real wild child wrote on Nov 12^th, 2008 at 6:12pm:



Let It Bleed, Exile and ER all followed albums which rank as their best and didnt come at a time when there was talk of Mick and Keith falling out.

True rock n roll and rough guitars - yes, but also a collection of largely mediocre (and in some cases downright awful) songs. If the songs arent there, then all the attitude in the world isnt going to salvage things.

Add to that a lousy production (Charlie never sounded worse), the worst singing style of Jagger's entire career (those horrible 'barking' vocals) and a Stones album where Mick's songwriting contribution was at it's lowest ebb ever. The whole thing was a mess with the five of them hardly playing together for much of the time.

They didnt tour behind it for two simple reasons - they hated each others guts and most of the band were in appalling physical condition. If they'd gone on the road, they'd never have worked together again. They probably wouldnt have even finished the tour.

Stu dying just after the album was finished summed the disaster that was 1985 up in a nutshell.

Best things on the album - "Sleep Tonight" and Page's solos on "One Hit".

The outtakes are better.

IT ROCKS.THE SNARL,BABY, THE SNARL(SEE MAXLUGAR 2002)

A superb album.  Mick's vocals on 'Had It With You' are some of his best, along with the drumming on the title cut (not Charlie)

The best thing in this albums are the covers, "Too Rude" and "Harlem Shuffle"...

Even the album cover is awful

We have to go through this every few months, RWC - the Dirty Work Defenders of inDecency (DWDD) are a smaller and more fervent collective than even the Emotional Rescue He Men.  You are correct in your assessment and obviously a free thinker able to escape the groupthink re: this album as the one Stones fans can kick around with impunity.

Yes.  It is evil.  Yes.  It is difficult.  Yes.  It KILLS.

I shall now sing the praises of "Hold Back", and Gazza will remind me that it's their worst song ever!


And to all them what hates the cover - buy the vinyl with the shrink wrap still on it, and it looks like they're all bathed in blood.  Problem solved.

lotsajizz wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 4:20am:



THAT IS CHARLIE ON THE DRUMS

BILL PERKS wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 7:10am:



Forget it, Perks.  Max has abandoned his post.  It is up to us to soldier on in defense of the rage, the might, the sheer onslaught of terror and brutality that is Dirty Work. 

Dirty Work brings a switchblade to a pillow fight.
Dirty Work spits in the listener's food before serving it.
Dirty Work runs you off the road and laughs while it gives you the finger.
Dirty Work steals your car stereo and makes you go buy a new copy of Dirty Work, because Dirty Work was in the CD player.

Nellcote wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 7:32am:


Dirty Work wicked pissahs anywhere, man.

Gazza wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 8:01am:


The DWDD's sources actually have him in India desperately trying to find as radical a blend of hard rock, slide guitar, hip hop and noise, in order to break away from the tired verse/chorus/middle eight trap he knows his songwriting has rutted into.   

"If you don't take chances you don't make advances," noted Jagger at the press conference.  "But I couldn't find nuthin' so bold as that sawng.  We will never again record anything as wild, weird, and unforgiving as 'Hold Back'.  Our best days, truly, are behind us."

The He Man Emotional Rescue Lovers Appreciation Society hereby honors all DWDD's memberships. You have full use of the facilities, just stay out of the hot tub. Pending Juma's approval.

WHAT PROSE!

Hear the voice of experience, a word from the wise
Grab opportunities while you're alive

Cause if you follow the crowd
Cause if you act like a coward
You'll end up yelling out loud

Hold back, you'll regret it some day
Choke on that, don't let it pass you by
Hold back, you better seize the hour

If you look in your history books, if you delve in the past
Stalin and Roosevelt, yeah, they both took their chances
And George grasped the nettle, it's do or dare
From the banks of the Delaware

Yes, don't hold back
Trust your gut reactions
Be bold, be bold, baby
If you don't take chances, you won't make advances, hold back

Yeah

Don't matter if you ain't so good looking
If you ain't sharp as a blade, don't be afraid

Hold back, life is passing you by
Choke on that, keep on moving
Keep on moving, yeah
If you run with the crowd, yeah, you're going to end up, end up in the madhouse
Shouting those cold walls down

Yeah, don't hold back

Hold back, you're messing with your life
Hold back, yeah
Life goes by fast sometimes, be bold, be bold
Be bold baby, you're wasting your time

I want your attention, so pin back your ears
I've been climbing this tree of promises for over 40 years
The visions get broken and bust on the ground
So watch me, watch me rebound

Yeah, don't hold back
You're wrecking your life, choke on that, yeah
Don't hold back, you're messing with your life
 
 

I have the outtakes which I prefer. Dirty Work I havent played in 20 years and It'll be another 20 before I even consider it. But gotta love those that do. Tastes are diff and whose to judge.

BILL PERKS wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 8:29am:


Listening to it now.

Its actually got a good lyric - I'll give it that.

Unfortunately it wastes 3 minutes and 53 seconds of my life rummaging around in vain for something resembling a tune to go along with it, Charlie sounds like he's drumming from Mars (plus it has that horrid 80's sound that has aged so badly), the solo sounds like it was cut and pasted from a different song by mistake and Mick's vocal resembles a mortally wounded dog going through the final stages of rabies.

..and then the intro to "Too Rude" kicks in and we're back on Planet Earth again. THAT's a groove.

PS - I'll quantify my earlier remarks about DW by saying that its a poor Rolling Stones album.

However, a poor Rolling Stones album still batters the best of the work of 98% of other acts into a bloody mess.

Ade wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 9:40am:


I ABSOLUTLELY LOVE THE WORD "SHITE"

LOVE THE SEEN IN TRAINSPOTTING WHEN THEY ARE TALKIN BOUT LOU REED'S RECENT WORK AND THEY SAY "BUT IN YOUR HEART YOU KNOW IT'S SHITE!"


MAY APPLY TO SOME WORKS WE DISCUSS HERE.

BILL PERKS wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 10:02am:


You are full of shite.

I haven't played it in a while, come to think of it I haven't seen it in a while. I asked the dj at a 1987 new years eve party to play it. He did and people danced. I later asked him to play another song from this album and I was dismissed.

I'm so tired (never bored) of writing about this record as I have done so countless times over the last 5 years on this board alone...and who knows how much and for how long elsewhere and now there seems to be nothing new to add.  The sound is out there and it speaks for itself.

Coming to "Hold Back", and this is something I don't remember writing about in particular....the sound is a thick wall of snarl...and 'the wall' aspect is most brought up to the imagination with the lines:

"...If you run with the crowd, yeah, you're going to end up,
end up in the madhouse Shouting those cold walls down..."

This part always 'gets me' and the romantic imagery that I envision for this is being in a madhouse and blocked by stone cold walls - similar to the ones that resemble the walls dripping fluid out of futuristic tubes from the nightmarish dream video for 'One Hit'

And then as I'm trapped in these walls shouting down my primal screams to a crescendo...the drums and the guitar parts towards the end of the song kick in...and now this is the point of transcendence that only the Stones and Dirty Work can promise me...and there really is no other place I would rather be - its also the point of catharsis or release - its a pity when the song fades away, it always seems to fade out sooner than it should - much like the guitar meshing master monster weave on the title track - now that's another story.

i think i listened to this cd once or twice in its entirety when it first came out in 84 or 85, i don't think i've listened to it straight thru since.  i remember liking one hit to the body and hold back and maybe 1 or 2 others, but that was about it.  there are maybe 4-5 stones albums where i like every song on them, exile and some girs and sticky fingers being 3 of them.  mick and keith probably knife fights during this period and it shows on the dirty work cd...hard rocking and nasty.

Can someone please tell me why they needed to bring in Jimmy Page to do the solo for One Hit?   What does he do that Keith or Ronnie couldn't?

Highlight of the one show I saw on that tour. Tix back then were much tougher to get.

My opinion: Dirty Work is the worse Stones album.  Frankly there is very little I like in it.   :hilarious

It's a fu**ing depresing album in a depresing time !
Everything is really awfull with the Dirty Work album, the songs, the cover. Mick didn't contribute at all.
He saved the best songs for his upcomming solo project. That's one reason Ronnie got many credits.
I think even Charlie was in a bad shape, that period. Wasn't that his junkie period ???
And Stu fell down dead .

They acomplish the 76 tour with Keith half death, so why not ?

I have heard of a "Biff Hitler Trio" helping on Dirty work, who are they ?

axl79 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2008 at 8:46am:


ALAN ROGAN,CHARLEY DRAYTON,STEVE JORDAN DURING THE NY PHASE OF MIXING

GAZZA ,LOVE THAT AVATAR!!

ONE HIT WAS PRETTY GOOD LIVE IN PHILLY IN 89

HARLEM SHUFFLE WAS STELLAR THRUOUT THE TOUR!

Gazza wrote on Nov 21^st, 2008 at 10:17am:


Gazza...what boot is that version on? Thanks in advance!

Thanks Gazza great info. I have a version which is a red covered cd with Strictly Memphis and other tunes on it.I'll take a look at it when I get home.Is that rare tune you have available for d'l or email by chance?

Gazza. the collection I have is a 2 disc set from an Italian boot company Bear Garden..called Dirty Work 1 The Outtakes...There is a what they call previuosly unreleased 5.14 min version of Keith's Baby Your Too Much..maybe thats it.It says all tracks from July 16-August 17/85 sessions at RPM Studios NYC.Total of 18 tracks on 2 cds including the 15 min plus Invitation duet with Bobby Womack.
No the track of Baby Your Too Much....I have has no sax solo in it...........Damn!

Gazza wrote on Nov 21^st, 2008 at 6:03pm:


Unfortunately there is no sax on my version.

Somebody just put this up on youtube.  Keith and The David Letterman guy gettin in tune with Sleep Tonight, for Friday Night Videos.  This is part 2 of about 10. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVsRplX27qg

robpop wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2008 at 1:12am:



Going off topic...so I will follow...I LOVE UNDERCOVER...I have heard some FANTASTIC remixes of alot of UC songs...especially Too Much Blood...a great and fun song!!!

done. it is one file, about 5mb in size, so rather than start a torrent, i put it up on $end$pace - just click the link below, and then scroll down to the download link ("bytm.zip"), click it, and your download should start. this should be up for like two weeks, and if we need to put it up again after that time, we can easily do so...

link


many thanks, gazza. great stuff, indeed!

Gazza wrote on Nov 24^th, 2008 at 7:42pm:

Yes..

I second that...

Thanks for the upload Mac!!

been around, i just havent posted in a while...

yup - i am in socal, and no, the fires didnt get me. thx for asking!!!

Mac thanks a ton for posting that track! Its great as Gazza says.Nice to see you back here too.