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Mel Belli

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Re: Out of tears or Almost hear you sigh?
Reply #25 - May 17^th, 2009 at 7:29pm

Gazza wrote on May 17^th, 2009 at 1:28pm:

I'm not so sure it's comparable, Mel. Mick and Keith's track record in squeezing collaborators out of the publishing royalties suggests that if someone gets a co-credit along with them, then they've REALLY done something to earn it.

With 'Lonely at the top' its a bit different because the song was originally written for a Rolling Stones project - and presumably was copyrighted. If one of the Glimmer Twins gets a credit or co-credit for a Stones song, then they BOTH get it. Which is a bit unfortunate for Ronnie, for example, with regards to Dirty Work as he co-wrote most of the album with Keith, but ended up seeing the royalties for the songs split three ways between himself, Mick and Keith.

You may be right. Although, Mick and Keith -- well, maybe just Keith -- have gotten more generous about it over the years. Leavell got one -- having asked for one at the outset. Then again, Pierre DeBeauport was surprised when he got one.

But I think the basic legal principle was the same in both the case of "Lonely" and AHYS. It seems to me that the Richards/Jordan was a rubber stamp on the Talk Is Cheap project, no matter who came up with what, in much the same way that the Jagger/Richards byline goes on everything willy-nilly.

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Gazza Unholy Trinity Admin Offline Rat Bastid "We piss anywhere, man.." Posts: 13,201 Belfast, UK Gender:	Re: Out of tears or Almost hear you sigh? Reply #26 - May 18^th, 2009 at 6:36am Leavell's co-credit was on "Back To Zero", wasn't it? Maybe that was Mick's way of saying "Look - we know this one's a turd, so if we give Chuck a writing credit, it'll deflect the blame.."
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Mel Belli Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 1,298	Re: Out of tears or Almost hear you sigh? Reply #27 - May 18^th, 2009 at 8:43am LOL. Plus, Mick was so tapped out at that point. He was probably like, "You got something? Anything? I'll take it!"
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Re: Out of tears or Almost hear you sigh?
Reply #28 - May 21^st, 2009 at 5:33pm

Gazza wrote on May 16^th, 2009 at 8:36pm:

Really? It's on mine, although I dont think I ever bought the Virgin remaster. Maybe its just on the CBS original.

Jordan definitely co wrote it with Keith for Talk is Cheap. There's an outtake of it in circulation. Mick rewrote some of the lyrics and it was 'polished up' for Steel Wheels.

Yeah, I rechecked later & it is on my copy too. I could have sworn it wasn't. Like Ronnie, we're all getting older.

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Re: Out of tears or Almost hear you sigh?
Reply #29 - May 21^st, 2009 at 5:42pm

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Gazza wrote on May 16^th, 2009 at 8:36pm:

Yeah, I rechecked later & it is on my copy too. I could have sworn it wasn't. Like Ronnie, we're all getting older.

Unfortunately, unlike Ronnie, the women arent getting younger.

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Out of Tears 6 (35.3%) Almost Hear You Sigh 11 (64.7%) Total votes: 17 « Created by: sweetcharmedlife on: May 12^th, 2009 at 10:00pm »