Ian Billen wrote on Dec 28
th, 2017 at 9:55am:
Ian Billen wrote on Dec 28
th, 2017 at 9:53am:
Ian Billen wrote on Dec 28
th, 2017 at 9:50am:
Ian Billen wrote on Dec 28
th, 2017 at 9:49am:
Ian Billen wrote on Dec 28
th, 2017 at 9:45am:
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Sure you get there .. I was talking about the 'event horizon'
Anyway .. Mick Jagger has always been the leader of The Band .. technically and at other times realistically. At times... both.
Everyone talks about how Mick is so studio oriented.. why does Keith always the one who has to push or wait for the 'ok' from Mick? Keith has not been prolific in the last 20 years.. we know that..
BUT he is always the guy pushing for The Stones to get back into the studio .. Even More so than Mick. Keith knows how to play Mick's cards and how to get him to do things nobody else can .. (always has). I'm not saying Keith is the ruler of the band anymore.. but to say he just sits around lazy and not wanting to do anything .. while Mick does all the leading and has to round up everyone to get them into the studio or to tour is nonsense ( unfounded..).
Easy to do when its Mick who's writing almost all of the songs, in fairness.
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Well ... according to Keith that isn't the situation he wants. If you remember he mentioned he isn't so interested in Micks songs.. and that he is interested in Mick sitting down and writing 'together'.
He claimes Micks being prolific 'don't mean shit' and that he isn't interested in playing whatever to a bunch of Micks demos. He even rejected Get a Grip & England Lost. If you reads between the lines.. Keith is basically saying those demos were not that strong... He wasn't impressed (***>> 'being prolific don't mean shit / I got only three and they are dynamite' ... He is essentially saying the songs Mick wrote were not that great and the three he wrote were much better .. '. He was not impressed with Micks material .... It is is easy to make that out.)
So according to you there are all or most going to be Mick songs.. but just as well .. in fairness.. we don't know that and Keith said he isn't interested in that as a 'whole'?
All we know is Mick had a major slew of demos he wanted / wants to work on with The Stones. Keith said he isn't so interested in those ...and that 'if Mick wants to sit down and write together' versus the demos .. is what he is interested in on this project (he stated that very clearly). Keith claimed to only have three songs going in but claimed they were dynamite...
Keith stated very very clearly he isn't interested in doing those Mick Jagger demos 'solely' on this record (I'm sure there will be some of those whole songs or partial songs on the record though).
You are saying Mick is writing most of the songs ...Well tbh .. thats not fair.. because that is 'assuming' based only on Micks side of the fence and simply because Mick has a major load of songs he has written (However Keith may only want to keep or work on a hand full of em is my assumption. Remember .. in so many words Keith noted that while Mick wrote a bunch of demos... none were that impressive to him .. He even went on to say his mere three songs were much stronger, basically ... From those remarks and by Keith rejecting songs in which Mick had to put out himself leads me to believe that while Mick has / had a bunch of songs he wanted to work on with the Stones... Keith wasn't so impressed and wasn't interested in them). Still I am sure some of those will make it to the album (just being real).
In actuality we have no idea what songs are there for keeps and who wrote what that is to make the album thus far Lol. We don't even know anything about the material that is being kept or worked on ... Remember Keith said he isn't interested in playing along to a bunch of Micks demos.. I am sure he is writing stuff too.
Here is the chain of events thus far.
>>Mick has a load of songs (prolly at least 40) and he wants to use / work on em for the Stones. Don Was says there are a major slew of em and the run the gambit.
>>Keith basically says that while there are a ton Micks been writing that he isn't impressed and states hes specifically interested in 'sitting down writing together'.
>>Keith rejects two of the songs and Mick puts them out on his own (as well to test the market... they both fail for the most part).
>>Mick claims hes still writing and wants Keith to hear em to get his opinion (gotta admit.. he keeps writing.. Not sure how strong the stuff is .. but he is / has definitely been-a-writing ... ).
>>Keith says the continuing interest with him to to slowly make it work together.
That is where we are at and that is what we know for sure.