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Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Reply #25 - Mar 14th, 2021 at 4:55pm
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Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Mar 14th, 2021 at 1:06am:

the japanese seller still has the expensive "made in europe" ones, but now says:
"I can deal with this item till March 15, MONDAY!!" Does this mean that Stones Inc
is about to take some kind of action?


zero copies from anywhere now available on ebay. zero copies now available on "google shopping"

it was selling very well for a bootleg

so why is no one bootlegging it ?

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Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Reply #26 - Mar 19th, 2021 at 7:16am
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So,
Any News about arrival date of Volume 4-5-6???
Hoping and praying for more of these great outtakes.
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Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Reply #27 - Mar 25th, 2021 at 6:11am
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1) The "made in EU"/obi ones from Japan now have new (inferior) cover art (a second printing?)

...

2) Ah, the tongue-patch-on-jeans theme...

A reminder for me to post something...

In 1970, inspired by the back cover of "after the goldrush"

...

3) I began work on my own "super jeans", mostly when stoned listening to
music with my friends...

Jeans 1968. Patches 1970-75. Wore them at MSG 72 and Minnesota 75 shows,
and I still wear them every so often on special occasions

...

4) About 10 years ago, in researching hippie jeans, I put a photo
of them online (as of now, I believe mine are the finest surviving
specimen from that era).

Somebody unknown to me took that photo and made a very cool
animation with it...






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Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Reply #28 - Mar 28th, 2021 at 3:04am
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"they who have ears, let them hear" Matthew 13:43

"there's lots of things in the vault we're working on
that are going to come out"
mick jagger sep 2020

"new music on the horizon" keith richards feb 2021


1) I promise this is the last time I push this passion project
of mine. Sadly, your only compensation for being patient with me
is a couple of download links at the end.

2) At the very least, we can agree that the "finished outtakes"
can be divided into "substantially new" and "not".

3) A further breakdown could be "artifacts" versus "fresh tracks".
Primary amongst the "artifacts" is of course the bowie demo of "iorr".
Nobody can argue against its historical importance. But it is
not "fresh" in the sense i'm using the word. It hasn't been
updated or worked on.

4) Other reasons for non-inclusion of various "outtakes"
include "too mick", "too keith","too been-there-done-that",
or simply because the track does not have enough of the
ragged private-stash vibe that characterizes this collection.

5) Generally speaking, the bonus outtakes on the deluxe albums
have mostly been Mick Jagger products, where he's completed the
lyrics and re-done the vocals in an approximation of his vocal
style at the time of the original session. I appreciate his efforts,
but I don't think the results heretofore have been particularly great.
The deluxe bonus tracks generally sound like what they are. Concoctions.
Imitations.

6) So the first thing i noticed after my first few listens of
"fully finished outtakes" was how many tracks sounded not at all
like concoctions. Mostly because of the very different way Jagger's
vocals and lyrics were handled.

7) But neither did these new tracks sound "raw". Not talking just
about the sound quality. Rather it was clear SOMEBODY had recently
put in a LOT of post-production work on the music.

8) Specifically (in my opinion) four SOMEBODIES, working in two
teams: Keith and Don Was, Mick and Matt Clifford, with Don and
Matt handling the negotiations between the teams. A) Keith got
the time to layer and color with his guitars, to his heart's
content. That's the biggest reason these "Love" tracks have
so much classic-Stones depth. B) Another reason is that Don has
augmented the bass and Matt the keyboards on many of the tracks.
C) And Mick has (happily) agreed that his vocals, whether original
or new, be buried somewhat, that is, be used more as an instrument
than as a hook.

9) Another important division that has persisted throughout the
Stones career is "classic blues rock/big hits/in your face numbers"
versus "groove tracks/mood pieces". The "blues rock" and "big hits"
categories are obvious. But don't forget the "in your face" tracks have
also been key to their huge fame. Stuff like "star fucker",
"doom and gloom", "under my thumb", "sister morphine" etc,
songs where the theme captures a great deal of the attention.

However, for a significant fraction of hardcore fans, including me,
the groove tracks and mood pieces are also very important: lyrics
minimal or buried, choruses and bridges minimal. Stuff like "turd
on the run", "heaven", "pretty beat up", "parachute woman",
"just wanna see his face" etc...

8) So that's my contention basically, that out of the 50 tracks
we were gifted, there are about 28 that more or less meet these
"fresh" criteria, and more or less flow into each other as easily
as, for example, the very dissimilar tracks of "sticky fingers" do.
Or perhaps a better parallel would be "Tattoo you" with its various
recording dates (although the average track on these "Love" albums
is far superior to the average track on "Tattoo"). Also: amazingly
these new tracks flow without me at all changing the playing order.
That's because none of the 28 are "in your face" tracks needing to
be placed and spaced carefully.

9) in summary, these two "Love" compilations are strictly a musical
journey for we, the few, the proud, the Stones cognizati.

I hear these two volumes as a validictory statement by the band,
consisting of what they most like about themselves. Not the fame, not
the money, not the controversy, not even the hit songs. But rather
the MUSIC, both spontaneous and crafted. Commerce for once be damned.

And that's why the Stones needed to make these tracks free. Today's market
just would never fucking understand.


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https://wetransfer.com/downloads/5fa9c5266520e1bd374bcacc449aa76f20210328070837/...


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https://wetransfer.com/downloads/9fed1581e77ea184b3848db21c106fce20210328072154/...


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Reply #29 - Apr 1st, 2021 at 5:31am
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Well done sir, burned 'em and dig 'em...
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Reply #30 - Apr 2nd, 2021 at 10:26pm
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We face the competition with one armed tied behind our backs and we still bat a thousand,
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Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Reply #31 - Apr 6th, 2021 at 8:44am
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CHIEFMOON wrote on Apr 1st, 2021 at 5:31am:
Well done sir, burned 'em and dig 'em...


chiefmoon, glad you're happy with it

ok, back on my soapbox...


Mick Jagger talking about the Bridges to Babylon
recording sessions:
"I mean, in the end, it's not like, you know, Bitches Brew.
We're not going off into the stratosphere. Just a little bit.
The grooves are a little bit different."

Wikipedia on Bitches Brew:
"As usual with Miles Davis's recording sessions, he gave a few
instructions, a tempo count, a few chords or a hint of melody,
and suggestions as to mood or tone. Davis liked to work this way.
He thought it forced musicians to pay close attention to one another.
Bitches Brew also pioneered (for jazz) the application of the studio
as a musical instrument, using editing as a form of composition."

1) Indulge me for a minute. What if we are to take the
title "fully finished outtakes" literally? What if
the 28 tunes i've highlighted have indeed been worked
on substantially and are in their INTENDED final form?
What then?

2) I'll tell you "what then": the Stones would have
invented a new genre of rock music.

3) Like all new music genres, it certainly has antecedents.
Besides the Miles/jazz connection, if we are just referencing
the Stones, the earliest is the final 8 minutes of "goin' home".

4) The radical thing about many of the tracks on
The Love Volumes is they purposely exist in this
unexplored territory between jams and songs. Including
vocalizing emotive semi-words.

5) Obviously this is not far removed from what the Stones
have done in the studio for decades. Start with a riff
and run with it. The problems started when Mick got sick
of being left holding the bag, of having to complete
the lyrics/melodies/song structures in order to get the
material into shape for the market.

6) So up til recently there have been only two choices.
Shape the band's real music into something commercial,
or abandon it. But now we suddenly have this new third
choice. Like Miles Davis, use the studio to perfect the
groove you've already found, not to make it more palatable
to the average consumer (who is no longer interested in
the Stones) 

7) We need a name for this new genre. A name that encompasses
some very different tracks, from "keep it cool" to "covered
with bruises". I've looked through at least a thousand
names of musical forms and styles hoping to find one I
could adapt or steal, but no luck. A not-catchy-enough
name would be "charlie watts rock", because charlie doesn't
like rock, but he does like this kind of playing, because of
its similarities to jazz. (charlie's performances on
"the love volumes" are a particular treat, often so powerful
that he's not just guiding the band, he's leading it)

8) short music lesson: "keep it cool". a lot of people
apparently hear this track as not-much-happening.
I hear it as the band seamlessly moving through
about 10 variations on a theme.

and all these variations are achieved without harmonica,
sax, or background singers. remarkable.

also, its not coincidental that both Outtakes and Bitches contain
a track called "sanctuary"

9) In acting and in jazz, the phrase "polished improvisation"
is sometimes used. Bitches Brew is also often called jazz-rock.
but The Love Volumes are too distinct from Bitches to share a
category. Names like "groove rock","cool rock","babylon rock",
"voodoo rock" are all in use to some extent and not encompassing
enough.

10) So for now, "finished outtakes" is not just the title
of the bootleg, its also the best name we have so far for
this new genre. Doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, but I
can't come up with a better one.

11) Hey. Wait a minute. I said I hated the title "dog shit"
for one of my favorite tracks. But I gotta admit "dog shit rock"
or just plain "dog shit" as the ironic genre name is kinda perfect.

12) "Dog Shit" it is!

"There is nothing I want so much as some more dog shit."

"Next album I hope the Stones don't go back to cleaning
up all the dog shit"

"Oh man, Love volume 3 is just as great. The Stones have
really stepped in it again!"


13) Yeah, "dog shit" works. But I still like "God Shit" better.
I don't know, whichever is less offensive.
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7) We need a name for this new genre. A name that encompasses
some very different tracks, from "keep it cool" to "covered
with bruises".


"Recyclables rock"

8) also, its not coincidental that both Outtakes and Bitches contain a track called "sanctuary"




If you could make an excellent-sounding 10- to 14-track album out of the best, most current-sounding sounding outtakes...then that's the album they should have released in 2019, already.
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Re: "Fully Finished Studio Outtakes" released by the Stones? circumstantial evidence
Reply #33 - Apr 9th, 2021 at 2:30am
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andrews27 wrote on Apr 6th, 2021 at 1:15pm:
7) We need a name for this new genre. A name that encompasses
some very different tracks, from "keep it cool" to "covered
with bruises".

"Recyclables rock"



Jagger/Richards respond:



You berate it?
Hate it?
Decided not to play it?
It don't mean nothing to me

You say you want me, baby?
Prove it. Show me deep love



(this track "deep love" is absolutely God Shit, so fierce its almost scary)

(also, i guess it wasn't clear that i didnt mean just the title "sanctuary",
i meant also that the Stones track is essentially jazz, not pop or rock or blues)

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