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Reply #25 - Jun 3rd, 2009 at 6:35am
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Hello everyone, long time lurker, for years really, I had to jump on board of this thread and profess my love for Undercover. I agree with many that believe Undercover was the last edgy and tue Rolling Stones album. It many ways I feel that it is similar to Exile and Some Girls in feel and sound. I love it's loose feel and infectious grooves of The Pain of Love and Pretty Beat Up, Feel on Baby is one of the Stones cooler dreamy tracks, eveytime I hear it it puts me into the vicarious zone when Jagger sings about traveling across the ocean. The music videos form teh album were not only cool ofr the stoens but really three of the coolest old school videoss of all time.

I think the reason why the album was deemed a failure is many fans of the Tattoo You and Some Girls albums weren't ready to embrace the stones in the 80's, it seems the mor etiem goes by more and more people are starting to relize how great undercover was, plus as good as the singles, video's and salacious content was it could not compare to the more immediate songs and albums of that era such as ZZ Top's magnificant Elimiator, Micheal Jacskon's Thriller, Van Halen' 1984, and Def Leppard's Pyromania, these albums were.. I won't say better but I will say much more immediate and acessable to the listner right off the bat. Rock had stepped up a level and top 40 pop like Madona stole all the female listeners ears back then.

My top 5 fave stones album in chrono

Let it Bleed
Sticky Fingers
Exile
Tattoo You
Undercover
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Reply #26 - Jun 3rd, 2009 at 6:39am
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Pretty Beat Up hits the ground running with his first post...... You rock!
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Reply #27 - Jun 3rd, 2009 at 6:44am
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Zack wrote on Jun 3rd, 2009 at 5:08am:
I did not realize that Keith actually wielded a chain saw in the Too Much Blood video.  


Two great stills there or what?

yep, he appeared to be well-armed in all three videos. Gun in 'Undercover', chainsaw in 'Too Much Blood' and er...thermometer in 'She Was Hot'.....

Pete Townshend was interviewed about the 'Undercover' video on TV here when it came out and contrasted the performance of the two, by saying that while Jagger came across as a 'total ham', Richards genuinely looked and acted like someone who would take great pleasure in 'cutting your head off'....
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Reply #28 - Jun 3rd, 2009 at 8:01am
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Saint Sway wrote on Jun 2nd, 2009 at 10:20am:
so WTF happened???

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Reply #29 - Jun 3rd, 2009 at 8:56am
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Zack wrote on Jun 3rd, 2009 at 5:08am:
I did not realize that Keith actually wielded a chain saw in the Too Much Blood video.  


Time for a re-visit then  Fuck you Gazza, Will ya?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GugjdJzMePw

...and Keith looks like he really means it  Shocked

Ronnie also swings a Mc Cullogh chainsaw, but very briefly.
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Re: Undercover rocks!! Why did it bomb?
Reply #30 - Jun 3rd, 2009 at 11:48am
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open-g wrote on Jun 3rd, 2009 at 8:56am:
Zack wrote on Jun 3rd, 2009 at 5:08am:
I did not realize that Keith actually wielded a chain saw in the Too Much Blood video.  


Time for a re-visit then  Fuck you Gazza, Will ya?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GugjdJzMePw

...and Keith looks like he really means it  Shocked

Ronnie also swings a Mc Cullogh chainsaw, but very briefly.


Is it bad that I laughed at seeing the cameraman's shadow on the girl reading the magazine at the beginning? Perhaps I've watched too much MST3K... Grin Grin
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Re: Undercover rocks!! Why did it bomb?
Reply #31 - Jun 3rd, 2009 at 4:50pm
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Pretty Beat Up wrote on Jun 3rd, 2009 at 6:35am:
Hello everyone, long time lurker, for years really,


I always knew my PARANOIA was not unfounded!!! LOL!!!

Great post BTW, PBU! and welcome!!!
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Reply #32 - Jun 3rd, 2009 at 4:52pm
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Saint Sway wrote on Jun 2nd, 2009 at 10:20am:
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Reply #33 - Jun 4th, 2009 at 6:53am
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Ha! Madonna went from blowing Mick to blowing the rest of the Stones - off the charts!
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Reply #34 - Jun 4th, 2009 at 6:53am
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Mel Belli wrote on Jun 2nd, 2009 at 10:19pm:
Saint Sway wrote on Jun 2nd, 2009 at 4:52pm:
Harlem Shuffle was another moment where they dropped the ball. Poor choice for a lead single and an embarrassing video with Paula Abdul cartoon cats

the B-Side - Had It With You should of been the 1st single - the A-Side and Shuffle should of been the flip. Keep the cover songs as the B-Sides


"Harlem Shuffle" was at least commercially successful, wasn't it? A Top 5 U.S. single, if I'm not mistaken -- the next-to-last of their career ("Mixed Emotions" being the last).

And, carrying on in the Undercover tradition, *that* video, with its crude racial tropes, was yet another mini-scandal.

At this point the Stones would KILL for even a mini-scandal.
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Reply #35 - Jun 4th, 2009 at 7:29am
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Maybe I missed something, but I dont remember there being ANY controversy over that video. I think maybe because we're living in a more pc-obsessed era, some people are looking at it from a  2009 perspective and assuming there was a fuss made about it.

I dont recall any - if anything, the video was seen as pretty cool at the time because of the innovative mesh of real people and cartoon characters. Aside from the dodgy clothes, it's not that bad.
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Reply #36 - Jun 4th, 2009 at 7:44am
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Gazza wrote on Jun 4th, 2009 at 7:29am:
Maybe I missed something, but I dont remember there being ANY controversy over that video. I think maybe because we're living in a more pc-obsessed era, some people are looking at it from a  2009 perspective and assuming there was a fuss made about it.

I dont recall any - if anything, the video was seen as pretty cool at the time because of the innovative mesh of real people and cartoon characters. Aside from the dodgy clothes, it's not that bad.


I was nine or 10 at the time, so I don't recall directly ... It could be that I read someone else's p.c-sodden reminiscence years later and mistook it for a general reaction.
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Reply #37 - Jun 4th, 2009 at 8:39am
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Nelson George (very PC indeed!) referred to the video as a ''coon show" at the time. He used to write for the Village Voice.
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Reply #38 - Jun 4th, 2009 at 11:32am
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Gazza wrote on Jun 4th, 2009 at 7:29am:
the video was seen as pretty cool at the time because of the innovative mesh of real people and cartoon characters.


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Reply #39 - Jun 4th, 2009 at 11:40am
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Saint Sway wrote on Jun 4th, 2009 at 11:32am:
Gazza wrote on Jun 4th, 2009 at 7:29am:
the video was seen as pretty cool at the time because of the innovative mesh of real people and cartoon characters.


BLANK FRIGGIN STARE


I was just the other night watching an episode of "Pop-Up Video" on VH1 Classic ... I think the "Money for Nothing" video beat "Harlem Shuffle" to that punch.

Incidentally, I never knew that Sting got a significant cut of the royalties on that song -- all because he used the melody for "Don't Stand So Close to Me" at the end ("I want my/I want my MTV"). What a bastard.
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Reply #40 - Jun 4th, 2009 at 11:43am
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Mel Belli wrote on Jun 4th, 2009 at 11:40am:
I was just the other night watching an episode of "Pop-Up Video" on VH1 Classic ...


So, what your basically saying is that its been awhile since you've been on a date eh?
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Reply #41 - Jun 4th, 2009 at 11:46am
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Mel Belli wrote on Jun 4th, 2009 at 11:40am:
I was just the other night watching an episode of "Pop-Up Video" on VH1 Classic ... I think the "Money for Nothing" video beat "Harlem Shuffle" to that punch.

Incidentally, I never knew that Sting got a significant cut of the royalties on that song -- all because he used the melody for "Don't Stand So Close to Me" at the end ("I want my/I want my MTV"). What a bastard.


Knopfler shared the songwriting credit with Sting.
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Reply #42 - Jun 4th, 2009 at 11:49am
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Knopfler shared the songwriting credit with Sting.


Many blame the overturning of Prop 81 on this
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Reply #43 - Jun 4th, 2009 at 11:54am
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Saint Sway wrote on Jun 4th, 2009 at 11:43am:
Mel Belli wrote on Jun 4th, 2009 at 11:40am:
I was just the other night watching an episode of "Pop-Up Video" on VH1 Classic ...


So, what your basically saying is that its been awhile since you've been on a date eh?


Married six years, with two kids (the younger just two months). So, yeah, I'm watching quite a bit of TV lately. Mostly the MLB network, if that's any consolation.
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Reply #44 - Jun 4th, 2009 at 11:57am
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for christs sake Mel, please tell me you're not TEVOing Matlock
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Saint Sway wrote on Jun 4th, 2009 at 11:57am:
for christs sake Mel, please tell me you're not TEVOing Matlock


No, but my wife is DVRing "Oprah" Smiley
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Reply #46 - Jun 4th, 2009 at 1:53pm
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I don't like it. It just doesn't groove like the rest of their albums. And I hate the drums and overall production of it.
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Reply #47 - Jun 4th, 2009 at 2:31pm
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Holden wrote on Jun 4th, 2009 at 1:53pm:
I don't like it. It just doesn't groove like the rest of their albums. And I hate the drums and overall production of it.


Agree about the drums. Speaking of which, the drums on "Dirty Work," artifically triggered by Steve Lillywhite, may have sounded even worse.
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