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Re: Charlie Watts: Rolling Stones drummer at 80
Reply #9 - Sep 9^th, 2021 at 10:29am

Over two weeks since he has passed and we still don't know what the cause was (no real info at all on that). In modern times I've never heard of a rock star passing (especially suddenly) and two weeks pass and there is no information / reason given as to what occurred.

Not saying it's a conspiracy .. but they are hiding the facts, obviously (and the world press is obliging that).

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Re: Charlie Watts: Rolling Stones drummer at 80
Reply #10 - Sep 9^th, 2021 at 11:57am

Ian Billen wrote on Sep 9^th, 2021 at 10:29am:

Over two weeks since he has passed and we still don't know what the cause was (no real info at all on that). In modern times I've never heard of a rock star passing (especially suddenly) and two weeks pass and there is no information / reason given as to what occurred.

Not saying it's a conspiracy .. but they are hiding the facts, obviously (and the world press is obliging that).

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Ian

They are generally very protective of their private lives, no one more so than Charlie. I obviously don't know them, but assuming that the less they say about it, the less his loved ones have to respond to media pestering at a time they just want to grieve.

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Ian Billen Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules Posts: 1,564 USA Gender:	Re: Charlie Watts: Rolling Stones drummer at 80 Reply #12 - Sep 9^th, 2021 at 1:47pm Voodoo Chile in Wonderland wrote on Sep 9^th, 2021 at 1:29pm: Gazza wrote that death certificates in the UK are easy to access, so probably we will soon know the official cause ___________________________________ Yezz quite True Sir. Thanks for the little reminder about that, Voodoo
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Re: Charlie Watts: Rolling Stones drummer at 80
Reply #13 - Sep 9^th, 2021 at 1:55pm

I, like many others, have the same morbid curiosity as to the cause of death...I do think it may be a bit generic if we are looking at the DC for verification...not familiar with the UK documentation at all.

I really want to know why he was in hospital in the first place...likely, that, we may never know the particulars...I am guessing that it was something discovered during the pre-tour physicals...though entirely possible it was not and was discovered outside of those checkups.

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Re: Charlie Watts: Rolling Stones drummer at 80
Reply #14 - Sep 9^th, 2021 at 5:32pm

Ian Billen wrote on Sep 9^th, 2021 at 10:29am:

Over two weeks since he has passed and we still don't know what the cause was (no real info at all on that). In modern times I've never heard of a rock star passing (especially suddenly) and two weeks pass and there is no information / reason given as to what occurred.

Not saying it's a conspiracy .. but they are hiding the facts, obviously (and the world press is obliging that).

Anyone?

Ian

Hiding the facts?

Christ on a bike.

FFS - he was an 80 year old man. This is hardly Kurt Cobain or Princess Diana stuff. Who in their right mind would see a 'conspiracy' ?

Nobody's 'hiding' anything. He was a private individual and his family's reluctance to make a song and dance about it reflects that.

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Re: Charlie Watts: Rolling Stones drummer at 80
Reply #16 - Sep 10^th, 2021 at 8:23am

Gazza wrote on Sep 9^th, 2021 at 5:32pm:

Ian Billen wrote on Sep 9^th, 2021 at 10:29am:

Over two weeks since he has passed and we still don't know what the cause was (no real info at all on that). In modern times I've never heard of a rock star passing (especially suddenly) and two weeks pass and there is no information / reason given as to what occurred.

Not saying it's a conspiracy .. but they are hiding the facts, obviously (and the world press is obliging that).

Anyone?

Ian

Hiding the facts?

Christ on a bike.

FFS - he was an 80 year old man. This is hardly Kurt Cobain or Princess Diana stuff. Who in their right mind would see a 'conspiracy' ?

Nobody's 'hiding' anything. He was a private individual and his family's reluctance to make a song and dance about it reflects that.

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Positively they knew and it was a conspiracy in a sense (the band knew well before the tour was announced he was not going to make the tour and further that he was gravely ill yet they acted as if it was a total suprise (at the time of the tour announcment Charlie Wattsd was already gravely ill in a hospital and had been for weeks. They knew he was not going to make the tour. They knew he was not going to live. Kenny Jones knew as well. He was admitted to the hospital in June Gazza. At the time of the tour announcement he was already in the hospital. By July they knew he was gravely ill.

Charlie made that statment .. for the benefit of Stones fans.

The bands statment said they didnt see this coming.

They did. Kenny Jones knew as well. It <was> a conspiracy as to the why and how and future of Watts health. By the time the Faces reuinited with Watts and the tour announcment was made they all knew Charlie was gravely ill at that point.

Kenny said he expected it the month before when he was working with Ron Wood and Ron Wood was informing him of the situation.

Here it states Kenny Jones knew Charlie was ...'gravely ill'.. and that Charlie was admitted to the hospital just days after Chalies conversation with Jones on the telephone in early June:

By the time Jones and Woody were recording fon The Faces new stuff in July he knew Charlie was gravely ill at that point and it was expected. That was in July .. Charlie passed in late August.

[www.express.co.uk]

Here it states that He and Ronnie Wood both 'KNEW' it was going to happen amd was expected (they easily knew in July he wasn't going to make it):

[www.aceshowbiz.com]

Here in this article he elaborates:

[todayuknews.com]

He said: “I kind of half expected it as a month before he died I had been recording with Ronnie Wood and Rod Stewart to celebrate the 50th anniversary of Faces, which is now two years late. I spent a lot of time with Ronnie so I knew about Charlie and how he was doing. I knew it wasn’t good… so I wasn’t surprised."

In fact my theory and everything points to Charlie had been in the hospital since right around early June (as the article states) and never came home ... and they <all> knew he probably was not going to make it.

Charlie was more than likely hospitalized for over a couple months and never expected to make it (since early June as articles state).

It <was / is> a conmspiracy that this was all unforeseen as the band originally indicated. They knew all summer he was not going to tour .. much lesss live.

How would Kenny Jones know this in early July?

It was a conspracy as to the how and when.

I think Charlie simply made his official statement for the fans and Mick said Charlie was expected to join the band later this year ... they knew it was not to be.

How would Kenny Jones know this and not Mick Jagger or poor Charlie himself?

Doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to put it together.

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Re: Charlie Watts: Rolling Stones drummer at 80
Reply #17 - Sep 10^th, 2021 at 8:37am

Ian Billen wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 8:23am:

[quote author=70564D4D56370 link=1622574284/14#14 date=1631226741][quote author=09212E1F02292C2C252E400 link=1622574284/9#9 date=1631201365]
Over two weeks since he has passed and we still don't know what the cause was (no real info at all on that). In modern times I've never heard of a rock star passing (especially suddenly) and two weeks pass and there is no information / reason given as to what occurred.

Not saying it's a conspiracy .. but they are hiding the facts, obviously (and the world press is obliging that).

Anyone?

Ian

Hiding the facts?

Christ on a bike.

FFS - he was an 80 year old man. This is hardly Kurt Cobain or Princess Diana stuff. Who in their right mind would see a 'conspiracy' ?

Nobody's 'hiding' anything. He was a private individual and his family's reluctance to make a song and dance about it reflects that.

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Positively they knew and it was a conspiracy in a sense (the band knew well before the tour was announced he was not going to make the tour and further that he was gravely ill yet they acted as if it was a total suprise (at the time of the tour announcment Charlie Wattsd was already gravely ill in a hospital and had been for weeks. They knew he was not going to make the tour. They knew he was not going to live. Kenny Jones knew as well. He was admitted to the hospital in June Gazza. At the time of the tour announcement he was already in the hospital. By July they knew he was gravely ill.

Charlie made that statment .. for the benefit of Stones fans.

The bands statment said they didnt see this coming.

They did. Kenny Jones knew as well. It <was> a conspiracy as to the why and how and future of Watts health. By the time the Faces reuinited with Watts and the tour announcment was made they all knew Charlie was gravely ill at that point.

Kenny said he expected it the month before when he was working with Ron Wood and Ron Wood was informing him of the situation.

Here it states Kenny Jones knew Charlie was ...'gravely ill'.. and that Charlie was admitted to the hospital just days after Chalies conversation with Jones on the telephone in early June:

By the time Jones and Woody were recording fon The Faces new stuff in July he knew Charlie was gravely ill at that point and it was expected. That was in July .. Charlie passed in late August.

[www.express.co.uk]

Here it states that He and Ronnie Wood both 'KNEW' it was going to happen amd was expected (they easily knew in July he wasn't going to make it):

[www.aceshowbiz.com]

Here in this article he elaborates:

[todayuknews.com]

Jones said: “I kind of half expected it as a month before he died I had been recording with Ronnie Wood and Rod Stewart to celebrate the 50th anniversary of Faces, which is now two years late. I spent a lot of time with Ronnie so I knew about Charlie and how he was doing. I knew it wasn’t good… so I wasn’t surprised." (mind you during that time The Stones ammounced the tour like nothing was wrong. Then they announced they had to replace Charlie but that he would be back. They knew that was unlikely. It was definately a conspiracy. Not in the JFK Assasination sense .. but yes ... they were hiding it all. Charlie Watts was not expected to live (sadly).

In fact my theory and everything points to Charlie had been in the hospital since right around early June (as the article states) and never came home ... and they <all> knew he probably was not going to make it.

Charlie was more than likely hospitalized for over a couple months and never expected to make it (since early June as articles state).

It <was / is> a conmspiracy that this was all unforeseen as the band originally indicated. They knew all summer he was not going to tour .. much lesss live.

How would Kenny Jones know this in early July?

It was a conspracy as to the how and when.

I think Charlie simply made his official statement for the fans and Mick said Charlie was expected to join the band later this year ... they knew it was not to be.

How would Kenny Jones know this and not Mick Jagger or poor Charlie himself?

Doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to put it together.

Ian

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Reply #18 - Sep 10^th, 2021 at 9:29am

Well, either way, does it really matter in the end, Ian?

It's natural they'd keep this private, what else were they supposed to say or do? And I can understand how they might have known and still hoping against hope. I can understand not wanting to write off the possibility of him getting better, even if it seemed improbable.

You hope and hope until there's no point in hoping any more. It's what you do.

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Re: Charlie Watts: Rolling Stones drummer at 80
Reply #19 - Sep 10^th, 2021 at 10:02am

FotiniD wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 9:29am:

Well, either way, does it really matter in the end, Ian?

It's natural they'd keep this private, what else were they supposed to say or do? And I can understand how they might have known and still hoping against hope. I can understand not wanting to write off the possibility of him getting better, even if it seemed improbable.

You hope and hope until there's no point in hoping any more. It's what you do.

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We can't do anything about it. I am just wondering ... well ... I am just wondering .. like "what happend?!" .. u kno ..

Sort of like I kinda knew him as in

'What happend?!' .. not just ... 'hmmmmm wonder what happend'.

I feel bad for Charlie still ... I cannot help it.

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Re: Charlie Watts: Rolling Stones drummer at 80
Reply #20 - Sep 10^th, 2021 at 1:58pm

FotiniD wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 9:29am:

Well, either way, does it really matter in the end, Ian?

It's natural they'd keep this private, what else were they supposed to say or do? And I can understand how they might have known and still hoping against hope. I can understand not wanting to write off the possibility of him getting better, even if it seemed improbable.

You hope and hope until there's no point in hoping any more. It's what you do.

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Also .. Yes it 'does' matter. I think The Stones were not up front with their fans and sold a tour for millions and millions of dollars under false pretenses. I think they knew long before hand Charlie wasn't going tomake the tour ..

As well I think they knew Charlie may not be around (God Bless Him) .. yet they hid it in order to sell the tour.

In my opinion that just wasn't cool. Im not so sure this thing was totally unexpected and could not be helped as the bands official statement said.

If ... if that is the case I think thats bulls**t. Not sure I would of opted for going if I knew Charlie was not going to be there.

So yes .. it does matter. This time and in this instance it does. Lots of people spent lots of money based on what was presented to them. That was sneaky / shady and I think the Stones should have considered their fans more than that.

This is my perspective .. u kno.

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Re: Charlie Watts: Rolling Stones drummer at 80
Reply #21 - Sep 11^th, 2021 at 4:11am

Ian Billen wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 1:58pm:

FotiniD wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 9:29am:

Well, either way, does it really matter in the end, Ian?

It's natural they'd keep this private, what else were they supposed to say or do? And I can understand how they might have known and still hoping against hope. I can understand not wanting to write off the possibility of him getting better, even if it seemed improbable.

You hope and hope until there's no point in hoping any more. It's what you do.

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Also .. Yes it 'does' matter. I think The Stones were not up front with their fans and sold a tour for millions and millions of dollars under false pretenses. I think they knew long before hand Charlie wasn't going tomake the tour ..

As well I think they knew Charlie may not be around (God Bless Him) .. yet they hid it in order to sell the tour.

In my opinion that just wasn't cool. Im not so sure this thing was totally unexpected and could not be helped as the bands official statement said.

If ... if that is the case I think thats bulls**t. Not sure I would of opted for going if I knew Charlie was not going to be there.

So yes .. it does matter. This time and in this instance it does. Lots of people spent lots of money based on what was presented to them. That was sneaky / shady and I think the Stones should have considered their fans more than that.

This is my perspective .. u kno.

Ian

That's kind of complicated, meaning that on the one hand there's this whole business machine that is the Stones, and I don't think once a tour gets going it's a matter of personal decisions any more on how it's going to work out - can't be sure of course, but I'm thinking with all the logistics and insurance money involved, it has to be complicated and not up to them individually further to a certain point.

On the other hand, I still believe that even when you're being told someone is not going to make it, you still believe that somehow they will. In that sense, I'm sure that they were hoping things would get better. Don't know, this is also coming from personal experience and I may be prejudiced, but I think it applies universally. You don't give up until you're forced to.

I'm also still feeling shattered, but finding out the cause of death is not going to change anything. I think we can all pretty much guess what it might have been, but it doesn't make it any easier or adds any more meaning to it. It sucks. It will continue sucking. The Stones as we knew them have passed. It's a double thing to process, the loss of Charlie and the loss of the band as it was.

But heck, it's been a great ride. A great, great ride.

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Re: Charlie Watts: Rolling Stones drummer at 80
Reply #22 - Sep 11^th, 2021 at 6:42am

FotiniD wrote on Sep 11^th, 2021 at 4:11am:

Ian Billen wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 1:58pm:

FotiniD wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 9:29am:

Well, either way, does it really matter in the end, Ian?

___________________________________________

It's natural they'd keep this private, what else were they supposed to say or do? And I can understand how they might have known and still hoping against hope. I can understand not wanting to write off the possibility of him getting better, even if it seemed improbable.

You hope and hope until there's no point in hoping any more. It's what you do.

________________________________________

Also .. Yes it 'does' matter. I think The Stones were not up front with their fans and sold a tour for millions and millions of dollars under false pretenses. I think they knew long before hand Charlie wasn't going tomake the tour ..

As well I think they knew Charlie may not be around (God Bless Him) .. yet they hid it in order to sell the tour.

In my opinion that just wasn't cool. Im not so sure this thing was totally unexpected and could not be helped as the bands official statement said.

If ... if that is the case I think thats bulls**t. Not sure I would of opted for going if I knew Charlie was not going to be there.

So yes .. it does matter. This time and in this instance it does. Lots of people spent lots of money based on what was presented to them. That was sneaky / shady and I think the Stones should have considered their fans more than that.

This is my perspective .. u kno.

Ian

That's kind of complicated, meaning that on the one hand there's this whole business machine that is the Stones, and I don't think once a tour gets going it's a matter of personal decisions any more on how it's going to work out - can't be sure of course, but I'm thinking with all the logistics and insurance money involved, it has to be complicated and not up to them individually further to a certain point.

On the other hand, I still believe that even when you're being told someone is not going to make it, you still believe that somehow they will. In that sense, I'm sure that they were hoping things would get better. Don't know, this is also coming from personal experience and I may be prejudiced, but I think it applies universally. You don't give up until you're forced to.

I'm also still feeling shattered, but finding out the cause of death is not going to change anything. I think we can all pretty much guess what it might have been, but it doesn't make it any easier or adds any more meaning to it. It sucks. It will continue sucking. The Stones as we knew them have passed. It's a double thing to process, the loss of Charlie and the loss of the band as it was.

But heck, it's been a great ride. A great, great ride.

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I see all your points. The band as we knew them is gone. Anything now moving forward is just sort of a novelty type of thing IMO. The tour may not have been able to be canceled ... due to insurance etc but they knew well before it was announced that he was not going to be able to make it.

I think COVID may have came into play (and it would be very hard to sell a tour with one of the members sitting out due to COVID). There was one report that he had it severly.

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Re: Charlie Watts: Rolling Stones drummer at 80
Reply #23 - Sep 11^th, 2021 at 7:26am

Ian Billen wrote on Sep 11^th, 2021 at 6:42am:

The tour may not have been able to be canceled ... due to insurance etc but they knew well before it was announced that he was not going to be able to make it.

I think COVID may have came into play (and it would be very hard to sell a tour with one of the members sitting out due to COVID). There was one report that he had it severly.

Ian

You simply dont know the timeline between the band/promoters knowing he had an illness that required treatment, announcing the tour and his subsequent absence and realising that he was going to pass away. To assume otherwise is a bit unfair. I'm prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt. Bernard Fowler seemed to be taken by surprise going by the interview I reposted yesterday.

The covid-19 speculation isnt even worth talking about. I havent read that anywhere - and one dickhead speculating it on the internet doesnt make it credible. We were told he had emergency surgery. You dont get emergency surgery for covid. Its irrelevant either way.

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