It's about the most perfect mid-60's release by any group or artist. A truely wonderful track, full of exotic sounds.

 

gimmekeef wrote on Sep 25^th, 2008 at 2:07pm:


Perfect....???? Yeah....the problem with hanging out at a Stones board is that you run out of hyperboles after awhile.

Paint It Black puts the P in Perfect, "Tiny Drums"  , the kid does not hear what I hear,
and I hear one of the strongest beats in Rock-n-Roll

Sioux wrote on Sep 25^th, 2008 at 11:41am:


It most certainly is a guitar, but the sitar isn't mentioned probably because it isn't prominent in the mix, and it only plays the verse melody.  Brian's sitar is a nice addition, but the playing is far from incredible, it's a simple melody played simply. 

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Also, about this thread:

http://www.createforum.com/likearollinston/viewtopic.php?mforum=likearollinston&...

It's the law that the melody and lyric legally defines a song, Roland is mistaking arranging with song writing!   The vocal melody and lyric of Ruby Tuesday is the song, everything else is part of the arrangement/recording. 

Brian and Bill etc got payment for being part of the arrangements on stones albums, even if they didn't get actual song writing credits.  You could have 17 different arrangements of the same song(main melody and lyrics), all with completely different backing, instruments and counter melodies etc, but the song writing credit legally can be the same.   

Some bands share song writing credit for arrangement contributions, but you don't have to, if you are the melody/lyric writer you are legally entitled to claim the song as your own.  There are people who make a living arranging(writing accompaniment) other peoples music/songs, they don't have any right to claim song writing credits for the music they arrange.

Yes, it is ridiculous that Mick gets a credit for Ruby Tuesday, same as it's ridiculous that Keith gets a credit for Jigsaw Puzzle, but that's the agreement Mick and Keith had regarding the song writing situation, same as Lennon and McCartney.   Fore sure the others influenced the basic melody and even lyrics of various L/M - J/R's songs, but they essentially called the shots. Yeah it's a crappy situation, but that's just how it was.

Music publishing is a messy business!!!

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Mick etc did influence what Brian played and vice versa, you can clearly hear Mick suggesting things to Brian, Nicky etc in the satanic sessions box sets.  Just because someone plays something, doesn't mean they completely wrote the part they are playing.

Philip wrote on Sep 27^th, 2008 at 5:36am:




Thanks Philip, I do understand what you are saying. And I understand the whole Lennon/Macca thing too. And it does apply to Jagger/Richards. But......John and Paul didn't have other major contributors to their songs to give credit to. And, I think the essence of what I was talking about is summed up in the phrase "Some bands share song writing credit for arrangement contributionc, but you don't have to....." Well, there was no way Mick or Keith were going to give anyone else songwriting credit for anything, at that time.


Also.....I do believe that Brian didn't contribute an arrangement to Ruby Tuedsay---he contributed both melody and lyrics. Mick had nothing to do with it at all. Brian should have received credit. And that's probably not the only song, either.

But thanks for the info, as I was trying to establish what did actually constitute songwriting credentials.

It's currently their most well known song, thanks to Guitar Hero the song did sell more than any other of their songs.

Soldatti wrote on Sep 27^th, 2008 at 1:26pm:

You got it , you hit the nail right square on the HEAD! I Had Forgotten that until you mentioned it . Did the Stones have to Sign off on that. What a great deal if they did. The Kids Know the Song because of the fking Game Cool.