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Reply #1 - Jun 1st, 2009 at 4:56pm
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Thanks for sharing this, interesting to see Crosby, Stills & Nash footage from this event, never seen that before, even though it's a old video camera, besides Flying B.B. & J.Airplane, who else exactly played there? Santana? this was a huge festival like Woodstock, there must have been other bands booked to play.
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December 6, 1969
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Santana
Jefferson Airplane
The Flying Burrito Brothers
Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young
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Grateful dead declined to go on due to the violence taking place.
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It was free too.  Interesting that the filmer mentions that there was a rumor that there was a death threat against jagger  but it was unsubstantiated still an interesting angle into why the hells angels were so nasty that day
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Reply #4 - Jun 1st, 2009 at 5:15pm
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as much as i enjoy this movie it would have been great if they had filmed more daylight footage from other bands and included it into the film. 

hopefully, someday they will come out with a directors cut edition like they did recently with the woodstock movie.  give some exta behind the scenes and bonus stuff.  bring it on, i say.

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I'm going to predict that the fine folks at Stones Fan Asylum will one day charge $350 a ticket to see this footage along with a Q&A cocktail session with the photographer at a Blondie Chapin & "Special Guests" club show
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Reply #6 - Jun 2nd, 2009 at 5:48am
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Tumbled wrote on Jun 1st, 2009 at 5:07pm:
It was free too.  Interesting that the filmer mentions that there was a rumor that there was a death threat against jagger  but it was unsubstantiated still an interesting angle into why the hells angels were so nasty that day


Well I do believe Meredith Hunter may have been trying to shoot Mick since reports indicate he was whacked out of his head on drugs and pissed at his girlfriend for telling him she thought Mick was cute...he *was* charging the stage and pulled out a gun...Mick didn't seem to know about it until after, but Hunter may have been trying to take a shot at him...
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My take on it was that the filmer thought there were rumors ahead of time amongst the hells angels that there were death threats so maybe they were in high alert and that's why they were so evil beating up everyone....   did meredith hunter make a threatening action and pull the gun before he was defending himself?  I guess we will never know.
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Tumbled wrote on Jun 2nd, 2009 at 9:43am:
My take on it was that the filmer thought there were rumors ahead of time amongst the hells angels that there were death threats so maybe they were in high alert and that's why they were so evil beating up everyone....   did meredith hunter make a threatening action and pull the gun before he was defending himself?  I guess we will never know.


He charged the stage and was beaten back by the Angels earlier in the Stones set (you can even see some of this in Gimme Shelter) and then when he charged the last time he pulled out the gun and that's when he was stabbed and stomped to death...
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StonesFanatic wrote on Jun 2nd, 2009 at 11:14am:
Tumbled wrote on Jun 2nd, 2009 at 9:43am:
My take on it was that the filmer thought there were rumors ahead of time amongst the hells angels that there were death threats so maybe they were in high alert and that's why they were so evil beating up everyone....   did meredith hunter make a threatening action and pull the gun before he was defending himself?  I guess we will never know.


He charged the stage and was beaten back by the Angels earlier in the Stones set (you can even see some of this in Gimme Shelter) and then when he charged the last time he pulled out the gun and that's when he was stabbed and stomped to death...


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Tumbled wrote on Jun 2nd, 2009 at 11:39am:
StonesFanatic wrote on Jun 2nd, 2009 at 11:14am:
Tumbled wrote on Jun 2nd, 2009 at 9:43am:
My take on it was that the filmer thought there were rumors ahead of time amongst the hells angels that there were death threats so maybe they were in high alert and that's why they were so evil beating up everyone....   did meredith hunter make a threatening action and pull the gun before he was defending himself?  I guess we will never know.


He charged the stage and was beaten back by the Angels earlier in the Stones set (you can even see some of this in Gimme Shelter) and then when he charged the last time he pulled out the gun and that's when he was stabbed and stomped to death...


oh.  ..
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No probs!  Have you seen Gimme Shelter, it's essential viewing (not just for the crazy shit at Altamont, either!)
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Reply #11 - Jun 3rd, 2009 at 6:28am
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Not long before he's killed, you can clearly see Hunter near the stage. I mean, really near it. He gets a split second close up. Pretty easy to see him in his green suit.
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is it me or does merideth sound a rather feminine name?  for the longest time i thought the dude was a chick.

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as much as i enjoy this movie it would have been great if they had filmed more daylight footage from other bands and included it into the film.  hopefully, someday they will come out with a directors cut edition like they did recently with the woodstock movie.  give some exta behind the scenes and bonus stuff.  bring it on, i say.

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Not at the expense of the glorious footage of the MSG shows.

I suppose in a 90 minute film earmarked for a cinema release, there's a limit to how much they're going to include, but I can see your point if there was some kind of director's cut.

However, they reissued the movie on DVD a few years ago with some bonus footage - although the Stones clips were covers. That would suggest that - as seems to be the norm with dealing with anything from the ABKCO era - there's some legal minefield about using old Jagger-Richards songs.
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the whole weekend sounded like an epic.  from what i heard is that the stones waited several hours to come onstage since the last band played...it could very well have been 4-5 hours and people were getting totally wasted and stoned in the hot sun and were getting very edgy.  i don't think it was right of the stones to do this...they were lucky they made it out alive.

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It was just a one day event - not a weekend.

You're right about them keeping the crowd waiting - dont know if it was as long as that though - Jagger's excuse was that "my make up looks better at night"  Blank Frigging Stare (as if that would have been noticed in a crowd of 300,000 where only a couple of thousand people would have had a decent look at his face). They were pretty notorious on that tour for going on very very late though - at a couple of early shows it was maybe about 4 hours and one of the LA Forum shows wasn't over until something like 3-4 am.
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Not sure if the Dead not going on was the cause of the long gap before the Stones that led to more violence.  I can't imagine it being planned out that specifically amid such chaos.  Certainly a 30-minute Dark Star might have calmed down the crowd.  In hindsight, the Dead should have played.  They all admit it.
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I thought the Dead had been earmarked for the closing slot of the night - no?
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I thought the Dead had been earmarked for the closing slot of the night - no?


Right, after CSNY but before the Stones.   That would have given the sun the time to set so Jagger's makeup could look better under the lights (or so some cynical rendition of the story goes . . . )
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The dead would have cheered things up for sure before the crowd was plunged back into evil SFTD which didn't help much. poor song choice for a simmering riot


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The Criterion Collection version of Gimme Shelter is essential viewing for anyone on this message board.  The extras are truly wonderful.  It is well worth the money. What a post Ronnie!!!!!
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The dead would have cheered things up for sure before the crowd was plunged back into evil SFTD which didn't help much. poor song choice for a simmering riot




Agree in hindsight, but it was played at every show of the tour and a highlight, perhaps THE highlight, of their set, which didn't change much at all throughout the tour.  Besides, SFTD is less evil than, er, tasteful.  Cry Cool
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a 30-45 minute dark star, i think, would have put the crowd to sleep.  what an epic the weekend must have been.

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From Wikipedia

1969 Tour set list
"The fairly typical set list for the tour was:

"Jumpin' Jack Flash"
"Carol"
"Sympathy for the Devil"
"Stray Cat Blues"
"Love in Vain"
"Prodigal Son"
"You Gotta Move"
"Under My Thumb"
"I'm Free"
"Midnight Rambler"
"Live With Me"
"Little Queenie"
"(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction"
"Honky Tonk Women"
"Street Fighting Man"
There were some set list substitutions, variations, and order switches during the tour. Starting a trend that would continue for some years, the Stones ignored most of their pre-1968 catalogue, playing fewer songs from that period than they would songs not yet released.


Tour dates
07/11/1969  State University - Fort Collins, CO
08/11/1969  The Forum - Los Angeles, CA (2 shows)
09/11/1969  Alameda Co. Coliseum - Oakland, CA (2 shows)
10/11/1969  San Diego Sports Arena - San Diego, CA
11/11/1969  Coliseum - Phoenix, AZ
13/11/1969  Moody Coliseum - Dallas, TX
14/11/1969  University Coliseum - Auburn, AL (2 shows)
15/11/1969  Assembly Hall - University of Illinois, Champaign, IL (2 shows)
16/11/1969  International Amphitheatre - Chicago, IL (2 shows)
24/11/1969  Olympia Stadium - Detroit, MI
25/11/1969  The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA
26/11/1969  Civic Center - Baltimore, MD
27/11/1969  Madison Square Garden - New York, NY
28/11/1969  Madison Square Garden - New York, NY (2 shows)
29/11/1969  Boston Garden - Boston, MA (2 shows)
30/11/1969  'First Annual West Palm Beach International Music and Arts Festival' - International Raceway, West Palm Beach, FL
06/12/1969  Altamont Free Concert - Altamont Speedway, Livermore, CA

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From Wikipedia

1969 Tour set list
"The fairly typical set list for the tour was:

"Jumpin' Jack Flash"
"Carol"
"Sympathy for the Devil"
"Stray Cat Blues"
"Love in Vain"
"Prodigal Son"
"You Gotta Move"
"Under My Thumb"
"I'm Free"
"Midnight Rambler"
"Live With Me"
"Little Queenie"
"(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction"
"Honky Tonk Women"
"Street Fighting Man"
There were some set list substitutions, variations, and order switches during the tour. Starting a trend that would continue for some years, the Stones ignored most of their pre-1968 catalogue, playing fewer songs from that period than they would songs not yet released.


Tour dates
07/11/1969  State University - Fort Collins, CO
08/11/1969  The Forum - Los Angeles, CA (2 shows)
09/11/1969  Alameda Co. Coliseum - Oakland, CA (2 shows)
10/11/1969  San Diego Sports Arena - San Diego, CA
11/11/1969  Coliseum - Phoenix, AZ
13/11/1969  Moody Coliseum - Dallas, TX
14/11/1969  University Coliseum - Auburn, AL (2 shows)
15/11/1969  Assembly Hall - University of Illinois, Champaign, IL (2 shows)
16/11/1969  International Amphitheatre - Chicago, IL (2 shows)
24/11/1969  Olympia Stadium - Detroit, MI
25/11/1969  The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA
26/11/1969  Civic Center - Baltimore, MD
27/11/1969  Madison Square Garden - New York, NY
28/11/1969  Madison Square Garden - New York, NY (2 shows)
29/11/1969  Boston Garden - Boston, MA (2 shows)
30/11/1969  'First Annual West Palm Beach International Music and Arts Festival' - International Raceway, West Palm Beach, FL
06/12/1969  Altamont Free Concert - Altamont Speedway, Livermore, CA

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Mick's makeup looks better under the  lights? What a fucking ponce.
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Are you fucking serious?

This brings to mind of a John Fogerty Interview of playing at Woodstock, C.C.R. followed The Dead, they played for 3 hours, 25 minutes of that to tune up,  Roll Eyes the audience was asleep by the time Creedence came on, there was only one guy yelled out "We're with you John" & he said he played the entire concert for that one guy only.
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Woodstock was actually a disaster for the Dead, who played a much shorter than usual set  They went on in the pouring rain with high winds and could barely be seen or heard.  They had to slash a tarp behind the stage because the wind was so strong it started to move the stage like a sail, and Bob Weir was thrown six feet back when his lip touched the mic and fingers touched his guitar at the same time.  The abbreviated set included:
       -St. Stephen
       -Mama Tried
       -Dark Star/High Time
       -Turn On Your Lovelight

It's true Creedence followed them, but in fact they were friends from the San Francisco club scene and have performed together many times.  I think Fogerty's story is embellished, but he may have been commenting on the impracticality of attempting to play Dark Star in a gale force wind.  CCR's Woodstock set, after the weather had cleared:

       -Born On The Bayou
       -Green River
       -Ninety-Nine And A Half (Won't Do)
       -Commotion
       -Bootleg
       -Bad Moon Rising
       -Proud Mary
       -I Put A Spell On You
       -Night Time Is The Right Time
       -Keep On Choogin'
       -Suzy Q

The Who came on next, with the sun rising right at the climax of Tommy.
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You know what? Creedance would have to be the most over looked band in history. At one stage, they outsold EVERYONE. Released some out and out classics - yet seem to be forgotten. They never seem to make any list of influential bands & their songs never get into top 10, 100, 500 lists. None of their albums are ever mentioned.

It's really weird.

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Creedence had five #2 singles without ever having a #1, the most of any band. Blank Frigging Stare
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Woodstock was actually a disaster for the Dead, who played a much shorter than usual set  They went on in the pouring rain with high winds and could barely be seen or heard.  They had to slash a tarp behind the stage because the wind was so strong it started to move the stage like a sail, and Bob Weir was thrown six feet back when his lip touched the mic and fingers touched his guitar at the same time.  The abbreviated set included:
       -St. Stephen
       -Mama Tried
       -Dark Star/High Time
       -Turn On Your Lovelight

It's true Creedence followed them, but in fact they were friends from the San Francisco club scene and have performed together many times.  I think Fogerty's story is embellished, but he may have been commenting on the impracticality of attempting to play Dark Star in a gale force wind.  CCR's Woodstock set, after the weather had cleared:

       -Born On The Bayou
       -Green River
       -Ninety-Nine And A Half (Won't Do)
       -Commotion
       -Bootleg
       -Bad Moon Rising
       -Proud Mary
       -I Put A Spell On You
       -Night Time Is The Right Time
       -Keep On Choogin'
       -Suzy Q

The Who came on next, with the sun rising right at the climax of Tommy.


For as much as they've disparaged it over the years, The Who 100% absolutely stole the show and were *THE* band at Woodstock...they blew everyone else away...
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Re: Previously unseen Altamont footage
Reply #33 - Jun 5th, 2009 at 10:51am
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Gazza wrote on Jun 4th, 2009 at 6:03pm:
Tumbled wrote on Jun 4th, 2009 at 3:36pm:
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ahem.....  Angry  piss off

http://rocksoff.org/1969.htm

I spend two months compiling setlist pages for you to use wikipedia????


(Relax..it's only mock outrage, I'm yankin' yer chain.... Wink - and at least wiki actually used us a reference - see their 'external links' -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rolling_Stones_American_Tour_1969



Gazza. Had I known you were the mastermind behind the wikipedia article I certainly would have gone to the rocks off source and never meant to step on your toes Pardonez moi.  Thanks for the research. its fun isn't it
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