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Re: RIP Charlie 1941 - 2021
Reply #125 - Aug 25th, 2021 at 5:00pm
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Charlie Watts obituary: Jazz man who became rock superstar


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Drummer Charlie Watts, who has died at 80, provided the foundation that underpinned the music of the Rolling Stones.

The band became a by-word for rock 'n' roll excess but for Watts, playing with the Stones did not become the ego trip that drove Mick Jagger and Keith Richards.

A jazz aficionado, Watts vied with Bill Wyman for the title of least charismatic member of the band; he eschewed the limelight and rarely gave interviews

And he famously described life with the Stones as five years of playing, 20 years of hanging around.


Charles Robert Watts was born on 2 June 1941 at the University College Hospital in London and was raised in Kingsbury, now part of the London Borough of Brent.

His father was a lorry driver and Watts was brought up in a pre-fabricated house to which the family had moved after German bombs destroyed hundreds of houses in the area.

A childhood friend once described how Watts had an early interest in jazz and recalled listening to 78s in Charlie's bedroom by artists such as Jelly Roll Morton and Charlie Parker.

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He first played with the Jo Jones Seven on the north London pub circuit


At school he developed an interest in and a talent for art, and he went on to study at Harrow Art School before finding a job as a graphic designer with a local advertising agency.

But his love of music continued to be the dominating force in his life. His parents bought him a drum kit when he was 13 and he played along to his collection of jazz records.

He began drumming in local clubs and pubs and, in 1961 was heard by Alexis Korner, who offered him a job in his band, Blues Incorporated, an outfit that became a vital part of the development of British rock music.

Also playing with Blues Incorporated was a guitarist named Brian Jones, who introduced Watts to the fledgling Rolling Stones - whose original drummer, Tony Chapman, had quit the band.

'Mick Jagger's bum'

The result of that meeting, according to Watts, was "four decades of seeing Mick's bum running around in front of me".

Watts' skill and experience were invaluable. Together with Bill Wyman, he provided a counterpoint to the guitars of Richards and Jones and the preening performance of Jagger.

Early Stones concerts often descended into mayhem as eager female fans climbed onto the stage to embrace their heroes. Watts often found himself trying to maintain a beat with a couple of girls hanging on to his arms.

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As well as his musical ability, his graphic design experience also proved useful. He came up with the sleeve for 1967 album Between the Buttons, and helped create the stage sets which became an increasingly important feature of the band's tours.

Watts also came up with the idea of promoting their 1975 tour of the US by having the band play Brown Sugar on the back of a lorry as it drove down the street in Manhattan.

He had remembered New Orleans jazz bands using the same technique and it was later copied by other groups including AC/DC and U2.

His lifestyle while on the road was in direct contrast to that of other band members. He famously rejected the charms of the hordes of groupies that dogged the band on all their tours, remaining faithful to his wife Shirley, who he had married in 1964.

All-time low


However in the mid-1980s, during what he put down to a mid-life crisis, Watts went off the rails with drink and drugs, leading to heroin addiction.

"It got so bad," he later quipped, "that even Keith Richards, bless him, told me to get it together."

At the same time, his wife was battling her own alcoholism. and his daughter Seraphina had became something of a "wild child", being expelled from the prestigious Millfield public school for smoking cannabis.

...(GETTY IMAGES)

Watts' relations with Jagger, too, had reached an all-time low.

On one famous occasion, in an Amsterdam hotel in 1984, a drunken Jagger reportedly woke Watts up by bellowing down the phone "Where's my drummer?"

Watts responded by going round to the singer's room, hitting him with a left hook, and saying: "Don't ever call me 'your drummer' again, you're my f***ing singer."

The crisis lasted two years and it was Shirley, above all, who helped him get through it.

High Flying Bird


Estimated to have been worth £80m as a result of the enduring popularity of the Stones, Charlie Watts lived with his wife on a farm in Devon, where they bred Arabian horses.

He also became something of an expert on antique silver and collected everything from American Civil War memorabilia to old classic cars. The last was curious since he didn't drive.

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Between his regular Stones tours, Watts indulged his love of jazz. Though he always enjoyed drumming with a rock band and loved his work with the Stones, jazz gave him, as he put it, "more freedom to move around".

Back in art college, he'd completed an illustrated biography of jazz saxophonist Charlie Parker, titled Ode To A High Flying Bird.

In 1990, he used the book as the basis for a musical tribute to the man they called the Bird on an album by the Charlie Watts Quintet. It featured several of his jazz musician friends, including saxophonist Pete King.

Watts played and recorded with various incarnations of big bands. At one gig, at Ronnie Scott's, he had a 25-piece on stage including three drummers.

Always well turned out - he had featured in several lists of best dressed men - Watts kept his feet firmly on the ground throughout his career with one of the world's most enduring bands.

"It's supposed to be sex and drugs and rock 'n' roll," he once said. "I'm not really like that. I've never really seen the Rolling Stones as anything."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-22200496

Links to other related articles :

Charlie Watts: The life of a Rolling Stone in pictures
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-58323305

Charlie Watts: The subtle magnificence of the Rolling Stones' drummer
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-58323536

Charlie Watts: The Who and Chili Peppers drummers pay tribute
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/entertainment-arts-58328005

Charlie Watts: Jagger and Richards pay tribute to Rolling Stones bandmate
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-58325271
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Re: RIP Charlie 1941 - 2021
Reply #126 - Aug 25th, 2021 at 5:15pm
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Bruce gives a shoutout to Charlie at the end of his Broadway show last night (link is from facebook)

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Reply #127 - Aug 25th, 2021 at 6:45pm
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It is good to see so many recognizing the sort of musiic genius and integrity of Charlie Watts.

Charlie is ..and always will be 'The guy' -

Especially for The Rolling Stones. There is no replacing him (everyone easily reliazes that).

We live in a world without the total Rolling Stones. The day has come... wow.

Does anyone have any clue as to how he passed? I think Kenny Jones said that Ronnie talked as if he was pretty ill at the end and it was not quite as sudden to them as was originally perceived?
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Re: RIP Charlie 1941 - 2021
Reply #128 - Aug 25th, 2021 at 6:52pm
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Keith and Charlie with Ronnie and Sally's twins Gracie Jane y Alice Rose, at home in 2016

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With thanks to Sally Wood!!
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Reply #129 - Aug 25th, 2021 at 7:10pm
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"Rest in peace friend Charlie Watts!"

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Re: RIP Charlie 1941 - 2021
Reply #130 - Aug 25th, 2021 at 7:29pm
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Thank You Mr. Watts...........RIP
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The Core Of The Rolling Stones is Charlie Watts Hi-Hat/The Sunshine Bores The Daylights Out Of Me/And Then We Became Naked/After the Skeet Shoot & Sweet Dreams Mary & #9 11/22/1968 @#500 2/19/2010 @#800 4/09/2011 @#888 10/28/2011 @#1000 2/2/12
 
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Reply #131 - Aug 25th, 2021 at 7:35pm
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I'm feeling worse. How is everyone else tonight?
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Re: RIP Charlie 1941 - 2021
Reply #132 - Aug 25th, 2021 at 8:24pm
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Charlie Watts was a groove-master. An elegant, beautiful groove-master who was as kind to my drummers as he was to me.  What a gift to have gotten to play with him and the
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Re: RIP Charlie 1941 - 2021
Reply #133 - Aug 25th, 2021 at 8:53pm
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Steel Wheels wrote on Aug 25th, 2021 at 7:35pm:
I'm feeling worse. How is everyone else tonight?


In the morning worse than yesterday, it was the adrenaline yesterday... now I'm fine (I guess so)
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Re: RIP Charlie 1941 - 2021
Reply #134 - Aug 25th, 2021 at 9:00pm
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Ian Billen wrote on Aug 25th, 2021 at 6:45pm:
It is good to see so many recognizing the sort of musiic genius and integrity of Charlie Watts.

Charlie is ..and always will be 'The guy' -

Especially for The Rolling Stones. There is no replacing him (everyone easily reliazes that).

We live in a world without the total Rolling Stones. The day has come... wow.

Does anyone have any clue as to how he passed? I think Kenny Jones said that Ronnie talked as if he was pretty ill at the end and it was not quite as sudden to them as was originally perceived?


No. But that info will probably emerge after a while as death certificates in the UK are easy to access.  In the meantime, his family have understandably chosen to keep things private.
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Re: RIP Charlie 1941 - 2021
Reply #135 - Aug 25th, 2021 at 9:31pm
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Gazza wrote on Aug 24th, 2021 at 7:08pm:
Roostah wrote on Aug 24th, 2021 at 12:26pm:
If they continue and tour Europe next year you know it's a money grab and nothing else. Very sad circumstances ! I love them live as much as anyone but I agree with Voodoo...........an ERA has ended. I'm glad that I was along for the ride. I'm glad that I met him on a flight from Amsterdam to London in 2003, while securing a photo in Heathrow with him! He epitomized High Class. We'll all miss him.


ironic that he left us 18 years to the day after that concert at Twickenham - where my unused ticket was the one you got him to sign at Heathrow!

Forty years to the day since the release of Tattoo You also. we'll never forget this anniversary, thats for sure.


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Reply #136 - Aug 25th, 2021 at 9:52pm
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I miss Charlie as if he is my own family member. So crushed, cant believe he's really gone. 
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Hannah honey was a peachy kinda girl...her eyes were hazel and her nose was slightly curved

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A bit morbid, but during the last few years there were times I'd been trying to prepare myself for a situation like this. But the thing is, no matter how your roll it over in your head and plan out the different scenarios and know that it's only logical that at this age something might happen, you're never prepared for how it'll hit you. I think this applies in every damn situation in life, you can never be prepared for the actual emotion of it.

I haven't even gotten to process what this might mean for the band - to be honest, I don't care to. The loss of Charlie is so immense, I don't understand how e.g. people on IORR or elsewhere are arguing whether the Stones should go on with the tour. It's just not the time. I don't understand how one can have the energy to even think about that. Not to mention with the loss the Stones actually suffered, for what it's worth, they can close the shop, keep going until they all fall down or choose to only perform one song for the rest of their lives, and I'd still think it's ok. I can't even begin to imagine how it feels losing a friend you've known for your entire life, all those years.
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Reply #139 - Aug 26th, 2021 at 4:38am
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Gazza wrote on Aug 25th, 2021 at 9:00pm:
Ian Billen wrote on Aug 25th, 2021 at 6:45pm:
It is good to see so many recognizing the sort of musiic genius and integrity of Charlie Watts.

Charlie is ..and always will be 'The guy' -

Especially for The Rolling Stones. There is no replacing him (everyone easily reliazes that).

We live in a world without the total Rolling Stones. The day has come... wow.

Does anyone have any clue as to how he passed? I think Kenny Jones said that Ronnie talked as if he was pretty ill at the end and it was not quite as sudden to them as was originally perceived?


No. But that info will probably emerge after a while as death certificates in the UK are easy to access.  In the meantime, his family have understandably chosen to keep things private.



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Kenny Jones illuded that in a phone call to Ronnie Wood
Ronnie sort of said they knew it was going to come. Now... not sure if he meant they knew one day one of them was going to pass on somehow some way .. or that he and the rest knew Charlie wasn't doing well and it was inevitable soon. The mini conversation pointed to the latter IMO.

Not saying he was ill for months but saying perhaps the last few weeks or few months Charlie was not doing well (though his statement and the bands statement never reflected that when it was revealed he was not going to tour).

IMO the checkup revealed something serious ..very serious and initially they thought he may have a good prognosis if everything went as planned but then he took a turn for the worse. I cant believe this has happened ... This is hard to type.

Im not in tears .. because I didnt know him personally .. you know but I must say .. I am 'sad' for Charlie Watts sake. Pretty glum.  Not because The Stones will never be the same .. but for the man and those close to him (natrually).
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A bit morbid, but during the last few years there were times I'd been trying to prepare myself for a situation like this. But the thing is, no matter how your roll it over in your head and plan out the different scenarios and know that it's only logical that at this age something might happen, you're never prepared for how it'll hit you. I think this applies in every damn situation in life, you can never be prepared for the actual emotion of it.

I haven't even gotten to process what this might mean for the band - to be honest, I don't care to. The loss of Charlie is so immense, I don't understand how e.g. people on IORR or elsewhere are arguing whether the Stones should go on with the tour. It's just not the time. I don't understand how one can have the energy to even think about that. Not to mention with the loss the Stones actually suffered, for what it's worth, they can close the shop, keep going until they all fall down or choose to only perform one song for the rest of their lives, and I'd still think it's ok. I can't even begin to imagine how it feels losing a friend you've known for your entire life, all those years.


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GnR dedicated their show in San Jose last night to him, specifically doing 'Knockin On Heaven's Door' for Charlie....
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Lovely. All the tributes help me a lot. It's still sinking in slowly.
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