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Sticky Fingers reissue June 8, 2015 (new release date)
Dec 6^th, 2014 at 9:38am

New issue of the very reputable French magazine "Rock & Folk" features an interview with Don Was, who says he has been working on a 'Sticky Fingers' reissue for March 2015.

Tellingly, he mentions that it wasnt easy to find a lot of usable unreleased material as a lot of the songs from that era were used for Exile and Tattoo You (!)

Thanks to kowalski on IORR for the info.

Whats even more telling is that quite a few of the videos of thecomplete Marquee Club gig from 1971 have been removed from YouTube by Eagle Rock recently, which would suggest that, as has been hinted previously, this show might feature as part of the release.

(thread title edited 24th Feb to reflect more likely release date of May 2015)

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Re: Sticky Fingers reissue March 2015?
Reply #1 - Dec 6^th, 2014 at 9:54am

"Rock & Folk" features an interview with Don Was, who says he has been working on a 'Sticky Fingers' reissue for March 2015.

Tellingly, he mentions that it wasnt easy to find a lot of usable unreleased material as a lot of the songs from that era were used for Exile and Tattoo You (!)

Thanks to kowalski on IORR for the info.

Whats even more telling is that quite a few of the videos of thecomplete Marquee Club gig from 1971 have been removed from YouTube by Eagle Rock recently, which would suggest that, as has been hinted previously, this show might feature as part of the release. "

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andrews27 Rocks Off Regular Offline Wake up Bowie or we all through!! Posts: 1,598 Pittsburgh, PA, USA Gender:	Re: Sticky Fingers reissue March 2015? Reply #3 - Dec 6^th, 2014 at 2:08pm To hell with Marquee Club - Complete Leeds 1971 in stereo.
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Re: Sticky Fingers reissue March 2015?
Reply #5 - Dec 6^th, 2014 at 6:26pm

andrews27 wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 2:08pm:

To hell with Marquee Club - Complete Leeds 1971 in stereo.

Maybe we'll get that too.

Original album remastered already about four or five years ago.

Very few outtakes, with a large crossover of songs which were used for Exile or reworked for the Exile deluxe.

Very little known video footage or circulating audio from what is their least documented tour of the Brian Jones era.

A TV special which was never shown in the UK because the band thought the performance was sub-par.

All in all, while its undoubtedly a classic album, its not the most logical choice to get the 'deluxe' treatment.

Nonetheless, I will, of course, be all over the fucking thing.

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Reply #6 - Dec 6^th, 2014 at 8:56pm

Considering the crossover from the Let It Bleed, then Sticky Fingers, then Exile sessions, I'd think they could easily come up with a good bonus disc for this release (including the inevitable new overdubs and vocal tracks on some songs). That is if they can be bothered. I don't think the people who will buy this would care a lot, and probably would know more about when the actual songs date from than the Stones themselves.

I'd propose:
acoustic All Down the Line
electric All Down the Line alternative (earlier?) take
early Shine a Light (aka Get a Line On You)
Brown Sugar (Keith's birthday version w/Clapton and Al Cooper
Traveling Man

Just a few that are mostly complete and in excellent sound.

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Re: Sticky Fingers reissue March 2015?
Reply #11 - Dec 7^th, 2014 at 6:11am

Mr. Yeats wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 8:56pm:

Considering the crossover from the Let It Bleed, then Sticky Fingers, then Exile sessions, I'd think they could easily come up with a good bonus disc for this release (including the inevitable new overdubs and vocal tracks on some songs). That is if they can be bothered. I don't think the people who will buy this would care a lot, and probably would know more about when the actual songs date from than the Stones themselves.

I'd propose:
acoustic All Down the Line
electric All Down the Line alternative (earlier?) take
early Shine a Light (aka Get a Line On You)
Brown Sugar (Keith's birthday version w/Clapton and Al Cooper
Traveling Man

Just a few that are mostly complete and in excellent sound.

Most of those - Brown Sugar excepted and arguably Travellin' Man too - were surely songs that were under consideration for the Exile reissue though (and they released an early take of ADTL on the 'Plundered my soul' single already)

I agree they could come up with a good bonus disc of studio material - but it'd mostly be alternate takes. Most of the usable songs that were left off Sticky Fingers ended up being released on Exile a year later with a few overdubs added.

The reason why Exile was a double album to begin with was because they had some very good songs leftover from Let It Bleed and Sticky Fingers - and therefore there werent a lot of bonafide outtakes from Exile because they used up material from old sessions as filler (albeit magnificent filler!).

They dont tend to finish a lot more songs than what they need at the time. Understandably enough as theyre working to a schedule to get a record finished for a certain time and the concept of finding a use for these surplus songs on reissues of the albums four decades later was something that couldnt have been foreseen.

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Re: Sticky Fingers reissue March 2015?
Reply #14 - Dec 7^th, 2014 at 6:11pm

Gazza wrote on Dec 7^th, 2014 at 6:11am:

Mr. Yeats wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 8:56pm:

Considering the crossover from the Let It Bleed, then Sticky Fingers, then Exile sessions, I'd think they could easily come up with a good bonus disc for this release (including the inevitable new overdubs and vocal tracks on some songs). That is if they can be bothered. I don't think the people who will buy this would care a lot, and probably would know more about when the actual songs date from than the Stones themselves.

I'd propose:
acoustic All Down the Line
electric All Down the Line alternative (earlier?) take
early Shine a Light (aka Get a Line On You)
Brown Sugar (Keith's birthday version w/Clapton and Al Cooper
Traveling Man

Just a few that are mostly complete and in excellent sound.

Most of those - Brown Sugar excepted and arguably Travellin' Man too - were surely songs that were under consideration for the Exile reissue though (and they released an early take of ADTL on the 'Plundered my soul' single already)

I agree they could come up with a good bonus disc of studio material - but it'd mostly be alternate takes. Most of the usable songs that were left off Sticky Fingers ended up being released on Exile a year later with a few overdubs added.

The reason why Exile was a double album to begin with was because they had some very good songs leftover from Let It Bleed and Sticky Fingers - and therefore there werent a lot of bonafide outtakes from Exile because they used up material from old sessions as filler (albeit magnificent filler!).

They dont tend to finish a lot more songs than what they need at the time. Understandably enough as theyre working to a schedule to get a record finished for a certain time and the concept of finding a use for these surplus songs on reissues of the albums four decades later was something that couldnt have been foreseen.

G, let me ask you this (not to change album project topics), and I'll use Still A Fool/Two Trains Running as my example:
it seems unlikely that Abcko is going to give Stones Inc. much more latitude business wise to release anything more (even if the Stones wanted to) due to the Klein estate situation (correct me if I'm mistaken about that situation).

So here's my point: why couldn't Still A Fool appear on the Sticky Fingers release? To my way of thinking, Beggars Banquet, Let It Bleed, Sticky Fingers and Exile were all just one big productive session, resulting in four albums. But that's just me.
I think that song would fit right in (and on the Exile re-release as well). Obviously it's more than worthy of release. So what might be the hold up?
Business considerations? Trying to erase Brian from their history (that's him on slide, no matter what anyone says, and a brilliant last hurrah it is too) like they try to do with Bill? If it be copyright/royalties/greed, etc - surely the song is public domain by now (I seriously doubt it can be solely attributed to Muddy Waters).

Sorry for the meandering post, just interested in your views on these things.

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Re: Sticky Fingers reissue March 2015?
Reply #17 - Dec 8^th, 2014 at 3:30am

Wouldn't surprise me if Criss-Cross Man turned up on this one. I am told it would be out of place chronologically, but there's been debates on the SG and Exile bonus discs as well.

I'd like that one on an official release, so I wouldn't mind. Otherwise I'll be eagerly awaiting the deluxe treatment of other 70's albums. Without holding my breath.

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Re: Sticky Fingers reissue March 2015?
Reply #18 - Dec 8^th, 2014 at 7:35am

Mr. Yeats wrote on Dec 7^th, 2014 at 6:11pm:

Gazza wrote on Dec 7^th, 2014 at 6:11am:

Mr. Yeats wrote on Dec 6^th, 2014 at 8:56pm:

Considering the crossover from the Let It Bleed, then Sticky Fingers, then Exile sessions, I'd think they could easily come up with a good bonus disc for this release (including the inevitable new overdubs and vocal tracks on some songs). That is if they can be bothered. I don't think the people who will buy this would care a lot, and probably would know more about when the actual songs date from than the Stones themselves.

I'd propose:
acoustic All Down the Line
electric All Down the Line alternative (earlier?) take
early Shine a Light (aka Get a Line On You)
Brown Sugar (Keith's birthday version w/Clapton and Al Cooper
Traveling Man

Just a few that are mostly complete and in excellent sound.

Most of those - Brown Sugar excepted and arguably Travellin' Man too - were surely songs that were under consideration for the Exile reissue though (and they released an early take of ADTL on the 'Plundered my soul' single already)

I agree they could come up with a good bonus disc of studio material - but it'd mostly be alternate takes. Most of the usable songs that were left off Sticky Fingers ended up being released on Exile a year later with a few overdubs added.

The reason why Exile was a double album to begin with was because they had some very good songs leftover from Let It Bleed and Sticky Fingers - and therefore there werent a lot of bonafide outtakes from Exile because they used up material from old sessions as filler (albeit magnificent filler!).

They dont tend to finish a lot more songs than what they need at the time. Understandably enough as theyre working to a schedule to get a record finished for a certain time and the concept of finding a use for these surplus songs on reissues of the albums four decades later was something that couldnt have been foreseen.

G, let me ask you this (not to change album project topics), and I'll use Still A Fool/Two Trains Running as my example:
it seems unlikely that Abcko is going to give Stones Inc. much more latitude business wise to release anything more (even if the Stones wanted to) due to the Klein estate situation (correct me if I'm mistaken about that situation).

So here's my point: why couldn't Still A Fool appear on the Sticky Fingers release? To my way of thinking, Beggars Banquet, Let It Bleed, Sticky Fingers and Exile were all just one big productive session, resulting in four albums. But that's just me.
I think that song would fit right in (and on the Exile re-release as well). Obviously it's more than worthy of release. So what might be the hold up?
Business considerations? Trying to erase Brian from their history (that's him on slide, no matter what anyone says, and a brilliant last hurrah it is too) like they try to do with Bill? If it be copyright/royalties/greed, etc - surely the song is public domain by now (I seriously doubt it can be solely attributed to Muddy Waters).

Sorry for the meandering post, just interested in your views on these things.

Meander away! We should do it more often.

I think 'Beggars' is seen as more of a separate entity than the three albums that succeeded it (no changing line up, all new songs, all recorded in a relatively short time frame), but I take your point. 'Sister Morphine' originates from these sessions, after all (although the version on SF dates from an early 'Let It Bleed' session).

I dont think there's much of a problem with ABKCO anymore. Jody Klein himself even specifically stated this in an interview in IORR magazine a few years back.

There's been a huge amount of co-operation on archive releases in recent years (R&R Circus, 40 Licks, Grrr, Charlie is My Darling, Ya Yas box set etc) and as far as I'm aware UMG are the parent company for ABKCO outside of the US - I'm assuming that this new release will be on UMG even though the Stones' five year deal with that label has now actually expired.

I also think this is likely to be less of an issue in coming years. I mentioned on the Dylan thread today about another release for the 'Copyright Extension Collection' (which relates to officially releasing known recordings before the 50-year copyright expires, and therefore preventing them from becoming public domain recordings). This has happened with Dylan's recordings from 1961-64, The Beatles have done something similar and it can only be a matter of time surely before ABKCO and/or UMG are obliged to do something regarding the Stones.

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Re: Sticky Fingers reissue March 2015?
Reply #19 - Dec 8^th, 2014 at 7:36am

Mr. Yeats wrote on Dec 7^th, 2014 at 6:28pm:

Some interesting info on why big '60s artists need to release more from the vaults, business-wise.
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/beatles-bob-dylan-box-sets/

For some reason (probably my shitty work computer) I'm only getting a black screen for this link. Can anyone copy and paste the article?

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Reply #20 - Dec 8^th, 2014 at 8:08am

One of the great thrills of collecting music is getting a hold of some previously unreleased material by a favorite artist. And thanks to a revision in European law, Bob Dylan, the Beatles and other classic rock artists have been put in a position where they have to open their vaults to the public.

In 2012, the European Union extended copyrights on recordings from 50 to 70 years. However, the law came with a provision that copyrighted material had to be released within 50 years or else the songs would enter the public domain. Last year, Dylan and the Beatles, without much publicity, put out collections in order to retain their copyrights.

And they’re about to do it again. The New York Times reported that Dylan is expected to drop a nine-disc set of rare material from 1964. This is believed to include television performances, outtakes from ‘Another Side of Bob Dylan‘ and three sides worth of home recordings he did with Eric Von Schmidt, another member of the New York folk scene.

The Beatles have yet to announce if they will do anything special but, last week, the Beach Boys dropped a pair of albums. ‘Keep an Eye on Summer: The Beach Boys Sessions 1964′ is comprised of outtakes, alternate mixes and BBC recordings, while ‘The Beach Boys Live in Sacramento 1964′ contains two concerts.

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Re: Sticky Fingers reissue March 2015?
Reply #24 - Dec 8^th, 2014 at 11:51am

Gazza wrote on Dec 8^th, 2014 at 7:35am:

Meander away! We should do it more often.

I think 'Beggars' is seen as more of a separate entity than the three albums that succeeded it (no changing line up, all new songs, all recorded in a relatively short time frame), but I take your point. 'Sister Morphine' originates from these sessions, after all (although the version on SF dates from an early 'Let It Bleed' session).

I dont think there's much of a problem with ABKCO anymore. Jody Klein himself even specifically stated this in an interview in IORR magazine a few years back.

There's been a huge amount of co-operation on archive releases in recent years (R&R Circus, 40 Licks, Grrr, Charlie is My Darling, Ya Yas box set etc) and as far as I'm aware UMG are the parent company for ABKCO outside of the US - I'm assuming that this new release will be on UMG even though the Stones' five year deal with that label has now actually expired.

I also think this is likely to be less of an issue in coming years. I mentioned on the Dylan thread today about another release for the 'Copyright Extension Collection' (which relates to officially releasing known recordings before the 50-year copyright expires, and therefore preventing them from becoming public domain recordings). This has happened with Dylan's recordings from 1961-64, The Beatles have done something similar and it can only be a matter of time surely before ABKCO and/or UMG are obliged to do something regarding the Stones.

Meander I shall!
Weren't Midnight Rambler and You Got the Silver also from those BB Olympic sessions? Brian was credited with percussion on Rambler and autoharp on Silver...

Thanks for clearing up the Klein stuff. I'd thought there were still problems or bad blood.

So why no ABCKO-era expanded releases? You'd think, since 2002, that Stones Inc. would be all over a Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed release. Those would surely sell as well (and to the same people) as Exile and Some Girls. Lots of potential stuff there:
original Memo From Turner (perfect as is)
Blood Red Wine (kind of weak)
Stuck Out All Alone (also a bit week)
Jagger's You Got the Silver (perfect as is, and quite revealing and maybe of good curiosity value to casual fans as the band's been playing the song regularly in recent years)
Keith's Gimme Shelter (that's one I actually wouldn't mind a new vocal overdub on. Again - good curiosity value)
Maybe clean up Did Everybody Pay Their Dues? (more curiosity value).
And of course Still A Fool.

Can't suss out whether these copyright extensions apply to unreleased stuff (as in unknown material), alt versions, covers, what all.

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