I would think,that they MIGHt start recording new album when the year changes,or if they do it ABB way,which was micks house in france,they can be
recording whenever thet want to.

ian you've blown all the cred you put in the bank with your last thread in one fell post

mate that's all fair enough but really while this idle speculation (and that's all it is ) might be fun it really gets us nowhere 

if you want my humble ill informed opinion - we'll be lucky to see any new material from the band in under 2 years (18 months at a pinch)  - if ever

as for a tour the same time frame probably applies

my best guess on future activity is  a huge increase in the use of the material that  is still owned by J/R (as opposed to Klein) and their new record co. in advertisements - all those 70s tunes that resonate so well with most of us ROers - Ioor, TD, Angie Miss You Beast of Burden - they'll all pop up soon helping to sell mobile phones - hire cars - takeaway chicken - whatever you want - as long as the price is right

and as far as someone doing a decent job of a Rarities release - i.e. real rarities and lots of them - I honestly can't see that happening  til mick dies and the way he's going he'll probably be around for at least another 30 years and out live quite a few of us

Ian Billen wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2008 at 3:22am:

i'll reply the same thing as i did in the thread you started a month ago,
in which you were asking the same question...


So here it goes:

""Rarities II"


(If we're lucky that is)

Maybe the Universal releases will get them pumped & jacked fo mo?

Nellcote wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2008 at 7:49am:


the re-releases deleuxe (whatever that is going to be), new music and a otur will coincide more or less, and none are going to happen without alot of work ahead of time. Basically 2008 is an off year for them as a band... Fans have a few options, listen to music, wish for a tour and specualate what they are doing or get a life.
hahahaha!

stonedinaustralia wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2008 at 2:36am:


Nowhere's not such a bad place to be. Taxes are low and noone gives you any shit. All your freinds are nobodys and noone gives a flying fuck. The only altar is the Holy Juke Box.   

All of my sources tell me that they released their latest album 4 days ago.

LadyJane wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2008 at 7:39am:


As you're doubtless aware, the problem with most self-proclaimed 'reliable sources' is that their 'reliability' tends to be inconsistent and selective. For every bit of major info that's right on the money, there's usually at least one that's so far off the mark it can look embarrassing. Not to mention often self-contradictory. That's how it is, unfortunately, when you're feasting on crumbs of info.

I think you're absolutely correct that at this stage it's a crap shoot. The days of the Stones being able to plan activity 1-2 years ahead at a time are over IMO. Too many other factors involved - age, health, over-familiarity due to frequent touring, ageing fanbase and now an impending worldwide recession. I really think the latter factor is a huge issue which will affect future touring plans immensely.

A new record contract indicates new material backed by a tour sooner rather than later, but I honestly feel that the template they've followed since 1989 is history. ABB was a farewell victory lap for many parts of the world. Their egoes wont allow them to start halving ticket prices and with the way things are going, next tour is IMO more likely to be much shorter, playing smaller venues (ie almost exclusively arenas) and almost all in 'major' markets. If they play far-flung parts of the world at all, IMO it's more likely to be places like Dubai where people have more money than sense as opposed to South America or Eastern Europe. If they intend to slavishly chase another record grossing at all costs like before, they'll get a rude awakening.

Global economy pretty much means ABB will live as top gross for quite a while.I'm sure the band are in tune with the fact an enormous tromp around the globe would be a tough sell.Only the Stones would hit just the tail end of an economic boom that allowed them to gross that half billion last tour.Luck plays a lot into it.Zep could make a huge run but the economy and their lack of interest in trecking for 2 years kills their chances to top ABB.Eventually we will have to sit and watch as U2 takes teh crown sometime around 2013.Hell chances are I'll be very hot and burning up looking up at that one.

Gazza wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2008 at 11:51am:



In a way, ABB would have been the perfect way to end their careers. They played the Superbowl, had the highest grossing and longest-lasting tour ever, played to a crowd of over a million in Rio, had one of the greatest directors in the world do a fantastic documentary for them, received positive show reviews everywhere except Sweden...

It was an incredible 2 years when you think about it.

Starbuck wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2008 at 2:12pm:

That'd be nice, bro! I just finished listening to Winning Ugly aka Winning Joey & it was much better w/o all that overproduction.

That's what I think too!

Holden Wrote:

"In a way, ABB would have been the perfect way to end their careers. They played the Superbowl, had the highest grossing and longest-lasting tour ever, played to a crowd of over a million in Rio, had one of the greatest directors in the world do a fantastic documentary for them, received positive show reviews everywhere except Sweden...

It was an incredible 2 years when you think about it. "

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Yes. I thought the same thing. Especially with the over all acclaim of ABB as a studio effort ...being back to basics and harder core and all, with most fans really digging the hell out of it.

However, they are doing what they always have ...their rolling on. A new avenue and direction is being taken as has taken place in between contracts, and after an certain era as before. Even at their age they continue and carry on into the next venture as they always have. It is quite amazing.


This new contract is not all about re-hashing their old stuff, or getting things out of the vaults. Although some of that is definitely in place.

The new record contract is about carrying on, putting out albums, and continuing as a band. They are planning to tour next year. Even Woody has recently stated this while in Rehab. Mick, Charlie, and Keith have all said specifically, within the past four months or that there will be more tours and more Rolling Stones albums as normal with the intention of putting things together right after the ending of the promotional work for SAL.

Mick did a greatest hits thing instead of an all brand new solo album.  SAL, then after SAL came the  brand new record contract. A tour is tentatively planned for next year.

**The last time it has been this quiet with Stones sightings was exactly four years ago when they were working on ABB (which, by the way, at that time I was in this very argument over the same issue regarding those sessions and the probability of a new album then..........after which, the fact was passed over as simply being blind luck...).

If you simply look at their comments, the current timing, and the most recent events ...it really isn't that hard to figure out. In fact, there is nothing to figure out. Geez, each of them they have came right out and said it! Now they are out of sight. Why would anyone choose to ignore the fact that just maybe, yes, maybe their is a reason for the "lucrative" new record contract. There is a reason for their recent comments. Their is a reason it is reported some stage musicians are told to keep 2009 free. It really isn't that hard boys and girls.

Look, every tour we go through this very same argument here. One of these times you will be right on. But NOTHING is pointing to that now. If there was even any evidence of them cooling it right now I would not shut my eyes and ears off to it. There is none. In fact everything is pointing completely in the other direction. Did it ever occur to you that maybe, just maybe, it IS what it IS and they are carrying on (even at their age) as they always have, and are planning to tour next year, and are writing/recording since the clock is ticking for 2009. This pattern is not exactly unheard of. 

Mark my words. They are working on a new album as we type.


Ian

Yes indeed. Bet on it. Take it to the bank. Do whatever you have to.

Mark my words. They are working on a new album as we type.


Ian

Ian Billen wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2008 at 6:01pm:


Exactly three years ago ABB was already in the can.

On 9/3/05 The Stones were doing a show in Moncton, New Brunswick.
ABB was released the following Tuesday.

If the Stones are planning on doing anything in 09, there's no need to apply such gravitas to their writing songs together "as we type".

IMO the big news will be when/if they actually go into the studio.
Mick and Keith can vet each other's ideas and the band can lay down tracks for the next album.

Tour to follow, of course...

Some Guy wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2008 at 6:42pm:




.....and I like it....Stones is Stones.....but Ian is right about one thing.....the Stones are writing as we speak... and that's a good thing. 

Left Shoe Shuffle,

As I understand it Mick and Keith started writing for ABB the late summer of 2004 (August 04) in the Caribbean together.   


Ian

Ten Thousand Motels wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2008 at 7:13pm:



Ten Thousand Motels wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2008 at 8:17pm:

Maine Motels is trying to make IanBillen look sensible and...IT'S WORKING!!!!!

rumoured new album title- The Glimmer Tunes

"We've hit a rich songwriting vein. It gets a bit dark down here but looks like we've found diamonds not coal. I thought a while back we might have the album wrapped by now, but why come up above ground now if there's more priceless stuff to be found? ... I'm always the one who underestimates how easy it is to simply 'put out the songs now.' If it was just up to me they'd be out already! But early next year people will be able to start hearing what we've been doing. We want 2009 to be our year, so we're going to start making an impression very early on."
-Bono on new album

gimmekeef wrote on Sep 4^th, 2008 at 9:19am:

GotToRollMe wrote on Sep 4^th, 2008 at 1:42pm:


GTRM Where did you get my high school grad picture?......

Ian Billen wrote on Sep 4^th, 2008 at 1:36pm:

And now everyone sees what a tool you are! Keep on dealing with "the facts" as we type.

Perks Wrote:

YOU WILL SEE PICS OF MICK BEGINNING NEXT WEEK AT THE PREMIERE OF THE WOMEN OPENING SEPT 12TH-PRODUCED BY JAGGED FILMS,I.E. MICK AND VICTORIA PEARMAN ,AND THEY OVERSEE MARKETING THRU ITS RELEASE...OPEN THAT FUCKING BRAIN OF YOURS..HE IS NOT HOLED UP WITH KEITH AT THE MOMENT OR "AS WE TYPE"

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And this is supposed to mean what???. First off, Mick is one of the producers of this film company and his film company are in charge of it's production. This is quite different than actually acting, or being a hands on part of the Technical Direction of the film on the set day in and day out. Besides....The film is plenty finished since it is to be released in roughly a mere week from today. I never said he was "holed up" with Keith as you put it. What I said was they were writing/working together at the present. I didn't say they spent every waking moment together with no spare time for anyone or anything eles. This is not 1972 anymore. That is ridiculous.

*Jagged Films acquired the production of this film in 2005 (I suppose Mick has been steadily planning and working on the details of this film since then with no time for anything other than this film.......).

*Furthermore, the films production schedule has been underway for over a year now and is scheduled to conclude in October of this year - 2008 . .... I suppose Mick has done absolutely nothing except work on this film and it's production night and day for over a year now?? (Heck, I cannot even remember Mick doing anything or any sighting of him in about a year now, unless it was to do with this new movie right Bill........).

In case you are not aware, The Stones do work on projects and break for things... sometimes they even break to start or continue working on other projects or to follow other personal endeavors. In fact this is the norm for them.


Ian

" You go girl "

I remember an interview with Mick on British radio a few months ago and he was saying that he was doing a lot of writing. They're artists; they're always writing and working on new stuff. That doesn't mean any of it will be recorded and released any time soon.

Ian Billen wrote on Sep 4^th, 2008 at 7:04pm:
wow that's a scoop, when was the last time they actually wrote music together? 1968 ?

Let's get back to the topic on hand shall we ?

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Gazza wrote on Sep 5^th, 2008 at 6:56am:


Keith really improved on the SMS texting thang....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDAw0e-uD4s

"This is the Rolling Stones we're talking about.  They put together material in the studio and they fake/wing their way through it.  They don't sit around carefully crafting each chorus and riff for hours on end at home, obsessing over their quality control, artistic integrity and drive, and need to please their fans with the deepest depths of their souls."

I hear Bon Jovi does this. And the Eagles. Think about it, IanBillen!

Nasty Habits wrote on Sep 5^th, 2008 at 7:40am:


LMAO.

This girl is one of the stars of the film "The Women". That pretty much guarantees Mick's full participation in all of the events surrounding the promotion and release of this film. (She showed up at the premiere of SAL, by the way.)

Eva Mendes. She was hot in Hitch!

Ian Billen wrote on Sep 5^th, 2008 at 1:04pm:


well, its certainly not a 'fact' ("My suppositions are more fact than suppositions.)  

Ian Billen wrote on Sep 5^th, 2008 at 1:04pm:



It also means that you dont have any insight into what theyre doing either because you dont have a single fact to base your 'suppositions' on.
.

Ian Billen wrote on Sep 5^th, 2008 at 1:04pm:



Not true. I distinctly remember a thread on this board in the summer of 2004 that it had been reported that the Stones were recording in Mick's house..this was even before the story broke about Charlie's cancer. Check the archives. It turned out to be a very brief get together without much details emerging of any recordings being made.


Ian Billen wrote on Sep 5^th, 2008 at 1:04pm:



Wrong


Ian Billen wrote on Sep 5^th, 2008 at 1:04pm:



Wrong


Ian Billen wrote on Sep 5^th, 2008 at 1:04pm:



Wrong.

Ian Billen wrote on Sep 5^th, 2008 at 1:04pm:


Wrong

Ian Billen wrote on Sep 5^th, 2008 at 1:04pm:




No they dont. They work on songs that for the most part they had already started separately. You'll be telling me next that Keith flew to Australia in 1969 to co-write 'Brown sugar'.

Ian Billen wrote on Sep 5^th, 2008 at 1:04pm:



I was unaware that he was forbidden from writing/recording at home without Keith being there. So, youre saying that the numerous songs on ABB that were originally written for "Alfie" or around that period (eg Streets of Love, Laugh i Nearly Died, Biggest Mistake etc) were written with Keith? Rubbish.

Ian Billen wrote on Sep 5^th, 2008 at 1:04pm:



No..its true. Mick and Keith for the most part (I did specify 'with very few exceptions') havent written together much since the early 70s, around the time when they ceased to live close to each other (in the late 60s they both lived in Cheyne Walk in London). 'Steel Wheels' for example was a rare case of them spending a couple lof weeks together and creating songs from scratch (although there were also several songs which pre-dated that songwriting session, such as "Almost hear you sigh' which Keith had cut for 'Talk is cheap'). Generally, they write separately, then get together and work on what they have. they may occasionally write something together from the start, but its not that common. How the hell can you write together with someone who lives 3,000 miles away and who you see maybe once a year when theres no touring activity? Are you suggesting they dont write until such a time when they make a date to get together? Nonsense. Both of them have studios in their home. Thats the whole point of having home studios - so you can write and demo stuff as and when the inspiration comes to you. I know a few people who have been lucky enough to be in Keith's basement studio in recent years while he's been working on songs. He hardly needs Mick's input to do that.



You might find this page informative. To sum it up, it doesnt exactly suggest that Mick and Keith grind out songs together from scratch Brill Building style. Nor did Lennon and McCartney of course.

http://www.timeisonourside.com/songwriting.html#THE%20CRAFT%20AND%20THE

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Like most relationships, you spend less time together as you get older when other interests get in the way. Especially women and 'stimulants'.

Mick and Keith's working relationship has never been the same since around 1971 when Mick got married , the band left England as tax exiles, and Keith got deeper into his addictions.

Its no coincidence that the quality of their songs started to dip shortly afterwards and has only sporadically reached those heights since.

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Do you mean write together?

Not really. Although on DW it was worse than before because Mick basically brought next to nothing to the sessions with him in terms of songs.  Most of the songs on that album were written by Keith & Ronnie.

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They did indeed (I mentioned that above). They spent a couple of weeks together to see how things progressed as they hadnt hardly worked together or seen eye to eye for years. However, some of the songs from that record did pre-date those sessions. At the time it was considered quite unusual for them to work 'nose to nose' like that as it hadnt happened in a long time. It hasnt happened much since. BTB for example was basically two abandoned solo projects which ended up being a Stones album instead. Probably the ultimate example of a lack of collaboration - they even worked on their songs in different studios at the same time.

Ian Billen wrote on Sep 5^th, 2008 at 1:04pm:


Get your facts Ian for gods sake... 
 
They had a meeting in early June 2004, posted here on June 9: 
http://www.rocksoff.org/Archives/06-21-2004/194930-1.html ;
 
 
And the first recordings were on Mick's house in September 2004, posted here by Gazza on Sept. 25: 
http://www.rocksoff.org/Archives/10-07-2004/203041-1.html ;
 
 
September 6, 2008 now and we have NOTHING yet, not even a fake rumor.

IAN,WE ALL WISH WE COULD SHARE IN YOUR EXCITEMENT BUT IT'S NOT HAPPENING AS I TYPE.

I THINK THEY'LL TALK AFTER THE NEW YEAR
I WOULDNT BE SURPRISED IF MICK DID ANOTHER SOLO RCORD OR WORKED WITH DAVE STEWART ON ANOTHER SOUNDTRACK BEFORE THEY START RECORDING AGAIN.

THAT IS AN EDUCATED GUESS.
I COULD BE WRONG-BECAUSE IT'S ALL SUPPOSITION.

I THINK IT'S PLAIN THAT MICK DOES NOT ENJOY SPENDING A LOT OF TIME WITH KEITH BECAUSE HE IS SO MOTIVATED TO MAXIMIZE TIME,WHILE KEITH WANTS TO LET THINGS HAPPEN.

Ok. Now let's put the debate of whether they are working together now aside for a second.

I had a thought. Should they start fresh with all new material as far as this one goes (whenever it goes) or should they look over and try and work up stuff from their previous few albums that never got finished or had the chance to come to fruition?

I love the idea of starting all new. A clean slate and a brand new affair. But then again, in the past they took concepts/rough ideas and worked them into great songs for their current project. Take for instance "Start Me Up".

Do you think these days are gone for them, if so should they be? Or should they try some of the digging through their previous tapes at least from say ABB and BTB to try and find things and work on or take into a new direction like they used to do?

I surely would not want them to totally concentrate on their previous ideas. I'd certainly like some brand new ideas and all fresh material with a fresh head in there as well (even though we'd never know the difference of what was a previous concept or rough track as to what was brand spanking new when listening to it of coarse).

I am not sure? What do you think is a good idea for them? All brand new stuff or do you think they should look into their last few albums sessions? Or both?


Ian

erikjjf wrote on Sep 6^th, 2008 at 2:29am:


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Excellent. Thank you. If this website is correct, they were doing pre-production on the stuff (writing together) as early as June of 04. Then more pre-production in August, and September at Mick's in France and as well in the Caribbean at Mick's. According to this website the actual recording of the material did not start until November of 04 at Mick's in France. So It seems they were working/writing through the summer on and off if they started actually recording the stuff in November of 04.

They wrote basically through the summer of 04 and worked the tunes up, then actual recording started in November of 04. This is not far off and is pretty close to what I stated earlier.  Maybe I can go on a rant, call the people who disagreed with me all kinds of names, and tell them they are totally insane. Or maybe I can just be cool and discuss this topic or others further now that this is cleared up (thank's to you) for us..... (hint-hint-hint).


Ian

erikjjf wrote on Sep 6^th, 2008 at 3:10am:


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Yes, I whole-heartedly agree with both you and Gazza. In fact it is concrete and solidified. They do write a ton of stuff from things they started or wrote on their own. Although ....I just can't see these two being together for months at a time working on songs and so on and so little and/or very few numbers "from scratch" coming out of it as some people believe. I am just not seeing it. I mean, don't you think the two in all this period of time didn't start and write a good number of tunes right then and there? When I say "from scratch" I mean with no previous material of a track or notion of a song.

Ian

erikjjf wrote on Sep 6^th, 2008 at 3:10am:



BINGO!

Ian Billen wrote on Sep 6^th, 2008 at 2:10am:


i prefer they start fresh myself...all the leftovers can come later.

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Yes. Keep the leftovers 'as is' for the Universal re-issues!

However, they could do that and still use some basic ideas for new songs. They do that on most records anyway, including the last one as there was some unused and reworked Mick solo material on it.

In the end it doesnt matter. The end justifies the means. Tattoo You, by rights, should have ended up being a dreadful album, going by the way it was conceived. To their credit they pulled out something of a masterpiece.

Yeah !

Get back into the studio Stones

Streets of Love part 2,  can't wait, the excitements almost unbearable

i just learned the other day that all the songs from tattoo you were songs that were worked on during earlier recording sessions.  i found this interesting.  back when this album came out i didn't pick the stones apart as much as as i do today.  if and when they do come out with a new record and i catch wind they are songs that were worked on earlier i won't be as excited.  i think it is more exciting for the fans to hear brand new songs.

this does not count for cover songs they do.

Gazza wrote on Sep 6^th, 2008 at 9:26am:


Same for Exile, just for different reasons...

IanBillen keeps it rockin'!

Ian Billen wrote on Sep 7^th, 2008 at 12:13am:



The answer is in your post, no time record and time for a tour. The band was in the begining phases of the ego's between Mick and Keith that would lead to the split. Mick was already thinking possible solo career and Keith was doing drugs and being cool. It was time to tour and they needed an album, that was what they had to do, it is the way it had been. ER was already old, in music terms of the time. They hadn't toured Eurpe since 1976, Keth's arrests made for problems and the machine needs to run or it dies. They had tons of music recorded already, in preparation for Keith going to jail, and songs written, so they polished it up and threw together a record in a short amount of time.
what i clearly remember, and my first Stones education. Was that many older fans didn't like hastiness of Tat U. I was hipped to the massive amounts of music in the vaults, and told, I better get used to Stones albums like this, full of songs like Heaven... I was excited, and liked most of the album, but with no context, The Stones becoming a band that did only songs like Heaven frightened me. I was excited to see them play, the older fans weren't, at least not around Philly. In 1978 The Stones dissapointed the fans with a famously bad show in Philly. So the rush to tour was also important, to show people they could compete in the ever changing and very competitive and lucrative music industry.

Pdog wrote on Sep 7^th, 2008 at 7:54am:



Absolutely correct. Worth adding too that within 3-4 weeks of the '78 American tour finishing, they were recording in Hollywood. Keith's trial was coming up in October and with a trafficking charge still hanging over his head, it did look very possible that - even if it was going to be merely a 'possession' charge (which was eventually the case) he may be looking at going to jail for some time. They were stockpiling songs (which could be completed later without Keith, if need be). Nothing from that LA session was ever released officially but the fact that it took place and lasted for a few weeks is pretty significant when it comes to viewing how they saw their fiture plans at that time.

Gazza wrote on Sep 7^th, 2008 at 12:40pm:

Gazza, what were the unreleased songs? Was it those country songs written by others?

Thanks, muffle. I have much of that on a crappy CD I bought just before the internets took over.