I'm not here to only rip on IORR, but I certainly had an intense run with them, and it ties into the story I'm about to tell if anyone is interested.

So, to make a short story longer than it needs to be let me start by saying this topic is immersed in a crossfire hurricane which was induced because I have this film, the main subject at hand.

There aren't many people (if anyone) to dicuss concert film with, whom seems to be reasonably knowledgeable, or has a single clue about the Stones in general, combining the two and asking around seems to be a lost cause. So I'm really hoping anyone here is interested in helping me investigate what I have, simply out of sheer curiosity or otherwise. I have gotten as far as I can with knowing its back story but not very - you can only go so far with these things.

I started asking around and it looked like the only place I'd come to any conclusion at all is from the members of IORR, I have known about this forum for a long time, not just recently in favor of my film investigation.
First thing I tried was joining, which turned out to be impossible. The admins sent me in circles with their broken sign up form, and did not help me in anyway.

Instead of joining, as many times as I'd attempted I decided it wasn't happening and that I would selectively email members of the forum instead.. Trying to find someone to discuss this with. Well turns out the members didn't treat me any differently, acted like I was crazy.

To surpass all this, it eventually led me into joining the Undercover mailing list. This was the worst mistake of all. I'm not going to quote any of the conversation here, unless we all get discussing this and if anyone is curious. Basically it led into disaster very quickly, I was instantaneously told what I had was of no interest to any stones fan.

Was this out of jealousy or pure piss-takery?

Explaining to these people all of the film I had was complicated because, this email would have been very extensive and sent all around multiple times to everyone, taking up a large amount of space and things would have got confusing. So to make the explanation easier, I'd made them all a YouTube video with text explaining what I have instead of having this large email sent around multiple times.
Understandable right? Not in the least.

It all got pretty hilarious to be honest.

Anyway since I came here for the same reason I came to them and to generally have other stones people to converse with, if anyone is interested in seeing what I've got film wise I see no reason why I should re-type it outside of the video I already made explaining it,
Although if you feel that it would be easier to read I would have no problem discussing it here.

By all means I encourage any and all opinions
I hope one of you may know something about these mysterious films. To add to the mystery of the ladies and gentlemen travelling concert film, I put up another video shortly after where the stones themselves exclaim they'd lost it.

I hope this forum can find a place for me here, best wishes.

- since I'm new I see I can't post a link until I post this so I'll add the video link in the comments.

First of all welcome!

TurnerPurple wrote on Jul 28^th, 2021 at 8:59pm:


Sorry for any inconvenience; but the problem is not us (Gazza and I) the board is giving wrong passwords or something is happening after the password is given. That’s why we have a thread in the section “Important Messages” about how to fix this problem and it is as simple as email me

Yeah again to clarify that quote was about trying to join IORR.org not RocksOff.
Everything else I was saying was about them also, along with the "Undercover Mailing List" which is a complete joke.

No I completely understand that I wasn't talking about you guys I was talking about the trouble with anothger website, I believe you.

IORR??- So, we just do what we want and they just do what they want. And, there’s no point going on comparing yourself. You can prefer us to them or them to us. It’s just diplomatic, you see?

New opening scenes for L & G would be interesting to see.  The monaural theatrical version that I saw a couple of times in the 1970s began with several minutes of "dead air" footage, filmed in the darkened arena before the show.  I suppose the small lights (and lighter flicks?) visible in the dark, and the too-muted audience chatter, were meant to psych up theater audiences, but they didn't come off as anything but boring and meaningless.  Can't remember if this gaffe footage was replaced or shortened for the Eagle Rock release, and I would have to change HDs to find out.  But it sucked.

This is pretty interesting. Thanks for sharing it. I was aware of the 'quad' version of L&G (although I've never seen/heard it) but the rest is new to me.

I'm particularly intrigued by the short 'second concert tour' film. I take it its from the mid 60's?

I know of some super 8 footage from Fresno in May 1965, but from memory its in colour and quite distinctly an outdoor performance.

edit - found it on youtube. The audio is synched from other shows. The original footage is silent:



Saying that, the spring 1965 tour would actually be their third American tour, not the second. The second US tour was October-November 1964. 'Second Concert Tour' seems a bit vague though as they'd obviously done several tours in the UK prior to that.

I take it this was filmed from the audience?

Gazza: Yes you're right that is a bit vague, I thought the same. Yes the performance shown on mine isn't outdoors, although I still haven't got the pleasure of playing the sound track. I think mine they were in the US, I would love to sync them together eventually, finding a projector with the right audio head is complicated especially since this audio isn't magnetic tape. Love the audio on that fresno one you shared though makes me want to do something myself with it. I can tell you it looks most like the NME show, however again it is not Mick isn't wearing a white turtleneck in mine. It must have been somewhere in America in 64. I can't say it's an audience shot, it is clearly a proshot of some sort. It has a documented feel to it, and not all of it is of the performance itself.

Andrews 27: Yeah I get how you mean now. I was under the impression you thought all of it sucked which struck me as odd momentarily haha
Yes Hal is a man that certainly knew what he was doing with his artistic visions. Seeing any concert in that light is preferable to me, and LSTNT is perfect when it comes to 80's stones. Hampton colosseum holds a special place as LSTNT's evil twin, in my eyes. But the energy which was captured just wasn't the same being that it was telivised and all that.
Wembley seems to have been filmed by a hammered gorilla but ya know, it can't always be perfect.

Back to L&G my print doesn't have the blackout screen you're speaking of, I agree that is unnecessary. The Eagle Rock DVD version is the same way and as many 100's of times I've seen it I think I've only sat through the blackout that leads to the silver tongue and wings logo about maybe 10 times.

I always skip it

Here is the beginning frames of my L&G
The beginning text goes on for a while and finally fades, straight into this next scene of Micheal

https://imgur.com/a/fCf4xjd

Agreed accept for when it comes to Warner Brothers with Performance but that's another story. You should know, by the looks of your handle haha

yes please