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Question: Who should have Mcain picked?

condi rice    
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geraldine ferraro    
  1 (3.0%)
hill    
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nancy reagan    
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queen victoria    
  5 (15.2%)
jenna jameson    
  17 (51.5%)
jenna bush    
  3 (9.1%)
alan keyes    
  0 (0.0%)




Total votes: 33
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Some Guy wrote on Oct 8th, 2008 at 12:04pm:
sirmoonie wrote on Oct 8th, 2008 at 11:53am:
Some Guy wrote on Oct 8th, 2008 at 11:32am:
feeling a little Hinckleyed.
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Mothafock says: M to the O to the O to the F.
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If'n I didn't know better, I'd say you were just trying to move the thread to the next page and pad your post count.
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Reply #1677 - Oct 8th, 2008 at 12:57pm
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sirmoonie wrote on Oct 8th, 2008 at 12:49pm:
Some Guy wrote on Oct 8th, 2008 at 12:04pm:
sirmoonie wrote on Oct 8th, 2008 at 11:53am:
Some Guy wrote on Oct 8th, 2008 at 11:32am:
feeling a little Hinckleyed.
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Mothafock says: M to the O to the O to the F.
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If'n I didn't know better, I'd say you were just trying to move the thread to the next page and pad your post count.

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Reply #1678 - Oct 8th, 2008 at 1:49pm
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Some Guy wrote on Oct 8th, 2008 at 12:57pm:
sirmoonie wrote on Oct 8th, 2008 at 12:49pm:
Some Guy wrote on Oct 8th, 2008 at 12:04pm:
sirmoonie wrote on Oct 8th, 2008 at 11:53am:
Some Guy wrote on Oct 8th, 2008 at 11:32am:
feeling a little Hinckleyed.
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Mothafock says: M to the O to the O to the F.
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If'n I didn't know better, I'd say you were just trying to move the thread to the next page and pad your post count.

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No.  Fuck no.  Absolutely not.  We are going to do this methodically, SomeMuff.  We will comprehensively and fairly catalog the failures of George Walker Bush III and the Bush Geeks in a manner consistent with the generally acknowledged scientific principles, analysis and study.

Here is our list to date (for summaries, please see respective posts)
1.  Trying to hire United Arab Emirates as American security force.
2.  Fleeing west in wake of 9/11.  Blaming secret service for itinerary.
3.  Glaring (and possibly gay) inconsistencies and contradictions with respect to usage of "Dubya" and "Bubba."

There are, of course, many more.  Shades of McWhirter Bros.  Developing......
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Reply #1679 - Oct 8th, 2008 at 2:07pm
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sirmoonie wrote on Oct 8th, 2008 at 1:49pm:
Some Guy wrote on Oct 8th, 2008 at 12:57pm:
sirmoonie wrote on Oct 8th, 2008 at 12:49pm:
Some Guy wrote on Oct 8th, 2008 at 12:04pm:
sirmoonie wrote on Oct 8th, 2008 at 11:53am:
Some Guy wrote on Oct 8th, 2008 at 11:32am:
feeling a little Hinckleyed.
...

Mothafock says: M to the O to the O to the F.
...

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If'n I didn't know better, I'd say you were just trying to move the thread to the next page and pad your post count.

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No.  Fuck no.  Absolutely not.  We are going to do this methodically, SomeMuff.  We will comprehensively and fairly catalog the failures of George Walker Bush III and the Bush Geeks in a manner consistent with the generally acknowledged scientific principles, analysis and study.

Here is our list to date (for summaries, please see respective posts)
1.  Trying to hire United Arab Emirates as American security force.
2.  Fleeing west in wake of 9/11.  Blaming secret service for itinerary.
3.  Glaring (and possibly gay) inconsistencies and contradictions with respect to usage of "Dubya" and "Bubba."

There are, of course, many more.  Shades of McWhirter Bros.  Developing......

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Reply #1680 - Oct 8th, 2008 at 7:23pm
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Barry O'Bama: Biting the hand that feeds is never smart!

From Dean Reynolds, CBS News reporter AND O'Bama flunkie:

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(NASHVILLE, TENN.) - After most of the previous 12 months covering Barack Obama's campaign for the presidency, it was interesting, instructive and, well, relaxing to follow John McCain for the last few days. The differences between the two are striking.

Obama is the big time orator, McCain is the guy who struggles with a teleprompter or even note cards strategically placed nearby. Obama's crowds are larger, more enthusiastic. McCain's events are smaller, but to my eye, better choreographed. And now with the addition of Sarah Palin to some of his events, McCain can boast of crowds that match Obama's in energy.

There is an urgency to the McCain campaign now that I don't think was there before. Due to the fact that he is running second, no doubt, but it may also be because McCain has a finishing kick. Whatever the case, he is sharper on the stump than he was before. (Though I would suspect a candidate running behind would want to schedule two or three appearances per day, instead of the one McCain usually does.)

It is true that McCain enjoys taking questions from the audience in town hall-style settings. That doesn't mean he is the master of that kind of forum, it just means he's good at it. He likes to converse with voters. Obama does it well too, but seldom achieves that intangible bond with the people that all politicians crave -- or fake.

Behind the scenes, where the public is not allowed, there are other differences.

Obama's campaign schedule is fuller, more hectic and seemingly improvisational. The Obama aides who deal with the national reporters on the campaign plane are often overwhelmed, overworked and un-informed about where, when, why or how the candidate is moving about. Baggage calls are preposterously early with the explanation that it's all for security reasons.

If so, I would love to have someone from Obama's campaign explain why the entire press corps, the Secret Service, and the local police idled for two hours in a Miami hotel parking lot recently because there was nothing to do and nowhere to go. It was not an isolated case.

The national headquarters in Chicago airily dismisses complaints from journalists wondering why a schedule cannot be printed up or at least e-mailed in time to make coverage plans. Nor is there much sympathy for those of us who report for a newscast that airs in the early evening hours. Our shows place a premium on live reporting from the scene of campaign events. But this campaign can often be found in the air and flying around at the time the "CBS Evening News with Katie Couric" is broadcast. I suspect there is a feeling within the Obama campaign that the broadcast networks are less influential in the age of the internet and thus needn't be accomodated as in the days of yore. Even if it's true, they are only hurting themselves by dissing audiences that run in the tens of millions every night.

The McCain folks are more helpful and generally friendly. The schedules are printed on actual books you can hold in your hand, read, and then plan accordingly. The press aides are more knowledgeable and useful to us in the news media. The events are designed with a better eye, and for the simple needs of the press corps. When he is available, John McCain is friendly and loquacious. Obama holds news conferences, but seldom banters with the reporters who've been following him for thousands of miles around the country. Go figure.

The McCain campaign plane is better than Obama's, which is cramped, uncomfortable and smells terrible most of the time. Somehow the McCain folks manage to keep their charter clean, even where the press is seated.

The other day in Albuquerque, N.M., the reporters were given almost no time to file their reports after McCain spoke. It was an important, aggressive speech, lambasting Obama's past associations. When we asked for more time to write up his remarks and prepare our reports, the campaign readily agreed to it. They understood.

Similar requests are often denied or ignored by the Obama campaign aides, apparently terrified that the candidate may have to wait 20 minutes to allow reporters to chronicle what he's just said. It's made all the more maddening when we are rushed to our buses only to sit and wait for 30 minutes or more because nobody seems to know when Obama is actually on the move.

Maybe none of this means much. Maybe a front-running campaign like Obama's that is focused solely on victory doesn't have the time to do the mundane things like print up schedules or attend to the needs of reporters.

But in politics, everything that goes around comes around.
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Reply #1682 - Oct 9th, 2008 at 4:12am
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From Dean Reynolds, CBS News reporter AND O'Bama flunkie:

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Ooh, that was funny! Apart from any political consideration, that is one sheltered, old, frustrated journalist. I especially love the ode to schedules that are "printed on actual books you can hold in your hand", not those nasty, chimeric emails!
And it's kind of amazing to see a reporter complaining about having to wait for an event to actually happen. The whole piece makes me grateful for online journalism.
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Reply #1683 - Oct 9th, 2008 at 12:51pm
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Caro, I watch that guy many nights & if he wasn't in the tank for O'Bama, I'd be knocked over. His reports usually begin with "John McCain attacked..." I'll let you know if I spot a change.
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Reply #1684 - Oct 9th, 2008 at 1:49pm
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Caro, I watch that guy many nights & if he wasn't in the tank for O'Bama, I'd be knocked over. His reports usually begin with "John McCain attacked..." I'll let you know if I spot a change.


Hi glencar! I was mostly complaining about the guy's attitude. He seems to think he should be treated as a good customer by the aides and as a buddy by the candidate. I can understand that he would be annoyed by the delays etc. But to actually write a column about them, and to imply that Obama will have to pay -- that's pretty outrageous.
Anyway, if he's actually in the tank for Obama, maybe that article is just his way of showing that he's fair & balanced.
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Reply #1685 - Oct 9th, 2008 at 2:17pm
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That article came out of left field. The O'Bama campaign has been rather cocky of late even though most polls show a still-tight race & this is probably just an example of frustration with that attitude.
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Reply #1686 - Oct 10th, 2008 at 9:44pm
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George Walker Bush III's 11th hour decision to fulfill his socialist dreams deserves at least twenty places on our commemorative list of things to laugh at Bush Geeks about.  He proved himself not just the massive inept fool we are used to, but an absolute maniacal socialist as well.  And not just the big government type we've seen since day one.  No way, this guy, it turns out, believes in socialism to the core.  Who else would flat out utter "The government is the only institution patient enough to buy these assets at their current low prices and hold them until their prices return to normal."

Seriously.  He said that.  Not as a joke, he wasn't quoting Marx as a conversation piece, probably not even out of his usual stupidity.  George Walker Bush III said that in his position as President of the United States of America.  I swear to fucking god he did, I watched it.

Think about what he said.  Just think about the import of that statement by George Walker Bush III.  Think about the mentality of someone who would say such a thing.  Think about the mentality of his apologists too.

So, there it is.  No. 4: Goober tells America - "The government is the only institution patient enough to buy these assets at their current low prices and hold them until their prices return to normal."
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Reply #1687 - Oct 11th, 2008 at 1:55am
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BERLIN, Germany (CNN) -- His phone number was published in a German phone directory -- Rafid Alwan, whose claims that Saddam Hussein was producing biological agents helped launch the Iraq war.
Rafid Alwan says he wants to return to Iraq to work for his people and his country.

He was reluctant to speak on the record, initially denying he was Iraqi or that he was the defector dubbed "Curveball" by the CIA. But eight months after we first contacted him, Alwan agreed to an interview, and we met in an anonymous hotel room in a southern German town.

Trying to get details from him was difficult -- he spoke at length, often launching into a flowery history of Iraq or a description of Hussein's crimes, and in Arabic, which meant we had to wait after each answer for a translation.

We spoke for more than three hours, Alwan sitting across the room from me, wearing a stylish black suit. But in the end, he hadn't said very much at all.

In the run-up to the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003, Secretary of State Colin Powell delivered a dramatic presentation to the U.N. Security Council. The United States had first-hand accounts, he said, detailing how Hussein was secretly creating biological agents using mobile laboratories in "road-trailer units and rail cars."

As slides depicting drawings of the supposed germ labs flashed on a big screen in the Security Council's chamber, Powell drove his point home:

"The source is an eyewitness, an Iraqi chemical engineer, who supervised one of these facilities."

Just days after Powell's presentation, U.N. weapons inspectors presented evidence they said disproved those claims. But six weeks later, on March 20, 2003, the United States launched its invasion, toppling Hussein's government in three weeks but locking itself in a war against an insurgency that has cost more than 4,000 American lives.

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No biological weapons, no germ labs, no weapons of mass destruction of any kind were found in Iraq after the invasion. Curveball -- Rafid Alwan -- remained in hiding in Germany, where he had been interviewed by the German intelligence service, the BND.

Subsequent U.S. investigations into the intelligence failure around the claims found that German intelligence considered the defector "crazy" and "out of control," while friends said he was a "liar."

And, it turned out, the CIA not only never spoke with him, it never even saw transcripts of the German interviews, only the Germans' analysis of the interviews.

Alwan brought with him to our meeting documents to prove his identity, certificates saying he has a degree in chemical engineering from Technical University in Baghdad and a student ID card from a German college. Multiple intelligence sources told CNN that the man we spoke with was, indeed, Curveball.

But Alwan told us he never told the BND that Iraq was producing weapons of mass destruction, and he said many other things said about him were false.

"There are many wrong statements made about me, and I want to declare it one by one. I have documents proving that everything said about me is false," he said.

"No," he said, "I never told anyone Saddam Hussein was producing weapons of mass destruction."

When I pressed him about Powell's use of his information, Alwan said in German with an Arabic accent, "That is Colin Powell's problem."

He said that as long as he is living in Germany, he will never tell the full story of what information he passed on to the BND.

"It is not true that I am the only person who said things about Iraq," he said. "There are so many other people who gave information as well. Right now I am trying to protect my children. They have been through hard times with me."

And then Alwan got nervous. He wiped his face often and lit a new cigarette after almost every question. He seemed uncomfortable in front of the camera.

Alwan had brought with him a second man, introduced only as "Mr. Ali." Mr. Ali was also wearing a flashy suit with a peach-colored shirt, and he seemed to be coaching Alwan, making strange signals behind my back.

As I talked to Alwan, I could feel the wind from Mr. Ali frantically waving his arms. Whenever Alwan began to offer details, Mr. Ali made a time out signal with his hands, and Alwan stopped talking.

When he wasn't prevented from talking by Mr. Ali, Alwan answered questions in a roundabout manner, sometimes backtracking and correcting himself, sometimes telling completely different stories in the same sentence.

Alwan came to Germany in 1999 seeking asylum and was picked up by the German intelligence service, which questioned him. According to intelligence sources, Alwan told the BND that Hussein had a secret biological weapons program, and that the cover was a seed purification plant in Djerf al Nadaf, a site just north of Baghdad, where mobile weapons labs in truck trailers would pick up the biological agents.

It begs the question: How could the BND and CIA trust Alwan's information with the stakes so high?

While he provided little detail during our interview, Alwan insisted that Hussein was producing weapons of mass destruction, and that he had worked on one of the weapons projects.

Norbert Juretzko, a former BND officer who is familiar with the Curveball case, now criticizes the German intelligence service for its handling of the matter. The BND wanted so badly to believe Alwan, Juretzko said, that the case officers didn't notice inconsistencies in his story.

"He was put under pressure by the BND: 'Tell us something,'" Juretzko said. "They were desperate for something. They gave him money, privileges, a visa and the like. And so this man used his imagination to get all these things."

Alwan, however, claims he was never "an agent or spy for any intelligence agencies in the world. And I never got paid by anyone."

Tyler Drumheller, the CIA's station chief in Europe at the time, said he tried to warn his superiors at the agency about using Curveball's information. Drumheller said he thinks the Curveball case is one of the lowest points in the history of the CIA, but he does not believe Alwan was at fault.

"He was driven by his own self-preservation, and then he got caught up in the story he was telling, and then he just had to keep going," Drumheller said.

Bob Drogin, who wrote about the case in "Curveball: Lies, Spies, and a Con Man Who Caused a War," called the episode "arguably the biggest intelligence failure in history."

"Never before have we gone to war on the basis of such an utter and complete fraud," Drogin said. "After 9/11, what we heard from the authorities was that they had failed to connect the dots that led to that scandal. In this case, they made up the dots."


But Alwan made clear in our meeting that he does not feel remorse. He said he wants to return to Iraq to work for his people and his country. And, he said, he feels the Iraq war was justified.

"I feel that America offered to Iraq what no other country can offer to Iraq," he said near the end of the interview. "America sacrificed its people and its money and its position to free a dictatorial country
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