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Sticky Fingers ....from Ian
Aug 4^th, 2008 at 1:41am

I just listened to Sticky Fingers again after a long, long time without hearing it. What a classic. Rock n Roll, Country, Soul and Blues at an authenticity no other band has achieved. It really reminds you how great The Stones really are.

Sticky Fingers takes you to a place, or probably "state" for a better word. Sticky Fingers is permanently planted in a drugged, soul searching, dark and dirty place. It reminds you of why the Stones are who they are. Nobody can do albums like that for one reason and one reason only ...it is simply "real". It isn't pretty, it isn't happy, but it is real and authentic.

The album has such true feel. It hits deep within, ..a classic. Bands yesterday (needless to say or today) simply can't do that to you like The Stones can on albums such as this.

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Re: Sticky Fingers ....from Ian
Reply #4 - Aug 4^th, 2008 at 6:14am

I have always felt that Sticky Fingers is a little underrated. It is certainly, perhaps, a little unfortunate to be sandwiched between the stellar Let It Bleed and Exile on Main St and IMO, is an album deserving of more praise than it, often, receives. It’s a very compact release in comparison to what followed and being home to the Brown Sugar and Wild Horses could, in fact, be a reason for its lack of attention. Our feeling of tired over-familiarity with those two songs in particular, leads us to subconsciously treat the rest of the record the same way.

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Gazza Unholy Trinity Admin Offline Rat Bastid "We piss anywhere, man.." Posts: 13,186 Belfast, UK Gender:	Re: Sticky Fingers ....from Ian Reply #5 - Aug 4^th, 2008 at 6:22am Wouldnt change a note of it. Its perfect - something which Beggars and Let it Bleed (brilliant though they are) aren't.
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vox12string Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 56 Australia Gender:	Re: Sticky Fingers ....from Ian Reply #6 - Aug 4^th, 2008 at 8:11am Just look @ the classics from this album. Brown Sugar (in my top 3 all-time Stones greats), Wild Horses, Sister Morphine, Dead Flowers & then, of course, they resurrected Sway. I've always liked CYHMK particularly the end jam & Moonlight Mile sends me somewhere else. A massive album....
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glencar Ex Member	Re: Sticky Fingers ....from Ian Reply #7 - Aug 4^th, 2008 at 8:13am Something sensible by the inestimable IanBillen for once!
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Re: Sticky Fingers ....from Ian
Reply #8 - Aug 4^th, 2008 at 8:52am

For anyone who has ever heard The Flaming Groovies Teenage Head, if you haven't it is really good... Jagger was quoted, and I paraphrase, they got the sound wish we got on SF's. Nothing wrong with SF, IMO, but after hearing the way it was mixed, i think I know what The Stones wanted. SF came of as too polished in the studio, they wanted grittier, and you can tell by alot of the songs they were feeling dirty. Mixes and mastering make such a difference, for anyone that thinks otherwise, you have no idea, until, if you're lucky enough to hear alternate mixes of albums. In some cases, you have jst a dif. version of the same song, in others, you get a completely different sound altogether.
Producer credits are huge...
Anyone ever hear The Cults Peace Album, that later became the Rick Rubin produced Electric album, perfect example IMO.

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Reply #10 - Aug 4^th, 2008 at 8:59am

Pdog wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 8:52am:

For anyone who has ever heard The Flaming Groovies Teenage Head, if you haven't it is really good... Jagger was quoted, and I paraphrase, they got the sound wish we got on SF's. Nothing wrong with SF, IMO, but after hearing the way it was mixed, i think I know what The Stones wanted. SF came of as too polished in the studio, they wanted grittier, and you can tell by alot of the songs they were feeling dirty. Mixes and mastering make such a difference, for anyone that thinks otherwise, you have no idea, until, if you're lucky enough to hear alternate mixes of albums. In some cases, you have jst a dif. version of the same song, in others, you get a completely different sound altogether.
Producer credits are huge...
Anyone ever hear The Cults Peace Album, that later became the Rick Rubin produced Electric album, perfect example IMO.

Interesting point.

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Re: Sticky Fingers ....from Ian
Reply #11 - Aug 4^th, 2008 at 8:59am

Pdog wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 8:52am:

For anyone who has ever heard The Flaming Groovies Teenage Head, if you haven't it is really good... Jagger was quoted, and I paraphrase, they got the sound wish we got on SF's. Nothing wrong with SF, IMO, but after hearing the way it was mixed, i think I know what The Stones wanted. SF came of as too polished in the studio, they wanted grittier, and you can tell by alot of the songs they were feeling dirty. Mixes and mastering make such a difference, for anyone that thinks otherwise, you have no idea, until, if you're lucky enough to hear alternate mixes of albums. In some cases, you have jst a dif. version of the same song, in others, you get a completely different sound altogether.
Producer credits are huge...
Anyone ever hear The Cults Peace Album, that later became the Rick Rubin produced Electric album, perfect example IMO.

But is Mick happy with any of their albums? I've heard him criticize all of them at one point or another.

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Reply #12 - Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:06am

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Pdog wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 8:52am:

For anyone who has ever heard The Flaming Groovies Teenage Head, if you haven't it is really good... Jagger was quoted, and I paraphrase, they got the sound wish we got on SF's. Nothing wrong with SF, IMO, but after hearing the way it was mixed, i think I know what The Stones wanted. SF came of as too polished in the studio, they wanted grittier, and you can tell by alot of the songs they were feeling dirty. Mixes and mastering make such a difference, for anyone that thinks otherwise, you have no idea, until, if you're lucky enough to hear alternate mixes of albums. In some cases, you have jst a dif. version of the same song, in others, you get a completely different sound altogether.
Producer credits are huge...
Anyone ever hear The Cults Peace Album, that later became the Rick Rubin produced Electric album, perfect example IMO.

But is Mick happy with any of their albums? I've heard him criticize all of them at one point or another.

It's good that Mick is like that though. "Unattainable" goals are the best kind to have.

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glencar Ex Member	Re: Sticky Fingers ....from Ian Reply #13 - Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:11am For you, unattainable goals are walking out to the mailbox & taking a shower before 3PM!
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Re: Sticky Fingers ....from Ian
Reply #14 - Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:11am

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Pdog wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 8:52am:

For anyone who has ever heard The Flaming Groovies Teenage Head, if you haven't it is really good... Jagger was quoted, and I paraphrase, they got the sound wish we got on SF's. Nothing wrong with SF, IMO, but after hearing the way it was mixed, i think I know what The Stones wanted. SF came of as too polished in the studio, they wanted grittier, and you can tell by alot of the songs they were feeling dirty. Mixes and mastering make such a difference, for anyone that thinks otherwise, you have no idea, until, if you're lucky enough to hear alternate mixes of albums. In some cases, you have jst a dif. version of the same song, in others, you get a completely different sound altogether.
Producer credits are huge...
Anyone ever hear The Cults Peace Album, that later became the Rick Rubin produced Electric album, perfect example IMO.

But is Mick happy with any of their albums? I've heard him criticize all of them at one point or another.

I think he made the point to the producer, the sound on thier next record was gritty!!!

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Reply #15 - Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:12am

Pdog wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:11am:

Quote:

Pdog wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 8:52am:

For anyone who has ever heard The Flaming Groovies Teenage Head, if you haven't it is really good... Jagger was quoted, and I paraphrase, they got the sound wish we got on SF's. Nothing wrong with SF, IMO, but after hearing the way it was mixed, i think I know what The Stones wanted. SF came of as too polished in the studio, they wanted grittier, and you can tell by alot of the songs they were feeling dirty. Mixes and mastering make such a difference, for anyone that thinks otherwise, you have no idea, until, if you're lucky enough to hear alternate mixes of albums. In some cases, you have jst a dif. version of the same song, in others, you get a completely different sound altogether.
Producer credits are huge...
Anyone ever hear The Cults Peace Album, that later became the Rick Rubin produced Electric album, perfect example IMO.

But is Mick happy with any of their albums? I've heard him criticize all of them at one point or another.

I think he made the point to the producer, the sound on thier next record was gritty!!!

You Gotta Move is fairly gritty. But yes, some of that other stuff is a bit fey, no?

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Reply #17 - Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:19am

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Pdog wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:11am:

Quote:

Pdog wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 8:52am:

For anyone who has ever heard The Flaming Groovies Teenage Head, if you haven't it is really good... Jagger was quoted, and I paraphrase, they got the sound wish we got on SF's. Nothing wrong with SF, IMO, but after hearing the way it was mixed, i think I know what The Stones wanted. SF came of as too polished in the studio, they wanted grittier, and you can tell by alot of the songs they were feeling dirty. Mixes and mastering make such a difference, for anyone that thinks otherwise, you have no idea, until, if you're lucky enough to hear alternate mixes of albums. In some cases, you have jst a dif. version of the same song, in others, you get a completely different sound altogether.
Producer credits are huge...
Anyone ever hear The Cults Peace Album, that later became the Rick Rubin produced Electric album, perfect example IMO.

But is Mick happy with any of their albums? I've heard him criticize all of them at one point or another.

I think he made the point to the producer, the sound on thier next record was gritty!!!

You Gotta Move is fairly gritty. But yes, some of that other stuff is a bit fey, no?

Are you talking about the production or the songwritting? I'm talking about the sound.

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glencar Ex Member	Re: Sticky Fingers ....from Ian Reply #18 - Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:20am Me too.
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glencar Ex Member	Re: Sticky Fingers ....from Ian Reply #19 - Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:20am Some Guy wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:18am: Brown Sugar was played at my wedding ceremony. Ceremony or reception?
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Some Guy Resident Cretin Offline Posts: 15,828 Atlanta Gender:	Re: Sticky Fingers ....from Ian Reply #20 - Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:24am Quote: Some Guy wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:18am: Brown Sugar was played at my wedding ceremony. Ceremony or reception? correction made.
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Pdog Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 6,118 aTx Gender:	Re: Sticky Fingers ....from Ian Reply #21 - Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:36am it is my soap, and I will wash myself as fast as I want to with it!
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MaineMotels Ex Member Gender:	Re: Sticky Fingers ....from Ian Reply #22 - Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:43am Pdog wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:36am: it is my soap, and I will wash myself as fast as I want to with it! Stay cool pdog....I hear it's hotter than the hinges of hell right now in Texas.
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glencar Ex Member	Re: Sticky Fingers ....from Ian Reply #23 - Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:44am It's mild here in NY. I want heat!
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gimmekeef Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 5,753 Ontario Canada Gender:	Re: Sticky Fingers ....from Ian Reply #24 - Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:48am For me what sets SF apart is not only its over all grandeur and flow but I cant think of another album where the guitars literally jump out of the speakers and get in your face with a cold shot of rock and roll brilliance.
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