Ronnie-Woody: I can’t say I fault Keith here. Slogging through Europe all summer doing a show every 4 or 5 days seems like a drag under the best of conditions. Add the family’s desire for him to not be that far away for months at a time, when Connecticut is in full bloom, and I really don’t see this being that big of a deal, and certainly not the end of the line.

Mick would appear to be in a bit of a bind now. I’m speculating but … If it’s true he is adamantly opposed to residencies, and if it’s true a major stadium tour of [anywhere] put off to 2027 is hard to imagine being viable, but Keith is only comfortable doing small-scale work now, either in (conceivably) a residency arrangement or an arena tour in the colder months,  or a series of promotional shows (PPV, Netflix, etc), Mick would have to be the one budge. If it’s true they need a few a weeks of rehearsals to make ANY live appearances worthwhile, then Keith might have to budge in that direction, but that’s an easy one; there is no indication he only wants to do poo-up guest duets these days.

We can play what-if all day, but it’s not realistic to think they are just letting the Stones Enterprise ball roll to a stop because Keith doesn’t want to spend next summer doing occasional gigs thousands of miles from home.

Set aside the money they might make, stadiums they might not fill, and the tepid performance of the B&B release and IMAX run. Those things might be in the equation for whatever is in store, but the Stones have given every appearance of guys who still love to play, and, as I noted at first, they’re still ambulatory, healthy, and popping up on stage here and there. Keith can’t play like it’s 1976, or 1989, but he can still play well enough.

As for this Epstein awkwardness, it’ll blow over quickly (for Mick).

If Mick had genuine exposure he’d have been sued (and settled) by now. We’d know if that had happened. As it stands, he’s in the same boat as Noam Chomsky, Princess Di, and other celebrities who had the misfortune of being photographed in Epstein’s social orbit. The attack media will have riper targets than a fully clothed, unaccused Mick Jagger.

For the last few years, I’ve been more concerned that a late-emerging story would come from the Me Too movement, from any number of underage girls Mick & Co might have been overly familiar with back in the day, and that didn’t happen.

I respectfully disagree with Revvy on this one. I don’t believe the imminent potential release of (benign) photos of Mick in proximity to Epstein had anything whatsoever to do with them calling off any possible Euro tour. I sure don’t believe Keith would take the bullet for Mick if that was the case (better to just say nothing).

It’s not insurance, Patti, the daughters or granddaughters, Mick’s foot, Keith’s arthritis, Trump, Epstein, Spotify performance, Charlie’s ghost, or the economy. And it’s not retirement.

I think Occam’s razor applies here. Keith simply didn’t want to do THAT tour at THAT time. It didn’t appeal to him. Full stop.

The sky isn’t falling.

Yeah exactly, I don't blame Keith at all for not wanting to go through the hassle of changing hotels ever 4 days for 12 weeks, I don't think it's a matter of touring Europe vs touring the USA, I think it's a matter of touring the way they've mainly done it so far, full-stop.

Out of curiosity I looked through the tour pages on IORR and they played this bunch of shows here in autumn of 2012:


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This is exactly the kind of "mini-tour"/"mini-residency" I'm envisioning for the album release. In order to accomodate Keith, it could maybe go like:

Rehearsals in NYC or even Connecticut, 3-5 shows in NYC, 1 week break, 3 shows in London
Or if they feel up to a little bit more travelling, it could even be something like: 3 shows NYC, 2 shows Chicago (not too far away for Keith to fly home after the show, especially with a break after that and before going to Europe), break, 2 shows Paris, 3 shows London

Imo this is neither a full tour that requires the kind of loads of travelling and changing cities/hotels that Keith doesn't seem to fancy anymore, neither would it be a classical residency of staying 4 weeks in only one place that Mick seems to be averse to, something like that could work well for everyone involved.

Actually I haven't seen a single one on IORR making a relatively normal and actually believable and feasable suggestion like that, they all either seem to be: omg they are never gonna play live again, this is the end of the world OR they are looking for absurd reasons why the tour has been cancelled (Epstein, Trump, Patti, Mick's leg, etc) instead of understanding that maybe Keith isn't up for hauling his guitar all over the place any longer at 82 yo while still having fun performing and not wanting to call it quits (based on his recent NYC performance)

And I don't think it's posting madness at all, I think they're gonna do something for the new album, they're the Stones after all, this could be their last ever record, they wouldn't just randomly drop it without any prior warning and any kind of promotional activity, so I stand by my belief that we haven't seen the last of them on stage

I could see a tour of Boston, New York, Hartford, Philly, and Washington DC

BiggestMistake wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 11:31am:

Goo wrote on Dec 21^st, 2025 at 11:50am:


 

I got the email.

Just another excuse to plug their merch, which i dont mind as long as its music, clothing etc, but their aggressive marketing campaign of plugging that Crossfire Hurricane rum went to far.  Two emails a day I was getting for that until I unsubscribed.

Yeah I also can see some streaming thing coming up, seeing how this seems to be popular among musicians atm, especially with the Taylor Swift thing I mentioned, she's the one others aspire to these days... I mean Keith already had a Netflix docu 10 years ago... really gotta rewatch that one, I only watched it once in 2017...

idk if any of y'all know Tokio Hotel, they were a 2000s teen rock band in Germany but also made songs in English eventually to branch out and also the two twin brothers Bill and Tom Kaulitz had to move to the US cause in Germany life was too crazy for them with fans camping in their parent's garden and crazy stuff like that... anyway, Tom is married to Heidi Klum now and he and Bill got that TV show on Netflix and it's SO much fun to watch, they're so hilarious and honest and approachable that even people who used to hate Tokio Hotel and say they don't like that kind of music at all, say they like Bill and Tom a lot cause they are great guys (amd this TV show made me listen to their newer stuff and ai even got a ticket to see them live next November after I wasn't allowed to see them when they were big in the mid-2000s cause I was only 14 😅)

So I'm thinking that a Netflix series about the making of HD and the new album or touring (stuff from the HD tour) or playing some live gigs for thr nee album that are broadcasted online could be an amazing way to reach many people who don't even think about the Stones at all on a daily basis

On Steetley Pier, just north of Hartlepool.
Definitely.