I think it would be interesting to have Woody write with Mick, Keith (and Charlie since he usually puts it all into place or works up some interesting stuff with Mick on a side note) again...at least for two to four songs.

Why not? We have had this Mick, or Keith, or Mick and Keith writing trend going since Steel Wheels.

Before this Ronnie at times had some writing input (although not much besides Dirty Work as I understand it). Ronnie has put out some decent solo stuff way back and has loads of experience, to put it mildly as far as being in a band goes. So why not have him there in the writing process. Charlie says he can add compliment to a song like no other, while at other times he can just get in the way.

Why not have him in there when the writing and working up a song takes place to see what works and what doesn't with his input? He may make things interesting on some stuff or hell ...who knows... may make some material even better than if it were just Mick, Keith or Charlie in there. He needs to be involved in things right now that veer him away from drinking/partying/picking up young Russian chics so it would be nice to have him as some creative input again (but not all over the place...just when needed).

I wonder if this took place if that would have any impact on the style and quality of the next Rolling Stones album or maybe it would change how it runs compared to the standard way of doing things?

What do you kind folks reckon? It would be interesting to see how this would change it up, if it did at all.

I think this would be a great "idear"... to at least give it a try. If they produce just one real good, or much better song out of it then that would be worth it. It could change things up or could be creatively more productive than usual. Plus .... It would give Woody an outlet, and keep him busy at the same time. I say involve the guy much more on this next album (just don't let him get in the way of when the others got it going great on their own).

Does anyone agree?


Ian

In theory, it cant do any harm. Keith has hardly been Mr Productive since 1994, so it would be a bonus. The reason he was all over Dirty Work after all is because Mick contributed so little, and Woody co wrote most of the songs with Keith. If the songs are good enough - use them. If not - no big deal.

In practice, its a different ball game. We know how anxious Mick and Keith are to have those publishing royalties all to themselves.

i think your idea is a great idea ian...the more the merrier as they say.  now instead of the next cd [not that i can predict the future or anything] being half/three quarters full of good songs, the whole thing can be good.  so, i say go for it, let him in.

Keith once said in an interview, "I write a song it's Jagger/Richards, Mick writes a song it's Jagger/Richards, we both write a song it's Jagger/Richards"

Guess he didn't want to add "I write a song with Ronnie it's Jagger/Richards, Mick writes a song with Ronnie it's Jagger/Richards, all three of us write a song it's Jagger/Richards"

Lol, THANK YOU! And when a song was Jagger/Richards/Jones, or Jagger/Richards/anyone else, it was ALWAYS just Jagger/Richards. And yes, they were always reluctant to put anyone else's compositions on one of THEIR albums {hello Bill Wyman and Mick Taylor!}

I would love to see it happen with Ronnie. BUT, I would definitely want to see credit given where credit was due.

But........Ronnie ain't in NO position to even be thinking about writing with the Twins right now. I wonder if he even thinks about music at all these days? He's gotta live through this "honeymoon" phase of his relationship with the Russian child.

Ian Billen wrote on Sep 29^th, 2008 at 12:30am:


Never received credit for Dirty Work? He has songwriting credits on about two thirds of the album.

Unless you assume only getting a third of a writing credit for a song he co authored with Keith.  Which isnt that big a deal as Mick and Keith only get a half credit for songs that they usually write themselves. Keith even got a co-credit on 'Lonely at the Top' when Mick used it on his first solo album even though musically it bears little resemblance to the Stones' version.


It'd be nice to see him channel his energies into something creative, but right now I'd be surprised if this time next year he's still breathing, let alone be writing songs for a new album.

"This new album and tour stuff now is hype to keep the band in the news etc for marketing "

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That is not true. They are working on an album. Work has already been started.



Ian

Gazza Writes:

"It'd be nice to see him channel his energies into something creative, but right now I'd be surprised if this time next year he's still breathing"

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Gazza, My goodness you are a pessimist.

I have seen people in far worse condition than Ronnie, who have rehabbed multiple times and have lived on for years.

They have said this about Ronnie a few times before and ...."wallah" the dude tours again as if nothing happened. It isn't as if he is on oxygen or a breathing machine.

Ronnie definitely has a problem. Sure it does take it's toll. But for cryin out loud people were saying this last time and the dude was going to the gym to work out!!!!!!! People who are on death's doorstep from drugs, liver failure, kidney failure etc. etc. are hardly in the physical condition (or mental) to go to the gym and work out. That alone is all the proof you need.

Now people have started this nonsense again.... Ronnie is not drinking non-stop as a few off hand reports have stated. Nobody has actually seen the guy take a sip of alcohol since rehab as far as the media is concerned. All reports from friends who are out with him on these so-called drinking binge party night outs insist he was totally sober, and drinking coffee only.

Next case: Ronnie's marriage is on the rocks with Jo and he is still seeing the young Russian girl...

Well... this scenario has truth from how I see it. It seems he still talks to the Rusky.  Jo and him do talk still as well but it certainly is a touchy situation and I do not see them appearing out to calm down the hype about their marriages uncertainty. We see Jo. We see Ronald. We don't see Jo and Ronald out together though. Like I said It is my opinion (just opinion) that they still talk quite a bit and do see each-other at times.   

Is their marriage actually "on the rocks" from all this?
Well....the dude isn't living back home now is he .... 


Ian

Insert visual of AJ confronted by bear out by the pool...

"Mommy Help!"

Gazza Wrote in reference to a picture he posted of Woodie with the Rusky...

"Looking at those photos published yesterday, thats quite a bold statement to make... Roll Eyes"

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Ok. I said there was truth to it didn't I? I said we don't see him and Jo out together anymore right. I gave every indication his marriage is on the rocks and I even used that exact phrase "on the rocks" right? What more can I say?


Gazza Wrote:

"These people you know - are they also 61 years old, with an alcohol and drug problem stretching back three decades, with emphysema thrown in and multiple warnings that their liver is about to pack up?

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Some were old, some middle age and some young. It is not an age thing. It is your bodies physical state at the time as you know.

Not to mention the addition of the obvious knock on effect brought by the psychological trauma which will undoubtedly follow when he realises he doesnt have his 'rock' of 30-odd years to bail him out, and yep, I can see he has a whole lot going for him, sure enough.

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You all said this last time.....  All the reports were mostly false that he was on deaths doorstop. The dude was fine. In fact he did a marathon tour with The Rolling Stones didn't he? He played fine didn't he? No dialysis, no liver replacement, no mention of ill health in that light all tour long. It is when Ronnie has nothing to do is when he gets into trouble. If he was so very bad he could never go to the gym man. In fact he would be trying just to heal himself not go to the gym. I have never went to the gym with any of these people that were truly in that condition. They would not make a single 1/2 hour let alone three to four hour and a 1/2 work outs per week which was reported.


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I did not see a picture of him in Ireland. I don't know "set in stone" he is not drinking. I am just assuming but based on what the evidence is. The evidence is zilch on this topic. Not a single ioda. My question is this.... If we can get pics of him with The rusky out and about with no problem ....how come not a single person has snapped a photo of him drinking yet on these supposed weekend long out and about drinking binges??? What about this blow-out weekend in Ireland? Where are the pics of him at the pubs drinking as was reported? Nobody has a cell phone to take a snap shot in Ireland I suppose? Strange wouldn't you say? I have not seen any evidence, nor has anyone currently close said he was back on the booze that I have read. Did I miss a quote from Jo? or something? Just a few articles from some online websites, or the Daily Sun or something stated this is going down.

These are mixed reports. There were some statements from close friends who said Ronnie had nothing but coffee because they were there out with him. They also stated those reports of his drinking binges were not true. This is why I am skeptical about his drinking at the moment (certainly I am not skeptical about his problem though. I am talking about since he left rehab).

Until I see proof, or until someone currently close to him at this time says he is back on the booze I am certainly reluctant to believe it all.


Ian

In response to Gazza:

I was assuming you were speaking of a report that took off to Ireland since returning from rehab. Thats were I say I was sketchy about all that.

He certainly went wild for a couple weeks. However, I am thinking his physical health is not the real problem. I am much more concerned of his mental process. Is this Ronnies mid-life? Who knows? Even Rock Stars go through these.

If you are speaking of the next few years then anything can happen in that amount of time. I was thinking you assumed Ronnie could very well be dead in six months to a year. I am not seeing it.

I understand your concern in that he only has so many turns at this. Sooner or later it does catch up for good. The thing is, the dude only went drinking for a short period of time. It wasn't like he had been boozing like a mad man for three, four, five months straight. At least there were no reports of this. It was a week or so. this is why I think it could very well be a bit over blown.

Now is this thing with the Rusky over blown and hyped up as well. Sure. He is completely innocent. He and Jo seem to be doing fine and I think he is just meeting with The Rusky here and again like an old high school friend or something. .....Ok that's a joke. I think we all pretty much knew the answer to this one before me and you started on this.  Gee, It will be a good, good while before he and Jo could ever start to think they could get on with the rest of their lives and get over this. And that is assuming Ronnie gets himself together mentally, comes to his senses, and goes back to Jo... and that is only a guess.

The longer this goes on the harder it will be to have that option on the table for him. Sooner or later it will mar things too much to ever be even some-what the same with he and Jo. Sooner or later that option is gone and Jo is off with someone eles. Then it certainly will never be the same no matter what happens down the road so it would be silly to consider it.  It has already been some months with all this going on.
I think Ronnie will come to his senses and go back to Jo. I really do. It may be a while yet. The thing is as each week goes by he gets further and further away from the option of being able to salvage things. He is getting deeper and deeper in the "...that option is no longer an option" zone.


Ian

Ian Billen wrote on Sep 29^th, 2008 at 2:32pm:



I'm not medically qualified and have no insight to this, but if he keeps falling off the rails with the regularity he's been doing in recent years, I dont hold out much hope for him. I also think there's only so many times Jagger will tolerate his unreliability.

Jo has been a big crutch for him when he's fucked up in the past. If he screws up again, I'm not so sure his bit on the side will be there for the long haul. It takes a very special kind of woman to put up with a rock star - and one with chronic addiction problems - for three decades. He'll do incredibly well to find another woman that tolerant - I'd be amazed if its some bubblehead a third of his age. And when she flies the coopski, then what?

No wife, no girlfriend, no liver and maybe no band. Good luck to him coping with all that.

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