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Title: Sticky Fingers ....from Ian
Post by Ian Billen on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 1:41am

I just listened to Sticky Fingers again after a long, long time without hearing it. What a classic. Rock n Roll, Country, Soul and Blues at an authenticity no other band has achieved. It really reminds you how great The Stones really are.

Sticky Fingers takes you to a place, or probably "state" for a better word. Sticky Fingers is permanently planted in a drugged, soul searching, dark and dirty place. It reminds you of why the Stones are who they are. Nobody can do albums like that for one reason and one reason only ...it is simply "real". It isn't pretty, it isn't happy, but it is real and authentic.

The album has such true feel. It hits deep within, ..a classic. Bands yesterday (needless to say or today) simply can't do that to you like The Stones can on albums such as this.

Ian

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Post by Edith Grove on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 4:57am

Ian ?

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Post by corgi37 on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 5:16am

SF is good???

To quote Eddie Murphy "Tell us something we dont know, motherfucker"

Seriously, it IS good.

To quote Mickey Rooney from the "Radioactive Man" episode of "the Simpsons"

"Good. Very good. Van Johnson good!"

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Post by Some Guy on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 5:50am

Sir Stonesalots favorite album :paristhong!

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Post by Honky Tonk Man on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 6:14am

I have always felt that Sticky Fingers is a little underrated. It is certainly, perhaps, a little unfortunate to be sandwiched between the stellar Let It Bleed and Exile on Main St and IMO, is an album deserving of more praise than it, often, receives. It’s a very compact release in comparison to what followed and being home to the Brown Sugar and Wild Horses could, in fact, be a reason for its lack of attention. Our feeling of tired over-familiarity with those two songs in particular, leads us to subconsciously treat the rest of the record the same way.

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Post by Gazza on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 6:22am

Wouldnt change a note of it. Its perfect - something which Beggars and Let it Bleed (brilliant though they are) aren't.

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Post by vox12string on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 8:11am

Just look @ the classics from this album. Brown Sugar (in my top 3 all-time Stones greats), Wild Horses, Sister Morphine, Dead Flowers & then, of course, they resurrected Sway.

I've always liked CYHMK particularly the end jam & Moonlight Mile sends me somewhere else.

A massive album....

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Post by glencar on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 8:13am

Something sensible by the inestimable IanBillen for once!

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Post by Pdog on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 8:52am

For anyone who has ever heard The Flaming Groovies Teenage Head, if you haven't it is really good... Jagger was quoted, and I paraphrase, they got the sound wish we got on SF's. Nothing wrong with SF, IMO, but after hearing the way it was mixed, i think I know what The Stones wanted. SF came of as too polished in the studio, they wanted grittier, and you can tell by alot of the songs they were feeling dirty. Mixes and mastering make such a difference, for anyone that thinks otherwise, you have no idea, until, if you're lucky enough to hear alternate mixes of albums. In some cases, you have jst a dif. version of the same song, in others, you get a completely different sound altogether.
Producer credits are huge...
Anyone ever hear The Cults Peace Album, that later became the Rick Rubin produced Electric album, perfect example IMO.

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Post by MaineMotels on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 8:54am

Mick Taylor was on fire on that record. But even beyond that, the band was fring on all pistons.

:smile

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Post by MaineMotels on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 8:59am

Pdog wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 8:52am:

Interesting point.

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Post by glencar on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 8:59am

Pdog wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 8:52am:

But is Mick happy with any of their albums? I've heard him criticize all of them at one point or another.

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Post by MaineMotels on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:06am

wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 8:59am:

Pdog wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 8:52am:

But is Mick happy with any of their albums? I've heard him criticize all of them at one point or another.

It's good that Mick is like that though. "Unattainable" goals are the best kind to have.

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Post by glencar on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:11am

For you, unattainable goals are walking out to the mailbox & taking a shower before 3PM!

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Post by Pdog on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:11am

wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 8:59am:

Pdog wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 8:52am:

But is Mick happy with any of their albums? I've heard him criticize all of them at one point or another.

I think he made the point to the producer, the sound on thier next record was gritty!!!

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Post by glencar on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:12am

Pdog wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:11am:

wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 8:59am:

Pdog wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 8:52am:

But is Mick happy with any of their albums? I've heard him criticize all of them at one point or another.

I think he made the point to the producer, the sound on thier next record was gritty!!!

You Gotta Move is fairly gritty. But yes, some of that other stuff is a bit fey, no?

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Post by Some Guy on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:18am

Brown Sugar was played at my wedding reception.

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Post by Pdog on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:19am

wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:12am:

Pdog wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:11am:

wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 8:59am:

Pdog wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 8:52am:

But is Mick happy with any of their albums? I've heard him criticize all of them at one point or another.

I think he made the point to the producer, the sound on thier next record was gritty!!!

You Gotta Move is fairly gritty. But yes, some of that other stuff is a bit fey, no?

Are you talking about the production or the songwritting? I'm talking about the sound.

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Post by glencar on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:20am

Me too.

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Post by glencar on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:20am

Some Guy wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:18am:

Brown Sugar was played at my wedding ceremony.

Ceremony or reception?

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Post by Some Guy on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:24am

wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:20am:

Some Guy wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:18am:

Brown Sugar was played at my wedding ceremony.

Ceremony or reception?

correction made.

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Post by Pdog on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:36am

it is my soap, and I will wash myself as fast as I want to with it!

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Post by MaineMotels on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:43am

Pdog wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:36am:

it is my soap, and I will wash myself as fast as I want to with it!

Stay cool pdog....I hear it's hotter than the hinges of hell right now in Texas.

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Post by glencar on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:44am

It's mild here in NY. I want heat!

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Post by gimmekeef on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:48am

For me what sets SF apart is not only its over all grandeur and flow but I cant think of another album where the guitars literally jump out of the speakers and get in your face with a cold shot of rock and roll brilliance.

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Post by Gazza on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 10:15am

vox12string wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 8:11am:

Moonlight Mile towers over everything else on it.

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Post by Some Guy on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 10:21am

Ten Thousand Motels wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:48am:

wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:44am:

I want heat!

Joeys done!

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Post by Pdog on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 10:21am

Ten Thousand Motels wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:43am:

Pdog wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:36am:

it is my soap, and I will wash myself as fast as I want to with it!

Stay cool pdog....I hear it's hotter than the hinges of hell right now in Texas.

it was 102 Sunday, up to 107 in Dallas today. We should be a few less in Austin. I hope that Hurricane gets here soon...

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Post by Some Guy on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 11:03am

Pdog wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 10:21am:

Ten Thousand Motels wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:43am:

Pdog wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 9:36am:

it is my soap, and I will wash myself as fast as I want to with it!

Stay cool pdog....I hear it's hotter than the hinges of hell right now in Texas.

it was 102 Sunday, up to 107 in Dallas today. We should be a few less in Austin. I hope that Hurricane gets here soon...

68 and perfect in San Francisco.

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Post by Joey on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 11:16am

A Mean High Temperature of 101 is forecasted today with a dew point of 90 and a humidity reading of 98 percent making for a heat index of 155 Degrees in the friggin shade .

.... I feel like I am back in ' The Nam !!!!!!!

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Post by Some Guy on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 11:20am

Joey wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 11:16am:

pussy...

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Post by speedfreakjive on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 11:39am

probably the least championed album of the critically acclaimed quartet of BB, LIB, SF & Exile . Musically I cannot see why; has there ever been a better opening 3/4 songs to an album than BS, Sway, Wild Horses an CYHMK?? I doubt it. As for the 'slick' production, I actually like it, because the sound seems more sparse than Exile, for example, and is hence consolidated and focussed.

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Post by sirmoonie on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 6:22pm

Astounding album, marred only by the 2nd part of CYHMK, which was unnecessary. Contains their most memorable lines, and Mick/Keith vocals. And Dead Flowers is the greatest country song ever done by anyone. Mind blowing how they put that together. Awe inspiring, I truly don't understand people who don't appreciate this music. They're like all fucked up or something.

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Post by robpop on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 6:41pm

[quote author=sirmoonie link=1217832096/25#33 date=1217892163And Dead Flowers is the greatest country song ever done by anyone.[/quote]

Country songs? Umm don't mind me, but that is one of the greatest songs done by ANYONE.

Title: Re: Sticky Fingers ....from Ian
Post by Ian Billen on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 11:12pm

Sticky Fingers is in the back to back group of four of the best albums of all time. Each album evolving into the next, yet each is different. Probably, and most likely the most productive segment of any act in rock and roll history.

Sticky Fingers deserves all the credit it does get. I sort of see what some people mention here about it being the some times "over looked" one of this bunch. Still it is revered as a classic.

I see it described as brilliant. That is a good word for it. Mick's vocals as Soooo good on this one. Mick Jaggers vocals on Sticky Fingers are a mix of adolescence and adulthood. Each of which is the best of their era combined to one.

Taylor's fluid playing is something to truly marvel when hearing it on this record. The record is planted in a dark place.... not because it is purposefully dark in lyrical content, not because the production was purposefully dark....it just IS dark by the way The Stones are, how they sing and play their instruments and this darkness is constantly underlying here in their music. That folks, is TRUE darkness, not any sort of Ozzy Osbourne phony type of darkness. Sticky fingers represents true Stones. Looking back Sticky Fingers set the pace for The Stones in the seventies and molded much of what The Stones albums were to run like in years to come (and to an extent still are).

The album is self analytical. The album can be easily described as "weary". Best, and maybe most accurate of all it is described as being simply Brilliant.

Ian

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Post by sirmoonie on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 11:31pm

Ian Billen wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 11:12pm:

The Stones are, how they sing and play their instruments and this darkness is constantly underlying here in their music. That folks, is TRUE darkness, not any sort of Ozzy Osbourne phony type of darkness.
Ian

I like you Billen. You say things like that which is quoted above with such sincerity, and such indifference, if not obliviousness, to the scorn it usually arouses, that I can't help but like you. Its just my nature. Well, that and a bunch of booze.

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Post by Bitch on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 11:32pm

SF is and always has been my all time favorite album. I bought it when it first came out, and I sat in my room every day after school playing the album loud as I zipped and unzipped the metal zipper on the cover and I thought that was MICK in his tighty whities. It was only a few years back that I discovered it wasnt MICK, it was Andy Warhol's protege. I dont have that original vinyl album anymore, over the years I replaced it with 8 track, cassette, and CD. They started printing the vinyl album cover without the metal zipper, it was just a picture of the zipper. So I have been searching the world for the past five years for a perfect original vinly SF with the metal zipper, and just a couple months ago, a good Stones friend found it in Hamberg and bought it for 25 Euros. He sent it to me as a gift, and when I opened the package I was so fvcking excited! YES, its in perfect condition, with the metal zipper, complete with the inside pics. AHH IT MEANS SO MUCH TO ME! I LOVE IT! My favorite song and handle BITCH is on SF, and every song is great. Brings some serious joy into my life!

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Post by Ian Billen on Aug 5^th, 2008 at 12:54am

sirmoonie wrote:

I like you Billen. You say things like that which is quoted above with such sincerity, and such indifference, if not obliviousness, to the scorn it usually arouses, that I can't help but like you. Its just my nature. Well, that and a bunch of booze.

_______________________

Gee thanks sirmoonie. Ditto

Ian

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Post by Gazza on Aug 5^th, 2008 at 6:26am

Bitch wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 11:32pm:

:wtf3

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Post by Pdog on Aug 5^th, 2008 at 8:17am

Gazza wrote on Aug 5^th, 2008 at 6:26am:

Bitch wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 11:32pm:

:wtf3

Jagger brings another one, out of the closet.

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Post by Paranoid Android on Mar 31^st, 2015 at 12:46am

Bitch wrote on Aug 4^th, 2008 at 11:32pm:

I sat in my room every day after school playing the album loud as I zipped and unzipped the metal zipper on the cover and I thought that was MICK in his tighty whities.

PRICELESS!!

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Post by Zack on Mar 31^st, 2015 at 5:58am

Man, I thought Ian was back. :waka-jawaka

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Post by Egon on Mar 31^st, 2015 at 12:51pm

Sticky fingers makes me sticky in the pants.
True story.

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Post by Ian Billen on Mar 31^st, 2015 at 8:21pm

Zack wrote on Mar 31^st, 2015 at 5:58am:

Man, I thought Ian was back. :waka-jawaka

______________________________________________

I've never left ..

(someone has to keep tabs on you f***s ... and then there's Gazza .. he may moderate the board all fine and dandy ... but I moderate .. "him" .. ...)

............................................................................................................................... Ian

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Post by Zack on Apr 1^st, 2015 at 5:21am

Ian Billen wrote on Mar 31^st, 2015 at 8:21pm:

Zack wrote on Mar 31^st, 2015 at 5:58am:

Man, I thought Ian was back. :waka-jawaka

Hey! Got any "scoops" on the next album? You got sources, man.