http://www.pollstar.com/news_article.aspx?ID=814831

"Jagger was “diagnosed as suffering from acute traumatic stress disorder” after Scott’s death and was advised by doctors not to perform for at least 30 days, according to documents filed in the court case in Utah."

"Do you mean perform sexually? Philosphically? Financially?".

I'm rolling my eyes over this one.

This could get really ugly.  You got Mormons involved, insurance companies, the Rolling Stones.  Even us lowly fans have some skin in the game.

sirmoonie wrote on Nov 10^th, 2014 at 12:54pm:



the mitts gonna get involved

No, but one was sudden and unexpected whereas the other one was a man in his 90's who he'd flown home to say goodbye to, before flying back to Las Vegas (where he was told the news of his dad's death on arrival).

Certainly more 'trauma' involved in suicide.

Going ahead with that show in Las Vegas (eight years ago today, coincidentally) in those circumstances after just stepping off a 12 hour flight (or whatever it is) really was one of his most incredible achievements.  No one really could have blamed him had he pulled out, but maybe after so many postponements and cancellations in recent weeks around that time, he felt duty bound to go through with it

I dont think we were disagreeing about the insurance aspect of it, just the emotional trauma part!

Steel Wheels wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 2:09pm:



I find this fascinating...not sure why...:

EXCLUSION ZONES FOR THE ROLLING STONES' INSURANCE POLICY

Ronnie Wood

Not covered for anything relating to “alcohol abuse”

Lists 17 people for cover, including his wife, Sally, and ex‑wife, Josephine Wood

Mick Jagger

Under “previous losses”, 17 shows rescheduled or cancelled due to infections or inflammations affecting his voice

Lists 18 people for cover, including ex-partners Jerry Hall and Bianca Jagger, as well as L’Wren Scott (listed as his girlfriend)

Keith Richards

Not covered for anything resulting from a head injury he suffered in 2006, when he fell out of a coconut tree while on holiday in Fiji with Ronnie Wood. He needed surgery to relieve bleeding around his brain, cancelling 13 shows and postponing another five

Not covered for anything relating to osteoarthritis, “alcohol abuse” or “liver failure and/or disease”

Under “previous losses”, references a concert at Wembley Stadium in 1990 when he suffered an infected finger after it was pierced by a guitar string. Five shows were rescheduled and two were cancelled. Also listed are the seven shows rescheduled and two cancelled after he damaged his ribs falling from a ladder in his library in 1998

Lists 12 people for cover, including his wife Patti

Charlie Watts

Not covered for throat cancer, following his 2004 diagnosis. A six-week course of radiotherapy was thought to be successful

Not covered for sciatica

Insurers would not have to pay up if he had to be replaced as drummer

Lists four people for cover, including his wife Shirley

Taken from the insurance policy for their Asia and Australasia tour, filed at a district court in Salt Lake City, Utah. All are covered for: death, an accident or illness preventing them from appearing, unavoidable travel delays, damage to the venue, adverse weather and even national mourning forcing concerts to be cancelled. They are not covered for: the illegal possession of drugs, radioactive contamination or “actual or threatened war, invasion, civil war, rebellion, revolution, insurrection, military or usurped power”.

gorda wrote on Nov 12^th, 2014 at 9:19pm:

Gazza wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 6:24am:

Keith is uninsurable. Yet once a tour starts. Who misses more shows, him or Mick.

Radioactive contamination??????  Seriously?  That's an interesting thing to include.

Gazza wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 6:24am:

Paranoid Android wrote on Nov 13^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:


It dawned on me why that's in there...Fukushima.

The Rolling Stones performed in Sydney earlier this week

Mick Jagger says he is "deeply upset" that confidential medical information was revealed during a court battle over a contested insurance claim.

On Friday, the Rolling Stones settled a dispute with insurers over a $12.7m (£7.9m) claim for concerts postponed when Jagger's girlfriend died.

But the band expressed concern about private information being made public.

Documents revealed Jagger was suffering from "acute traumatic stress disorder" following L'Wren Scott's death.

The fashion designer took her own life in March, prompting the Stones to postpone a tour of Australia and New Zealand.

Court documents suggested frontman Jagger was advised by doctors not to perform for at least 30 days.

"We are deeply upset that confidential medical and other private information about members of the band and their immediate family and loved ones has entered the public domain as a result of a US court filing initiated by insurers four weeks ago," said a spokesman for Jagger.


L'Wren Scott's designs were worn by celebrities including Madonna, Nicole Kidman and Penelope Cruz

"This was done without the knowledge of the band or reference to their legal representatives.

"This has only been discovered and reported in the press in the last week, by which time we are pleased to say the insurers and the Rolling Stones had, in fact, settled the insurance claim."

"No further comment will be made about this matter," the statement concluded.

The group had taken out a policy to be paid in the event shows were cancelled due to the death of family members or others, including Scott.

Underwriters had contested the claim saying Scott's death may not be covered by the policy, arguing that she may have been suffering from a pre-existing mental illness which could invalidate the policy.

The Rolling Stones began a new tour of Australia and New Zealand at the end of last month, but were forced to cancel their Melbourne concert last weekend after Jagger, 71, developed a throat infection.

The group performed at the Allphones Arena in Sydney on Wednesday. They will continue their tour with a concert in Hunter Valley over the weekend.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-30053461

I have a copy of the Motion by the insurers, which attaches the Stones' Policy, the subpoena on Scott's brother (they wanted all her Facebook emails to her brother from a certain time period), and the initial pleadings in the case (filed in London).  It's pretty interesting and has a lot more detail than that which was reported.

It's look pretty clear to me that Richards has been diagnosed with liver disease.......

Anyway, if you want a copy, PM with with an email address where to send it (its a 99 page PDF - 3.45 MB).  It's public information (although very difficult to get unless you know how), so no laws were broken in obtaining it.  If I were the Stones, I'd be pissed as piss that the scumbaggitical insurance companies did not file it all under seal in Utah - then again, I don't see anything on the Policy that says its Confidential, which is odd.

sirmoonie wrote on Nov 14^th, 2014 at 6:59pm:


Dude, have you been jammin to the Hampton 81 dvd? Do you even like The Stones?

" I find the term "alcohol abuse" to be vague and ambiguous.  This contract is unconscionable and entirely fucking unenforceable by this scumbag insurance company.   "

" I find it fucking insulting. I've never abused alcohol. I've always rather enjoyed it's company immensely. "


Gazza   ........ you make Joey smile

For those of you interested in the legalese...here is the link with the  motion:

http://www.utd.uscourts.gov/


page 52...this is amazing:


The
gross
guarantees
for
these
shows
is
USD
52,000,000.
As
per
Additional
Condition
19
of
the
Schedule,
this
policy
is
amended
to
become
a
Primary
Layer.
Excess
layer
to
be
placed.
The
overall
gross
Is
amended
to
USD
99,800,000.

Paranoid Android wrote on Nov 16^th, 2014 at 12:27pm:

So they get 2 mill a show. Not bad for government work.

Regarding Keith have some form of liver disease: I've suspected this for at least ten years now, but never wanted to mention it on this board as the mere mention could make certain people here angry. Look at the man's belly - he's a generally lean dude, probably always been fairly fit. Lou Reed had the same thing going on with his belly, and he'd been clean and sober since roughly '81, and quite fit (tai chi and kung fu devotee as well). The distended belly in otherwise slim people  (who drank a shitload of alcohol)is often a sign of impending liver disease.

Too bad some of our greatest musical artists had very bad habits; they will die like the rest of us. But the world will always have their Art.

I don't accept this.

Youse don't accept what? Death?

Steel Wheels wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 12:01pm:



Yep.

I'm not acceptive of the bummer that this thread is trying to lay.

Some Guy wrote on Nov 17^th, 2014 at 5:11pm:

Point taken, man. Sorry for my role in it.
And on the bright side - maybe (probably) Keith is just a dude who likes shepherd pies more than he likes annoying abdominal exercises.
He sure seems happy and healthy and is playing great these days.(btw - I'm listening to Hampton '81 as I type - such an incredible show. What were they thinking with 'Still Life'?).