to 'Exile' that makes a whole lot of sense -- this vision of American roots music reinterpreted by the Stones' eyes and ears," Was said. "And it holds because it's stayed current all these years."

Jagger was reportedly critical of the album at the time of its release and was quoted in 2003 as saying the LP "has some of the worst mixes I've ever heard."

Was said that he and the Stones (Jagger, Richards and, to a lesser extent, drummer Charlie Watts) decided to maintain the integrity of the original release. "The sound of 'Exile' is not only etched in stone, but it's become a part of the sonic vocabulary of recordmakers who followed," he explained. "You have to embrace what it is.

"The guiding light came in a fax Keith sent to me early on. He said: 'You don't have to make it sound like 'Exile.' It already is 'Exile.' That's really what we tried to stick to throughout."

Was described the bonus tracks, which include alternate versions of "Soul Survivor" and "Loving Cup," as either "extremely finished songs" or "finished but with a rawness." One track, "Following the River," consisted of just an instrumental on which Jagger subsequently wrote lyrics and supplied the vocals. But for the most part, Jagger and Richards' overdubs are "pretty minimal" and limited to a couple of songs.

Accompanying the release is a 61-minute doc about, as director Stephen Kijak describes it, "why the Stones went into exile in France and about how they made this extraordinary album."

Kijak culled his footage mainly from about 20 hours of outtakes from Robert Frank's infamous documentary of the Stones' 1972 tour, "Cocksucker Blues," as well as images from the lavish, limited release photo book by Dominique Tarlet called "Exile," which chronicled the recording sessions at Nellcote.

"We let Robert Frank's aesthetic, and the album art itself (shot by Frank), lead it," explained Kijak. "So what you've got is a vibey mood piece that dips you right into the early '70s and doesn't let you out."

The 18 tracks from "Exile" provide the doc's soundtrack, along with studio chatter from the "Exile" sessions as well as the more recent reissuing and remastering sessions.

Kijak also says the film doesn't shy away from Richards' reported struggles with heroin at the time of the recordings. "You can't separate the drugs from the story," he explained. "The first thing that Anita Pallenberg (Richards' girlfriend at the time) said to us was "we were into drugs for breakfast, lunch and dinner."

"End to end, the film is probably the most concentrated collection of rare, never-before-seen imagery on the Stones you've seen in a good long while," said Kijak.


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Reply #164 - Mar 4th, 2010 at 6:41am
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A 61-minute documentary now ? It was originally reported as 30 minutes. Plus, good that we're getting 'Cocksucker Blues' outtakes as opposed to just excerpts from the film itself.


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"I've been to the tape warehouse," Was said. "If you can picture the last scene of 'Raiders of the Lost Ark,' with this enormous room filled from floor to ceiling with (all these antiquities), that's what they have.

"There's stuff that nobody's heard," he added. "The things that have slipped out on bootleg is just a fraction of what's available. They could do this with every album they've ever made if they wanted to."



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i know records are making a bit of a come back, but they should offer an edition with the 2 cds, the dvd and the booklet.  i think this package would sell like hot cakes.  most people don't care for records anymore, i think.  anyway, it sounds good

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Yeah, although the main gripe a lot of people seem to have is that the only way they can get the DVD is to buy the deluxe version.

There's a delicious irony in Stones fans complaining about having to pay $100 just so they can get their hands on an 'exclusive' DVD that cant be found anywhere else.

Havent we all been here before a couple of times?

At least this time we'll actually GET the DVD when we stump up $100.  really?
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Reply #166 - Mar 4th, 2010 at 7:29am
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This thing should be great. It will be interesting to see if it leaks to the torrent sites early or how soon the finished copies become available for free. Hopefully there will be a more extensive early review of the new tracks soon. Also hope Was was not embellishing when he said there is tons of unheard or unbooted stuff around. If thats true and you add in what we have as boots already then their productivity during those times is astounding considering the drug influence. Sadly that contrasts starkly with their productivity since.
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Oh Gazza!  Too funny! Grin

and are you SURE we will get the DVD in this package?

we might just have to send away the coupon in the box and another $100 to obtain this rare gem......
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Oh Gazza!  Too funny! Grin

and are you SURE we will get the DVD in this package?

we might just have to send away the coupon in the box and another $100 to obtain this rare gem......



In the small print it says that the DVD hasnt actually been made yet and after you've complained about it by e-mail ten times, it will end up being sent to you just in time for the release of the next deluxe reissue in 2013 ("Some Girls"), and you'll be given a 'legacy' code where you can buy THAT deluxe reissue one day before everybody else....only to find that the DVD for THAT release doesnt exist either, and you have to go through the whole process again.

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Reply #169 - Mar 4th, 2010 at 7:46am
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There's a Keith interview in the new issue of 'Rolling Stone' out in the US this week.
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Are the names of the other songs official yet?

Is MT really involved?

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Maybe there will be a pre release listening event like ABB. Remember voodoo I think was sharing snippets of mp3 he recorded and we all freaked for days! Man that was fun!
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Reply #172 - Mar 4th, 2010 at 8:08am
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Encouraging stuff re: the vaults-maybe we will see more of this. How's about releasing some of the live stuff..? Like the 72 tour...

And where are these bootleg sites, anyway?
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Maybe there will be a pre release listening event like ABB. Remember voodoo I think was sharing snippets of mp3 he recorded and we all freaked for days! Man that was fun!


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"End to end, the film is probably the most concentrated collection of rare, never-before-seen imagery on the Stones you've seen in a good long while," said Kijak.

insert Joey's happy kitten, here...
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