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Re: The Clash tune of the day is....
Reply #75 - Nov 17^th, 2008 at 2:15pm

monkey_man wrote on Nov 17^th, 2008 at 2:03pm:

Kick ass tune Riffy! Who knew you were such a truth to power kinda guy!

In my business it's no secret that the record end of the business is crap. They have ruined rock and roll more than anything else from what I can tell. Keith had a great line about it when he said, and I'm paraphrasing here,-"When the same people that make the records make the players on which to play them you know the business is fucked." I couldn't agree more. There is zero excuse for the way that major labels have screwed up real music. They are constantly chasing the "flavor of the month", and even though I am a free market capitalist pig kinda guy, I can see where they have managed to screw up not only rock and roll, but ultimately their own bottom line as well! The Clash were getting ripped on pretty hard in the UK punk scene about becoming sell outs when they signed to Capitol. That was a crap argument imo. Especially given the fact that every single one of those snot nosed punks would have signed in a minute had they been given the chance. This was the Clash's own little mea culpa as far as I'm concerned.

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Re: The Clash tune of the day is....
Reply #78 - Nov 17^th, 2008 at 11:29pm

Riffhard wrote on Nov 17^th, 2008 at 2:15pm:

monkey_man wrote on Nov 17^th, 2008 at 2:03pm:

Kick ass tune Riffy! Who knew you were such a truth to power kinda guy!

In my business it's no secret that the record end of the business is crap. They have ruined rock and roll more than anything else from what I can tell. Keith had a great line about it when he said, and I'm paraphrasing here,-"When the same people that make the records make the players on which to play them you know the business is fucked." I couldn't agree more. There is zero excuse for the way that major labels have screwed up real music. They are constantly chasing the "flavor of the month", and even though I am a free market capitalist pig kinda guy, I can see where they have managed to screw up not only rock and roll, but ultimately their own bottom line as well! The Clash were getting ripped on pretty hard in the UK punk scene about becoming sell outs when they signed to Capitol. That was a crap argument imo. Especially given the fact that every single one of those snot nosed punks would have signed in a minute had they been given the chance. This was the Clash's own little mea culpa as far as I'm concerned.

Riffy

Capitol? Epic!

Capital Radio!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EUVImnHr48

The Clash were indeed just about the first rock 'n' roll band self aware enough worry about selling out, write about selling out, and then go ahead and turn into a totally sold out betrayal of everything they stood for. Talk about self fulfilling prophets. Not that it changed the majesty of their first five/six years as musicians or messengers. But, as they say, he who fucks nuns must later join the church.

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Re: The Clash tune of the day is....
Reply #79 - Nov 18^th, 2008 at 3:15pm

i don't know if its so much about 'selling out' than your world changing....
part of what made the clash, strummer and simonon in particular - was their youthful, almost naive political romanticism - the brothers-in-arms solidarity with nicaraguan guerillas, peasants etc....
i believed in all that too - but things are never that simple and black and white....
the clash were passionate, and that passion meant something - from 77-82 - but the urgency couldn't last.
strummer remained committed to his beliefs....and i loved him for that.
he never lost that romantic, hopeful ideology and angst...
he's still my hero.

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Re: The Clash tune of the day is....
Reply #80 - Nov 18^th, 2008 at 3:38pm

Happily as time marches on we learn that selling out can be just a temporary thing . . .

The Clash trajectory from 1977 - 1985 is pretty much a textbook on selling out. I.E. we won't to this, we won't do that, we will keep doing this, we will keep doing that . . . Whoops! We are gonna play stadiums, we are gonna record content-free hit singles, we are gonna alienate and ostracize our initial audience, we are gonna kick every motherfucker outta tha band but me . . .

Now some call that selling out and some call it going from innocence to the first level of experience. Some say that they're the exact same thing and that only the innocent or hopelessly naive worry about selling out in the first place. Had the Clash not made such a huge issue of it in the beginning the story would matter much less. As it is, Strummer moved from a position of strident integrity to flaccid compromise to something deeper than either, which is a move to a second level of experience and beyond.

No aspersions on Strummer as a man to recognize that the Clash betrayed its original conception of itself - through the Clash betraying itself, Strummer probably managed to progress into a realm where who is the "best band in the world" no longer mattered so much as recognizing that there was life beyond the competitive sphere of rock and roll. Certainly that is a kind of growth and heroism, probably more than a certain bunch of utterly sold out 60 year old adolescents we all know and love can manage to muster.

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Re: The Clash tune of the day is....
Reply #81 - Nov 18^th, 2008 at 5:18pm

Nasty Habits wrote on Nov 18^th, 2008 at 3:38pm:

Happily as time marches on we learn that selling out can be just a temporary thing . . .

The Clash trajectory from 1977 - 1985 is pretty much a textbook on selling out. I.E. we won't to this, we won't do that, we will keep doing this, we will keep doing that . . . Whoops! We are gonna play stadiums, we are gonna record content-free hit singles, we are gonna alienate and ostracize our initial audience, we are gonna kick every motherfucker outta tha band but me . . .

Now some call that selling out and some call it going from innocence to the first level of experience. Some say that they're the exact same thing and that only the innocent or hopelessly naive worry about selling out in the first place. Had the Clash not made such a huge issue of it in the beginning the story would matter much less. As it is, Strummer moved from a position of strident integrity to flaccid compromise to something deeper than either, which is a move to a second level of experience and beyond.

No aspersions on Strummer as a man to recognize that the Clash betrayed its original conception of itself - through the Clash betraying itself, Strummer probably managed to progress into a realm where who is the "best band in the world" no longer mattered so much as recognizing that there was life beyond the competitive sphere of rock and roll. Certainly that is a kind of growth and heroism, probably more than a certain bunch of utterly sold out 60 year old adolescents we all know and love can manage to muster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79iZy_DqoyI

Wow!!!

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Re: The Clash tune of the day is....
Reply #82 - Nov 19^th, 2008 at 9:47am

Pdog wrote on Nov 18^th, 2008 at 5:18pm:

Nasty Habits wrote on Nov 18^th, 2008 at 3:38pm:

Happily as time marches on we learn that selling out can be just a temporary thing . . .

The Clash trajectory from 1977 - 1985 is pretty much a textbook on selling out. I.E. we won't to this, we won't do that, we will keep doing this, we will keep doing that . . . Whoops! We are gonna play stadiums, we are gonna record content-free hit singles, we are gonna alienate and ostracize our initial audience, we are gonna kick every motherfucker outta tha band but me . . .

Now some call that selling out and some call it going from innocence to the first level of experience. Some say that they're the exact same thing and that only the innocent or hopelessly naive worry about selling out in the first place. Had the Clash not made such a huge issue of it in the beginning the story would matter much less. As it is, Strummer moved from a position of strident integrity to flaccid compromise to something deeper than either, which is a move to a second level of experience and beyond.

No aspersions on Strummer as a man to recognize that the Clash betrayed its original conception of itself - through the Clash betraying itself, Strummer probably managed to progress into a realm where who is the "best band in the world" no longer mattered so much as recognizing that there was life beyond the competitive sphere of rock and roll. Certainly that is a kind of growth and heroism, probably more than a certain bunch of utterly sold out 60 year old adolescents we all know and love can manage to muster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79iZy_DqoyI

Wow!!!

I iz Mr. Deep.

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