Ian Billen wrote on Jul 25^th, 2008 at 11:27pm:


I agree with you to a point, but as the Stones arent ordinarily that sort of band, I'd like to think that it WOULDNT be a "pop oriented" release. However, the decision to relaunch the 'greatest rock n roll band in the world' as a recording act after eight years with a piece of MOR crap like 'Streets of Love' beggared belief in it's sheer stupidity. If anyone was wanting to get the message out that the band had returned with a back to basics, raw sounding new release, then this was a funny way of doing so.

"Radio friendly" is another thing entirely. New Stones records dont get played on the radio anymore for one reason and one reason alone. The dudes are old and radio has become more and more ageist since they were last releasing new material. Its got little to do with how commercial or un-commercial their music sounds.

I have moved on already, thanks.

speedfreakjive wrote on Jul 26^th, 2008 at 12:30pm:



it wasn't poorly produced, you just can't force rough and raw, it is or in't. You listen to The first Stooges record, and then think how many people have tried to recreate that in million dollar studios. Some things are just created organically and you can't manipulate or force it to happen...

Pdog wrote on Jul 26^th, 2008 at 2:31pm:



organic. why live stones is the best
in the studio. its like sex with a condom

mojoman wrote on Jul 26^th, 2008 at 4:43pm:


Exile is one of those organic albums... then again, take Some Gilrs, which is a very direct attempt to make very specific styled songs, and that worked too. The other part is, they just don't have any thing pushing them to create... How can you write good blues when you live like a king?

Ian Billen wrote on Jul 26^th, 2008 at 10:20pm:


HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?

Ian Billen wrote on Jul 27^th, 2008 at 12:58pm:


WOULDNT FAGS LIKE IT TOO?

IAN,YOUR PROBLEM IS HAVE OPINIONS THAT YOU CONVINCE YOURSELF ARE FACTS..

I thought Rough Justice was the first single?? It was the first ABB song I heard on the radio.

Holden wrote on Jul 28^th, 2008 at 10:38am:


SOL, Rough Justice, Back Of My Hand were the songs on the first CD single. SOL was credited as album version, I often wondered, b/c I can't tell if the other two are slightly dif. RJ is the 1st song on the single...

Here's some data, Ian.  My wife loved Rain Fall Down but didn't care for SOL.  Never sang along to it.  In fact, that's it's problem.  You feel stupid singing along to SOL.  Try it.

Pdog wrote on Jul 28^th, 2008 at 10:47am:


The BonJovial formula.....pander to the statistics. 

>Secondly, SOL is more of a song females would enjoy.

No..its a song more likely to appeal to Barry Manilow fans if anyone at all. However, as they are unlikely to like it enough to buy it, it fails on two counts.

> Females buy more music much more than men do today.

No they dont. Evidence? They certainly dont buy more Rolling Stones records.

>RFD is more geared towards a male reception.

and most Rolling Stones fans are male.


>This is why SOL was chosen. It was a good call, regardless of the out-come. No other tunes would of fit that mold. It is all about FM.

How was it a 'good call' when airplay was minimal and most Stones fans thought the song sucked? It failed in every regard imaginable. Most Stones fans thought it was weak to the point of embarrassment. It gave a poor indication of the album it was taken from and sent out the wrong signal which implied that after so many years without a new record, the Stones had come back with a single with less balls than a tribe of eunuchs. Most of the potential cross over market ignored it or simply thought it a laughable song. Airplay was non existent, and the Stones obviously had so much faith in it it took them almost a year to have the balls to perform it.


>Just by general reaction I've seen. Also the lyrical content. The song speaks about the streets of Paris directly at one point.


So do some versions of that well known wimpy ballad "Honky Tonk Women". Who on earth is going to buy a record just because it mentions the 'streets of Paris' (and for the record, it doesnt mention Paris at any point in the song)

>A girl would enjoy this song because it is a new "heart felt" ballad versus revamped disco-era Rolling Stones (again both are songs that are quite good). A dude may like Rain Fall Down better over all. SOL is a "female friendly" tune.

Stereotypical nonsense. Most female Stones fans that I know are perfectly capable of differentiating between a good Stones song and a bad one regardless of whether its a ballad or not....and most of the female Stones fans I know thought the song was ...to quote the word Mick uses repeatedly at the start....'awful'