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Re: Anyone have The Nazi/IORR comparison photos? .
Reply #25 - Nov 11th, 2008 at 8:51pm
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What I meant, Ian, was what do you make of it?  I'm not quite sure, myself.


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Is it coincidence, or not? It is a "almost" too close to make a definitive call for me. With that being said I gotta say while it is debatable, still I think it is just a little too similar all the way around and was done purposefully.

I am not saying The Stones put him up to it. They certainly may not of. Did all, or any of them even know at that time that it was being done purposefully...? hmmm I am not sure.  I do think that it, while having a narrow and debatable margin of doubt, I gotta say yes the artist purposefully molded it directly after the Nazi photo.

I see just a slight tad more to put me over the edge of having more than a reasonable doubt it was any sort of coincidence. It is just too similar and a bit too coincidental with how The Stones were with their already controversial, anti-establishment, and all around bad-boy image.


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Reply #26 - Nov 11th, 2008 at 9:09pm
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it's a complicated thing trying to figure out what Paellart is trying  to get at  - well it seems so to me - one explanation perhaps e.g. the loathsome portrayal in the nazi uniforms may be some allusion as to how the stones were themselves viewed by the establishment -  decadant evil and depraved, operating within a very elite gang with it's own codes and mores way beyond the pale

the IORR thing maybe no more than an elaborate joke - the humour of which would be very much to the individual taste -tho at that stage in their career there probably were some parallels to be drawn in terms of the slavishness of the their followers (that's us man!!- re the stones  I mean Wink)

another thing is Hitler and his "band" were the first to use the tools of 20th century communications - in particular  the electronically amplified Public Address system and the radio (sound familiar) to whip their followers into a frenzy - in some respects hitler was the first "rock star" type figure of the 20th C. Bowie, too, was floating these ideas around at about the  same time as well (see fascist comments scandal circa Station to Station). Those Nuremberg rallies  - all light show, spectacle and loud noises with emotions stirred to orgiastic levels (sound familiar) pre-dated stadium rock by nearly 40 years

then there is the simple "shock" value of the whole thing . As Julian Temple said about Sid's swastika T- shirts - he may not have appreciated the finer historical meaning behind it (tho he quite likely did) but he knew for certain it would get a reaction - I mean, what was Mick thinking when he launched into the goose step during Satisfaction at that Greman concert in the early ' 60's?? (shades of John Cleese!)

i agree with your comments re Hitler and the nazi's Voodoo (and would say Stalin gave him a run for his money) but they are an historical reality that, however heinous, cannot be denied
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Reply #27 - Nov 12th, 2008 at 3:50pm
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Nellcote wrote on Nov 11th, 2008 at 8:15pm:
Voodoo Chile in Wonderland wrote on Nov 11th, 2008 at 8:05pm:
I don't know why Guy Peellaert, is so obssesive with the Stones and the Nazis, probably those pictures of Brian and Anita inspired him.

Some more repulsive images, this is probably the worst and by far, and please don't ask where is Bill  Shit!

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and this is the one of Brian and Anita.

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Even in this, there is a military guy standing in the back, not sure if Nazi or not but on the same

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Re: Anyone have The Nazi/IORR comparison photos? .
Reply #28 - Nov 16th, 2008 at 11:04am
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huh ~ I never knew about this ~ wierd that it disturbs me, since I'm not political or historical. The images creep me out.  Shocked
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Reply #29 - Nov 19th, 2008 at 6:21am
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.and with impeccable timing regarding this thread, Peellaert died of cancer on Monday in Paris, aged 74.


Story here (in French) - http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gLaPdBRDjSuUSFPamQh0vuxLfuZg


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Reply #30 - Nov 19th, 2008 at 7:00am
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Re: Anyone have The Nazi/IORR comparison photos? .
Reply #34 - Nov 21st, 2008 at 2:19pm
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Sorry that he just died, but this guy creeps me out.  In a painting he did that appeared in David Dalton's "Rolling Stones, the First 20 Years,"  the Stones are all in Nazi SS uniforms, except Mick how  is partially undressed (in drag!), Keith is drinking tea, and Charlie playing the violin and naked little girls are cuddling next to them.  It's horrible.   My scanner isn't working.  I couldn't find it on Google.  Does anyone have it?  

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