ROCKS OFF - The Rolling Stones Message Board

Gazza

Unholy Trinity Admin

Offline

Rat Bastid "We piss
anywhere, man.."

Posts: 13,231
Belfast, UK
Gender: male

Re: Goats Head Soup reissue to be released later this year
Reply #250 - Sep 9^th, 2020 at 12:51pm

I think its simply a case of the two vocals on '100 years ago' being recorded a few months apart (the demo is probably Nov/Dec 72 and the final overdubs were done May-June 1973). Its not uncommon for lyrics to have a few rewrites or tweaks done before they're finished.

Glyn Johns' mixes of 'Silver Train' 'Dancing with Mr D' and 'Heartbreaker' also have a few minor lyric changes, so they appear to be different takes (at least in parts).

I believe this may be the first time in 22 years of this message board that someone has used the expression temps perdu in a post. Well done.

Back to top

« Last Edit: Sep 9^th, 2020 at 12:53pm by Gazza »

IP Logged

andrews27 Rocks Off Regular Offline Wake up Bowie or we all through!! Posts: 1,644 Pittsburgh, PA, USA Gender:	Re: Goats Head Soup reissue to be released later this year Reply #251 - Sep 9^th, 2020 at 3:56pm Quote: I believe this may be the first time in 22 years of this message board that someone has used the expression temps perdu in a post. Well done. Just wait for my Joey posts.
Back to top	That guy that punched Mick at Altamont...and all the Hell's Angels...all that bad acid let them hear A Bigger Bang!! IP Logged

The Wick

Rocks Off Regular

Offline

Posts: 1,066

Re: Goats Head Soup reissue to be released later this year
Reply #252 - Sep 9^th, 2020 at 5:00pm

Gazza wrote on Sep 8^th, 2020 at 12:21pm:

Keith was interviewed on the Zoe Ball Breakfast Show on BBC Radio 2 this morning

You can listen to it from the 2:03:29 mark to 2:23:42

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000mb7q

Shoddy journalism by Zoe Ball. She interviewed Mick and Jimmy Page, and both said Ronnie Wood's basement, yet she says: "your basement" to Keith.

Back to top

IP Logged

mojoman

Rocks Off Regular

Offline

HMERLS

Posts: 6,593
joyzee
Gender: male

Re: Goats Head Soup reissue to be released later this year
Reply #253 - Sep 9^th, 2020 at 11:34pm

The Wick wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 5:00pm:

Gazza wrote on Sep 8^th, 2020 at 12:21pm:

Keith was interviewed on the Zoe Ball Breakfast Show on BBC Radio 2 this morning

You can listen to it from the 2:03:29 mark to 2:23:42

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000mb7q

Shoddy journalism by Zoe Ball. She interviewed Mick and Jimmy Page, and both said Ronnie Wood's basement, yet she says: "your basement" to Keith.

The basement with the needle and spoon

Back to top

IP Logged

Egon

Rocks Off Regular

Offline

LET THE GOOD TIMES ROLLING
STONES

Posts: 1,931
A Dutchy in Marseille, France
Gender: male

Re: Goats Head Soup reissue to be released later this year
Reply #254 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 5:05am

Gazza wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 12:51pm:

I think its simply a case of the two vocals on '100 years ago' being recorded a few months apart (the demo is probably Nov/Dec 72 and the final overdubs were done May-June 1973). Its not uncommon for lyrics to have a few rewrites or tweaks done before they're finished.

Glyn Johns' mixes of 'Silver Train' 'Dancing with Mr D' and 'Heartbreaker' also have a few minor lyric changes, so they appear to be different takes (at least in parts).

I believe this may be the first time in 22 years of this message board that someone has used the expression temps perdu in a post. Well done.

so gazza.. do i buy the limited edition or the 2 discs?
plse advise and i shall act accordingly

Back to top

RIP Gary "Gazza" Galbraith - 30 May 1963 / 07 June 2024 - Forever missed.

Let the Good times Rolling Stones! - Proud member of Rocks off since 2001

IP Logged

Voodoo Chile in Wonderland Unholy Trinity Admin Offline The Stones are back you bastards!!!! Posts: 17,957 Wonderland Gender:	Re: Goats Head Soup reissue to be released later this year Reply #255 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 9:41am Egon wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 5:05am: plse advise and i shall act accordingly Beware buddy, beware
Back to top	I only get my rocks off while I'm sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeping with your girlfriend!! IP Logged

Voodoo Chile in Wonderland

Unholy Trinity Admin

Offline

The Stones are back you
bastards!!!!

Posts: 17,957
Wonderland
Gender: male

Re: Goats Head Soup reissue to be released later this year
Reply #256 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 9:50am

Gazza wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 11:51am:

The two Japanese only bonus tracks mixed by Glyn Johns - 100 Years Ago / Can You Hear The Music - are really nice.

Wouldn't mind hearing more of these.

After listening the whole new stuff, including those remixes, let me tell ya... If I was the one to select GHS in 10 tracks, I would select the 10 of the original version (really) but "Can you hear the music?" would be the one in the Japanese version

The original GHS is perfect

Back to top

I only get my rocks off while I'm sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeping with your girlfriend!!

IP Logged

Voodoo Chile in Wonderland Unholy Trinity Admin Offline The Stones are back you bastards!!!! Posts: 17,957 Wonderland Gender:	Re: Goats Head Soup reissue to be released later this year Reply #257 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 9:55am ...probably just because they are new takes we're excited, but the selected for the original GHS are the right selections
Back to top	I only get my rocks off while I'm sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeping with your girlfriend!! IP Logged

CS Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 443 Hell Gender:	Re: Goats Head Soup reissue to be released later this year Reply #258 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 4:01pm The reason why the BBC banned The Rolling Stones’ ‘Star Star’ https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/the-rolling-stones-star-star-banned-bbc-reason/
Back to top	IP Logged

Gazza

Unholy Trinity Admin

Offline

Rat Bastid "We piss
anywhere, man.."

Posts: 13,231
Belfast, UK
Gender: male

Re: Goats Head Soup reissue to be released later this year
Reply #259 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 4:19pm

Egon wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 5:05am:

Gazza wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 12:51pm:

I think its simply a case of the two vocals on '100 years ago' being recorded a few months apart (the demo is probably Nov/Dec 72 and the final overdubs were done May-June 1973). Its not uncommon for lyrics to have a few rewrites or tweaks done before they're finished.

Glyn Johns' mixes of 'Silver Train' 'Dancing with Mr D' and 'Heartbreaker' also have a few minor lyric changes, so they appear to be different takes (at least in parts).

I believe this may be the first time in 22 years of this message board that someone has used the expression temps perdu in a post. Well done.

so gazza.. do i buy the limited edition or the 2 discs?
plse advise and i shall act accordingly

I bought the two-disc version. Someone sent me the two songs from the Japanese version to download.

Back to top

IP Logged

Gazza

Unholy Trinity Admin

Offline

Rat Bastid "We piss
anywhere, man.."

Posts: 13,231
Belfast, UK
Gender: male

Re: Goats Head Soup reissue to be released later this year
Reply #260 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 4:22pm

CS wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 4:01pm:

The reason why the BBC banned The Rolling Stones’ ‘Star Star’

https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/the-rolling-stones-star-star-banned-bbc-reason/

Let me get this right. Someone actually spent time composing an article explaining why a song that says the world 'fucker' about 50 times in the space of three minutes DIDN'T get radio airplay?

Back to top

IP Logged

Gazza

Unholy Trinity Admin

Offline

Rat Bastid "We piss
anywhere, man.."

Posts: 13,231
Belfast, UK
Gender: male

Re: Goats Head Soup reissue to be released later this year
Reply #261 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 4:25pm

mojoman wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 11:34pm:

The Wick wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 5:00pm:

Gazza wrote on Sep 8^th, 2020 at 12:21pm:

Keith was interviewed on the Zoe Ball Breakfast Show on BBC Radio 2 this morning

You can listen to it from the 2:03:29 mark to 2:23:42

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000mb7q

Shoddy journalism by Zoe Ball. She interviewed Mick and Jimmy Page, and both said Ronnie Wood's basement, yet she says: "your basement" to Keith.

The basement with the needle and spoon

Keith is also claiming now that he wrote the riff of 'Satisfaction' in London, after spending 55 years telling every interviewer that it happened in a hotel in Florida.

Back to top

IP Logged

Gazza Unholy Trinity Admin Offline Rat Bastid "We piss anywhere, man.." Posts: 13,231 Belfast, UK Gender:	Re: Goats Head Soup reissue to be released later this year Reply #262 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 6:35pm Voodoo Chile in Wonderland wrote on Sep 10^th, 2020 at 9:55am: ...probably just because they are new takes we're excited, but the selected for the original GHS are the right selections I for one am not happy that the new version of GHS has the scream removed from 'Dancin with Mr D'.
Back to top	IP Logged

andrews27 Rocks Off Regular Offline Wake up Bowie or we all through!! Posts: 1,644 Pittsburgh, PA, USA Gender:	Re: Goats Head Soup reissue to be released later this year Reply #263 - Sep 10^th, 2020 at 11:10pm The EU edition apparently doesn't have the two Scarlet remixes, or the extra Glyn Johns tracks, on CD 2.
Back to top	« Last Edit: Sep 10^th, 2020 at 11:22pm by andrews27 » That guy that punched Mick at Altamont...and all the Hell's Angels...all that bad acid let them hear A Bigger Bang!! IP Logged

Egon

Rocks Off Regular

Offline

LET THE GOOD TIMES ROLLING
STONES

Posts: 1,931
A Dutchy in Marseille, France
Gender: male

Re: Goats Head Soup reissue to be released later this year
Reply #264 - Sep 11^th, 2020 at 3:50am

Gazza wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 11:51am:

The two Japanese only bonus tracks mixed by Glyn Johns - 100 Years Ago / Can You Hear The Music - are really nice.

Wouldn't mind hearing more of these.

are these again different then the ones already on the regular deluxe (which also state "gleyn johns remix") ? - im confused

Back to top

« Last Edit: Sep 11^th, 2020 at 3:53am by Egon »

RIP Gary "Gazza" Galbraith - 30 May 1963 / 07 June 2024 - Forever missed.

Let the Good times Rolling Stones! - Proud member of Rocks off since 2001

IP Logged

andrews27

Rocks Off Regular

Offline

Wake up Bowie or we all
through!!

Posts: 1,644
Pittsburgh, PA, USA
Gender: male

Re: Goats Head Soup reissue to be released later this year
Reply #265 - Sep 11^th, 2020 at 12:19pm

Egon wrote on Sep 11^th, 2020 at 3:50am:

Gazza wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 11:51am:

The two Japanese only bonus tracks mixed by Glyn Johns - 100 Years Ago / Can You Hear The Music - are really nice.

Wouldn't mind hearing more of these.

are these again different then the ones already on the regular deluxe (which also state "gleyn johns remix") ? - im confused

These are two extra Glyn mixes, replacing the pointless remixes of Scarlet taking up space on the US release. (Actually, one of the Scarlet remixes is worth hearing but not essential.) So the Japan release has four Glyn mixes.

Again, when Glyn did these mixes is a mystery, as they're not noted in his autobiography among the other scattered Stones track work post-Sticky Fingers that he mentions.

Back to top

« Last Edit: Sep 11^th, 2020 at 12:22pm by andrews27 »

That guy that punched Mick at Altamont...and all the Hell's Angels...all that bad acid let them hear A Bigger Bang!!

IP Logged

Egon Rocks Off Regular Offline LET THE GOOD TIMES ROLLING STONES Posts: 1,931 A Dutchy in Marseille, France Gender:	Re: Goats Head Soup reissue to be released later this year Reply #266 - Sep 11^th, 2020 at 3:40pm cheers
Back to top	RIP Gary "Gazza" Galbraith - 30 May 1963 / 07 June 2024 - Forever missed. Let the Good times Rolling Stones! - Proud member of Rocks off since 2001 IP Logged

Voodoo Chile in Wonderland

Unholy Trinity Admin

Offline

The Stones are back you
bastards!!!!

Posts: 17,957
Wonderland
Gender: male

Re: Goats Head Soup reissue to be released later this year
Reply #267 - Sep 11^th, 2020 at 8:32pm

From Gazza:

"Today the Rolling Stones hit No1 on the UK album chart with Goats Head Soup 2020, making it their 13th Number One album and setting a new record as the first band in UK chart history to hit the top of the charts with an album across six different decades! It’s only rock’n’roll but I like it

Number one album in six different decades (had ‘Forty Licks’ sold about 12 more copies of in it’s first week, it would have been seven !)"

Back to top

« Last Edit: Sep 13^th, 2020 at 4:32pm by Gazza »

I only get my rocks off while I'm sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeping with your girlfriend!!

IP Logged

Steel Wheels Rocks Off Regular Offline Much love and support to my dear friend Mary! Posts: 2,686 2,000 Light Years From Home Gender:	Re: Goats Head Soup reissue to be released later this year Reply #268 - Sep 11^th, 2020 at 8:50pm Scarlet finally connects to me after hearing it on my stereo. The instrumental Dancing With Mr. D gives me a raging erection.
Back to top	I LIVE FOR THE ROLLING STONES! Registered: Aug 2003, Posts on the old board: 1120 Devoted Stones fan since time began. SMILE. THE ROLLING STONES ARE HERE. IP Logged

Gazza

Unholy Trinity Admin

Offline

Rat Bastid "We piss
anywhere, man.."

Posts: 13,231
Belfast, UK
Gender: male

Re: Goats Head Soup reissue to be released later this year
Reply #269 - Sep 12^th, 2020 at 10:36am

Gazza wrote on Feb 6^th, 2020 at 1:39pm:

Known or unverified outtakes from this era include :

After Muddy & Charlie
Brown Leaves
Criss Cross

English Rose
Fast Talking, Slow Walking

First Thing
Four and In
Give Us A Break
Jamaica
Man-Eating Woman
Miami
Separately

Short & Curlies *
Through The Lonely Nights **
Tops ***

Waiting On A Friend ***

Windmill

You Should Have Seen Her Ass

Zabadoo

* later re-recorded for 'IORR'
** released as b-side of 'IORR' single in 1974
*** reworked/overdubbed and released on 'Tattoo You'

Source for sessionography : http://www.nzentgraf.de/books/tcw/works1.htm

Of the clips above, only 'Criss Cross' sounds like a finished take. There may of course be uncirculating finished versions of some of the others although no doubt the album that gets released will feature a bit of historical revisionism as well as a few overdubs.

Some updates on those outtake song titles

"Four And In" later became 'Dancing with Mr D' (maybe its the instrumental thats on the new release?). Its actually re-titled 'Dancing with Mr Dee' on the master reel tape boxes.

The working title for 'Winter' seems to be 'First Thing Sans Keith' (he doesn't play on this track, after all)

'Through the lonely nights' was originally called 'Through the Lonely Hours' and '100 Years' was the first title for '100 Years Ago'

Sources :
https://experience.rollingstones.com/album/goats-head-soup/the-story-of-the-albu
m

The Rolling Stones Complete Works Database facebook page :
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1017382281643830/

Back to top

IP Logged

Gazza

Unholy Trinity Admin

Offline

Rat Bastid "We piss
anywhere, man.."

Posts: 13,231
Belfast, UK
Gender: male

Re: Goats Head Soup reissue to be released later this year
Reply #270 - Sep 12^th, 2020 at 10:50am

Egon wrote on Sep 11^th, 2020 at 3:50am:

Gazza wrote on Sep 9^th, 2020 at 11:51am:

The two Japanese only bonus tracks mixed by Glyn Johns - 100 Years Ago / Can You Hear The Music - are really nice.

Wouldn't mind hearing more of these.

are these again different then the ones already on the regular deluxe (which also state "gleyn johns remix") ? - im confused

Yes, what I meant was I wouldnt mind hearing the full album remixed by Glyn, as opposed by a few songs

Most of these remixes appear to also have minor vocal or lyrical changes from the original releases, so they appear to be (at least partially) different takes.

Gripes about the overpricing of the super deluxe packaging aside (which is standard practice now I guess), I think based purely on musical content, this is the best of the four re-issues they've put out so far. The first three albums they reissued were my favourite three Stones albums anyway and were hard to improve on, but this one elevates GHS up another notch.

Back to top

IP Logged

Some Guy Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 16,085 Atlanta Gender:	Re: Goats Head Soup reissue to be released later this year Reply #271 - Sep 12^th, 2020 at 3:35pm Great music! It's all really good. The redo's, the updates, the new stuff just fabulous. I think I hear some 2020 Keith backing vocals in there. Crushing it at the pool!
Back to top	IP Logged

mojoman Rocks Off Regular Offline HMERLS Posts: 6,593 joyzee Gender:	Re: Goats Head Soup reissue to be released later this year Reply #272 - Sep 13^th, 2020 at 1:25pm I bought the Brussels set that was packaged with the marquee show from japan a few years back that was two Discs is this an upgrade?
Back to top	IP Logged

Voodoo Chile in Wonderland Unholy Trinity Admin Offline The Stones are back you bastards!!!! Posts: 17,957 Wonderland Gender:	Re: Goats Head Soup reissue to be released later this year Reply #273 - Sep 13^th, 2020 at 2:14pm Thanks Soldatti, posted on our message board in Spanish 9/1973 9/2020
Back to top	I only get my rocks off while I'm sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeping with your girlfriend!! IP Logged

Gazza

Unholy Trinity Admin

Offline

Rat Bastid "We piss
anywhere, man.."

Posts: 13,231
Belfast, UK
Gender: male

Re: Goats Head Soup reissue to be released later this year
Reply #274 - Sep 13^th, 2020 at 4:33pm

Voodoo Chile in Wonderland wrote on Sep 11^th, 2020 at 8:32pm:

From Gazza:

"Today the Rolling Stones hit No1 on the UK album chart with Goats Head Soup 2020, making it their 13th Number One album and setting a new record as the first band in UK chart history to hit the top of the charts with an album across six different decades! It’s only rock’n’roll but I like it

Number one album in six different decades (had ‘Forty Licks’ sold about 12 more copies of in it’s first week, it would have been seven !)"

My memory was a bit off. Its hard to keep track as the Stones released so many albums that decade. Grin

It was actually 'A Bigger Bang' that was outsold by about 11 copies by James Blunt's 'Back to Bedlam' - an album which had been already out for about a year and which went back to the top spot.

EMI made the stupid mistake of releasing 'Forty Licks' the same week as the 'ELV1S: 30 No. 1 Hits' - a record which subsequently went five times platinum in the UK. Had they put it out a week earlier, it would have probably pipped Paul Weller's newly issued 'Illumination' (a Gold album) to the top spot.

Back to top

IP Logged