Mick's back-up band? Are you kidding?

"Mick is Charlie's singer!"  

jim, i think made things up as he went along...kind of like what mick does.  i think they are both great front men.

Sioux wrote on Oct 12^th, 2008 at 2:45pm:


When Jim was arrested for being drunk on an aircraft in November 1969, he as en route to see the Stones performing in Phoenix.

Ten Thousand Motels wrote on Oct 12^th, 2008 at 1:22pm:

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lol. At first I thought ...a back up band for Mick? ...who?...did Mick have a side project in the 60's I am unaware of...

I see what you mean. Another way it could of been put was "a better band he was singing for backing him up".

The Stones take The Doors on most planes. Morrison vs. Jagger?

Well they were so completely different. It is like Chocolate vs. Vanilla. Both very good in their own light.

However, I really think you got to give it to Mick over anyone.

He has, and displays sex appeal to both sexes!, charisma, detached irony, manic qualities, coolness, street toughness, masculinity, femininity, intellect, energy, an evilness, a happiness, athleticism, a boldness, an evasiveness, grace, sarcasm, prowess and at times comedy.. all wrapped up into one showmanship style.


Name one other front man that comes close to having all of those traits and some how makes them all work in one package, while all seeming so Mick Jagger. Some of these showmanship traits seem purposefully forced, some seem so natural, yet they all seem to fit his puzzle.


Ian

Ian Billen wrote on Oct 13^th, 2008 at 2:10am:



Morrison had all of those too, in some cases (ie intellect) even more so.

Bit of an unfair comparison to make overall, considering one of them didnt live past 27.

Ian Billen wrote on Oct 13^th, 2008 at 2:10am:


Why would you expect another front man to seem so Mick Jagger?

[quote author=Gazza link=1223835264/0#9 date=Bit of an unfair comparison to make overall, considering one of them didnt live past 27.

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One reason I didn't want to make it a j vs m thread. But I don't think Morrisons age at his death has much to do with his talents, even though it adds to the mystique I guess. 

I never saw the Doors live, but the first record I had of them was a live album and as I recall an eight track tape.

Both were/are fabulous front men. Live though Mick has a huge edge..and not just due to longevity. Many Doors live shows were drunk Morrison rants at best.I always feel the measure of a great lead singer occurs on stage.Before Morrison I'd consider these guys (of many) in no order either:

Freddie Mercury
Roger Daltrey
Robert Plant
Elvis
Iggy
Springsteen
Bob Marley

I'm not so sure.

Morrison moved to Paris mid-March 1971 and died on 3rd July. The Stones moved to France soon after the Marquee show on 26th March.

Jim and Pamela did take a road trip in April for a few weeks through the south of France, into Spain and on to Morocco, but there's no indication they took a detour to the Nice area.

Good account of his final months here : http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/1409/quietday.htm

This photo was taken at his grave at Pere-Lachaise cemetery in June 2005. It's in a lot better condition than it was when I had last visited in 1987. They have security constantly nearby and it's fenced off to prevent fans desecrating the headstone (and those of the other nearby occupants) which had been put up a few years earlier.



..and this photo, taken in June of this year, is at the front door of the apartment where Jim took his last bath. It's now an office.

Gazza Wrote:

"Morrison had all of those too, in some cases (ie intellect) even more so.

Bit of an unfair comparison to make overall, considering one of them didnt live past 27. "

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I am not so sure Morrison had "all" these traits although he had a few. Yes, Morrisson may of had more "intellect" or at least fronted it more than Mick most of the time. It was one of his strongest selling points.

What you should take note of is how many of these traits Mick certainly blew Morrison out the door with - energy, athleticism (still not in able to agree with you in that Morrison could be noted as being athletic)
androgynous sex appeal, charisma etc.

Jim was (sorrowfully and tragically) in the gutter at age 27 ..without any disrespect.  Jagger was still going strong at age 27, on a roll, in the middle of possibly the most productive musical output by any band in history, and was still in development to what he has become now so I don't think we can say Jim's legacy was way too short in an unfair analysis. Morrison was not exactly at the top of his game when he checked out. Mick was never even close to this condition. Even in his worse, drug ladled days the dude was NEVER even ever so slightly not able to perform and do his thing very strongly.

Jim (and the Doors) were really good. I like them a lot. In my top ten bands.

Morrison's stage persona was carried by his "stage presence". He had great "presence". A sight to remember and fixate upon by just him being up there.

However Jagger had great stage presence as well as well as a slew of other aforementioned qualities. I think Morrison fell short on many of them compared to Mick. As well I don't think he had them all as Mick did.

No disrespect to Mr. Morrison. I really admire and I dig The Doors. In addition, I think Mick takes anyone far as a front man goes pretty fairly and easily.

**In fact, doing what he does at his age, and by Mick still being Mick up there, with all he has been through, done, and paved the way for others it is sort of a "given" that you have to give the title of Best Front Man Ever to Mr. Jagger. It seems Mick gets considerably more votes than anyone when it comes to this, and rightfully so.




Ian

Gazza - you certainly cut a fine figure of a man - Mrs. Gazza must be pleased with herself -  you look very serious or is that a side effect of hanging out in cemetaries

you have an almost springsteenian caste to your countenance - he has irish roots - you're not related are you??

Ian Billen wrote on Oct 13^th, 2008 at 8:04pm:


Seriously Ian, who bloody cares? If you want to cherrypick some of your own points, have a blast.



Ian Billen wrote on Oct 13^th, 2008 at 8:04pm:



uh..the "given" you were referring to originally was that Mick is the greatest front man of all time. Now youre limiting that to merely comparing him with Jim Morrison. I've already stated who I think was 'better'. Pointless discussion if you cant even stay consistent about what exactly it is youre arguing about.

Ian Billen wrote on Oct 13^th, 2008 at 8:04pm:



I was unaware there was an election pending.... who bloody cares? I dont judge my opinion and taste on what other people like or dislike.

Ian Billen wrote on Oct 13^th, 2008 at 8:04pm:



..and Mick.

Gazza on the trail of Morrison haunts....CSI Gazza......

he would have been pushing up daisies by the time the Exile sessions started, though.

Another Stones 'connection' is the recent development in the mystery surrounding his death. One of the possible scenarios alluded to in that book (the original version anyway - later versions have an epilogue) is the one of him taking a heroin overdose in the wonderfully named Rock 'n' Roll Circus nightclub before being covertly returned to his apartment. A recent claim gives more weight to that scenario - with the heroin being supposedly obtained from a connection who also had links to Marianne Faithfull, who was also apparently present in the club that night.

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-466947/The-shocking-truth-pal-Ji...

Today would have been Jim Morrison's 65th birthday. A chilling thought.

I see his dad - Rear Admiral George Morrison - died just last week. He never did comment on what he thought of "The End"...!

Gazza wrote on Dec 8^th, 2008 at 6:16am:


I don't think his Dad even liked rock music, much less The End, which would really turn him off, Jim used to say in interviews that his parents are dead, that's what he thought of his parents.

In the book "Morrison" Jim meets Mick at the green hotel on La Cienega where Jim used to stay after being in the studio or at Barney's Beanery getting hammered.It was July 1968,they just talked about being famous and about dancing on stage.Great  book on Morrison.

I love the Doors when in the mood. But ya have to admit Morrison was just an out and out prick as a person. Not that it really matters.

Unreal that his dad died last week. Never heard that over here. I thought it would have made some media outlet. Give the old codger credit, he never cashed in. In fact, none of Morrison's family ever really cashed in. I suppose they didnt have to. Amazing family when you think of it. A book by Morrison's brother would be interesting. I guess it stands to reason Mick and Jim DID meet, but it must have been no big deal.

I prefer Daltrey's story of the Isle of Wight festival when he offered Morrison a drink of his booze backstage. And Jimbo drank the whole bottle! In this awesome WHO book i have, Townshend was so shocked by Morrisson's behaviour, that he wrote a song about it. Thinking about Petey today, i wonder if he fancied Jim? Bit of rough trade, huh? lol Or was it a poem or whatever. He also wrote something about Brian. Something like "Brian died every day" or similar.

I'd like to see a real good doco on the Doors. Maybe a factual mini series or something. The movie was ok, but too overblown. I have to admit, i am spooked by Manzarak though. The guy had 1 trip too many. And seems to have spent so many decades living and profiting off Jim's notoriety. Calling him a Shaman and all this shit.

Anyway, i love the Doors and to me, they are the best Yank band in history. I dont think anyone else was as good or original.