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left shoe shuffle Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 4,141	Re: Most Self- Destructive Artist Alive or Dead. Reply #26 - Jul 5^th, 2008 at 1:02pm Quote: how fake. thats black magic marker and heinz ketchup. Dude. Really. There are links to Allin's exploits posted in this very thread. You might want to edumacate yourself just a wee bit and then you'll see how wrong you are.
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GotToRollMe Rocks Off Regular Offline 'soft and freaky' Posts: 1,918 Gender:	Re: Most Self- Destructive Artist Alive or Dead. Reply #27 - Jul 5^th, 2008 at 1:51pm stonedinaustralia wrote on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 5:24am: as far as I'm concerned there's a huge amount of daylight between this guy and whoever comes second GG Allin imho it's a no brainer - and he's not even on the list Yep, I agree. GG was in a real hurry to die - and he finally got his wish.
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left shoe shuffle Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 4,141	Re: Most Self- Destructive Artist Alive or Dead. Reply #28 - Jul 5^th, 2008 at 3:56pm Factory Girl wrote on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 3:49pm: Wait a minute!!! I need to be enlightened about GG Allin. Click those links, or Google "GG Allin"...
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Factory Girl Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 2,194 US Gender:	Re: Most Self- Destructive Artist Alive or Dead. Reply #29 - Jul 5^th, 2008 at 4:09pm Gazza, I read the links you so kindly provided. Geez, he must have sucked. And, I don't say that lightly. When you NEED to do what he did to get someone to pay attention, you're best off dead.
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Reply #30 - Jul 5^th, 2008 at 4:12pm

Factory Girl wrote on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 4:09pm:

Gazza,

I read the links you so kindly provided.

Geez, he must have sucked. And, I don't say that lightly.

When you NEED to do what he did to get someone to pay attention, you're best off dead.

On the bright side, at least he didnt smell any worse AFTER he died than when he was alive....

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Reply #31 - Jul 5^th, 2008 at 4:18pm

Gazza wrote on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 4:12pm:

Factory Girl wrote on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 4:09pm:

Gazza,

I read the links you so kindly provided.

Geez, he must have sucked. And, I don't say that lightly.

When you NEED to do what he did to get someone to pay attention, you're best off dead.

On the bright side, at least he didnt smell any worse AFTER he died than when he was alive....

God Love Ya, Gaz. You are a very very sick Man!!! Grin

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Factory Girl Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 2,194 US Gender:	Re: Most Self- Destructive Artist Alive or Dead. Reply #32 - Jul 5^th, 2008 at 5:11pm My dear Gazza, Death has a reason for the death smell. GG Allin, in life, had no reason. I'm very open minded about musicians and their music, but if you need to do all this sick shit for attention.... he KNEW he WAS a LOSER.
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Joey I Have No Life! Offline Posts: 20,272 Omaha , NE Gender:	Re: Most Self- Destructive Artist Alive or Dead. Reply #33 - Jul 5^th, 2008 at 5:18pm " Omaha World Herald reports Allin was knocking back Bloody GG's at the Brazen Head last night " www.omaha.com www.BrazenheadPub.com
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Reply #34 - Jul 6^th, 2008 at 6:47pm

Gazza wrote on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 11:50am:

Cant believe Iggy isnt on that list.

however, as said above, GG Allin takes the biscuit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GG_Allin

..and an account of his final show, and death a short time later :

http://home.nyc.rr.com/alweisel/spinggallin.htm

Happy reading, everyone.

Thanks gazza for the reminder, yes, Iggy was a very self destructive guy in a big way, so was the guy who helped him in the 70's Bowie, he was so addicted to Cocaine, he weighed 90 pounds, & was a walking skelton, & in Frank Sinatra Jr. words "He's the most insane looking human creature I ever had the misfortune to lay my eyes on" after seeing him at the Grammy awards in '75.

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Reply #35 - Jul 6^th, 2008 at 6:57pm

Factory Girl wrote on Jul 5^th, 2008 at 7:33am:

SIA, Who is GG Allin??? Yikes, what an image. Shocked

hey there FG - I see Gazza et al have filled you in..of course it is all based on a very liberal interpretation of the word "artist".

I, of course, never saw the guy but i have spoken to a couple of people who have and it sure didn't sound like my idea of fun - not my cup of tea at all

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Reply #38 - Jul 6^th, 2008 at 8:10pm

I chose mine in terms of drug abuse and how they could and couldnt handle it, hence not goin for keith, cos at least he went for the best stuff and played etc

but you forgot, as mentioned above GG Allin, and also Iggy Pop! he had a terrible time, tho he was never relly self destructive, except when he was really down in the dumps circa 75

you also forgot probly one of the most, along with morrison i'd say, Bob Dylan! his whole life is tryna escape the fame of bob dylan and destroying himself and ppl around him because of it, also he was on heroin, coke and speed for like 2 years straight pretty much, lol, im sure he slept sometime tho, but he was buzzed thru 65/66 kinda thing - then theres the alcoholism thing in later life

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Reply #39 - Jul 6^th, 2008 at 8:40pm

homesickjameswilliamson wrote on Jul 6^th, 2008 at 8:10pm:

you also forgot probly one of the most, along with morrison i'd say, Bob Dylan! his whole life is tryna escape the fame of bob dylan and destroying himself and ppl around him because of it, also he was on heroin, coke and speed for like 2 years straight pretty much, lol, im sure he slept sometime tho, but he was buzzed thru 65/66 kinda thing - then theres the alcoholism thing in later life

Dylan's nearly 50 years into his career, so he's failed miserably at destroying himself...

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sweetcharmedlife Agent Provocateur Offline Do the horrendous to that if you can Posts: 11,932 San Mateo Gender:	Re: Most Self- Destructive Artist Alive or Dead. Reply #41 - Jul 6^th, 2008 at 9:13pm I don't know about most destructive. But one of the saddest among those gone too soon and one of my personal favorites who I mention any chance I get is Tommy Bolin. A world of talent gone way too soon....Don't let your mind go Post Tostie....
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Reply #42 - Jul 6^th, 2008 at 9:45pm

left shoe shuffle wrote on Jul 6^th, 2008 at 8:40pm:

homesickjameswilliamson wrote on Jul 6^th, 2008 at 8:10pm:

you also forgot probly one of the most, along with morrison i'd say, Bob Dylan! his whole life is tryna escape the fame of bob dylan and destroying himself and ppl around him because of it, also he was on heroin, coke and speed for like 2 years straight pretty much, lol, im sure he slept sometime tho, but he was buzzed thru 65/66 kinda thing - then theres the alcoholism thing in later life

Dylan's nearly 50 years into his career, so he's failed miserably at destroying himself...

Destroying themselves doesnt just mean early death, look whose on the list keith, still goin, and ron wood gave himself a bit of destruction thurout his life

but if you read that clinton heylin bio of dylan, behind the shades, amean he did destory himself, for example, deciding to do that never ending tour thing, it was to keep from goin crazy he said to keep his mind of rage or someting weird u'no, thats kinda tour regime at his age is self destructive

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Reply #43 - Jul 6^th, 2008 at 10:07pm

Cobain wins that. No doubt about it.

Lennon also.

And Moon.

Lennon and Moon! (LA, 1974; The Lost Weekend. Can you imagine the quality of the drugs in those days? I can't even find someone to give me any damn grass in my town!)

But it doesn't get any more self destructive than tasting a fucking bullet.

Anyhow, I'd like to mention, like honorable guest, Clapton. People hate him, maybe because he's boring and rich. But he was in Cream, people! They were heavy, dude. And original. Interesting stuff Ronnie!

I've read some chapters from his autobiography. Brutally honest in his depiction of alcohol. Funny and scary.

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Reply #44 - Jul 6^th, 2008 at 11:33pm

homesickjameswilliamson wrote on Jul 6^th, 2008 at 9:45pm:

left shoe shuffle wrote on Jul 6^th, 2008 at 8:40pm:

homesickjameswilliamson wrote on Jul 6^th, 2008 at 8:10pm:

you also forgot probly one of the most, along with morrison i'd say, Bob Dylan! his whole life is tryna escape the fame of bob dylan and destroying himself and ppl around him because of it, also he was on heroin, coke and speed for like 2 years straight pretty much, lol, im sure he slept sometime tho, but he was buzzed thru 65/66 kinda thing - then theres the alcoholism thing in later life

Dylan's nearly 50 years into his career, so he's failed miserably at destroying himself...

Destroying themselves doesnt just mean early death, look whose on the list keith, still goin, and ron wood gave himself a bit of destruction thurout his life

but if you read that clinton heylin bio of dylan, behind the shades, amean he did destory himself, for example, deciding to do that never ending tour thing, it was to keep from goin crazy he said to keep his mind of rage or someting weird u'no, thats kinda tour regime at his age is self destructive

In your intial post you disqualified Keith because you said he could "handle it".
If you're positing that Dylan is still self destructive, it's safe to say he can "handle it", too.

As for touring at his age, Willie Nelson and BB King are doing it at a more advanced age than Dylan.

Pinetop Perkins turns 95 today, and he's still out there playing.

Self destructive?
On the contrary, it might just be what keeps 'em all going...

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Reply #45 - Jul 7^th, 2008 at 6:18am

homesickjameswilliamson wrote on Jul 6^th, 2008 at 9:45pm:

left shoe shuffle wrote on Jul 6^th, 2008 at 8:40pm:

homesickjameswilliamson wrote on Jul 6^th, 2008 at 8:10pm:

you also forgot probly one of the most, along with morrison i'd say, Bob Dylan! his whole life is tryna escape the fame of bob dylan and destroying himself and ppl around him because of it, also he was on heroin, coke and speed for like 2 years straight pretty much, lol, im sure he slept sometime tho, but he was buzzed thru 65/66 kinda thing - then theres the alcoholism thing in later life

Dylan's nearly 50 years into his career, so he's failed miserably at destroying himself...

Destroying themselves doesnt just mean early death, look whose on the list keith, still goin, and ron wood gave himself a bit of destruction thurout his life

but if you read that clinton heylin bio of dylan, behind the shades, amean he did destory himself, for example, deciding to do that never ending tour thing, it was to keep from goin crazy he said to keep his mind of rage or someting weird u'no, thats kinda tour regime at his age is self destructive

Its obviously so self destructive that hes currently enjoying a creative peak and level of commercial success which he hasnt had for over three decades..... Roll Eyes

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Reply #46 - Jul 7^th, 2008 at 6:29am

homesickjameswilliamson wrote on Jul 6^th, 2008 at 8:10pm:

you also forgot probly one of the most, along with morrison i'd say, Bob Dylan! his whole life is tryna escape the fame of bob dylan and destroying himself and ppl around him because of it, also he was on heroin, coke and speed for like 2 years straight pretty much, lol, im sure he slept sometime tho, but he was buzzed thru 65/66 kinda thing - then theres the alcoholism thing in later life

HJW

having a addiction four decades ago and still being active today is hardly a good indication of being successfully self-destructive.

Dont know how you can say he's trying to escape 'the fame of Bob Dylan' when in the last few years hes averaged 100 shows a year in every corner of the planet for 2 decades, written the first of 3 volumes of his autobiography, issued numerous volumes of archives celebrating his past achievements. collaborated in a lengthy and high profile documentary about his life and career, hosted 75 editions of his own radio show, appeared in commercials for women's underwear and exhibited his own paintings.

While he values his own privacy, he certainly strikes me as someone who's increasingly become more at ease with his own celebrity.

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Reply #49 - Jul 7^th, 2008 at 10:15am

Gazza wrote on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 10:01am:

Ten Thousand Motels wrote on Jul 7^th, 2008 at 9:52am:

What about Macca?
He married Heather Mills without a prenup didn't he.
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he got away with it, though. Fortunately for him, she didnt have a leg to stand on...

Maybe not a leg....but unfortunantely for him she got plenty of cash out of him.

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