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steel driving hammer Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 471 Champaign, IL. Gender:	Re: Howe cum Chuck Berry has never been invited to a Rolling Stones show as a special guest? Reply #1 - Nov 8^th, 2014 at 6:54pm I forgot about Muddy Waters in 81 too.
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Reply #3 - Nov 8^th, 2014 at 10:03pm

steel driving hammer wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 6:42pm:

Bo Diddley has, Robert Cray and my favorite John Lee Hooker among other black men too like Buddy Guy but never Chuck Berry who would fit perfect like Corona and a lime.

Besides Hail Hail.

Is it all ego?

'Hail Hail Rock n' Roll' was a film about Chuck Berry, not about the Stones. Chuck wasn't a guest. He was the main attraction.

What's this bit about "other black men"? That's some peculiar wording there. And maybe some peculiar thinking on your part.

You needs to check ya head before posting, boyo.

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steel driving hammer Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 471 Champaign, IL. Gender:	Re: Howe cum Chuck Berry has never been invited to a Rolling Stones show as a special guest? Reply #4 - Nov 9^th, 2014 at 7:50am Gazza wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 8:24pm: How do you know he's never been invited? Muddy Waters was invited to a Stones gig in 1981? What one was that? That bar gig.
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Bitch Rocks Off Regular Offline I always get my Rocks Off! Posts: 4,904 FL - USA Gender:	Re: Howe cum Chuck Berry has never been invited to a Rolling Stones show as a special guest? Reply #5 - Nov 9^th, 2014 at 7:52am I think its because of a KEEF-Chuck rivalry that has been going on for many years now. Chuck did or said something KEEF didnt like and even though KEEF admires him, its a personality clash.
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Reply #6 - Nov 9^th, 2014 at 7:55am

steel driving hammer wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 7:50am:

Gazza wrote on Nov 8^th, 2014 at 8:24pm:

How do you know he's never been invited?

Muddy Waters was invited to a Stones gig in 1981? What one was that?

That bar gig.

That was a Stones gig? First I've heard of it.

Odd that their entire rhythm section was missing.

As were Mick, Keith and Ronnie for the first few songs.

It was nice of the Stones to 'invite' Chuck to the taping of 'Hail Hail', though - especially as it was his own gig.
Pity four out of the five of them forgot to turn up, though.

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Reply #7 - Nov 9^th, 2014 at 8:03am

Bitch wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 7:52am:

I think its because of a KEEF-Chuck rivalry that has been going on for many years now. Chuck did or said something KEEF didnt like and even though KEEF admires him, its a personality clash.

During the 1997-98 tour, the Stones did several live telecasts in various countries.

For much of the tour, they opened the b-stage part of the show with Chuck's "Little Queenie".

Yet for most of the televised shows, this song was dropped (usually replaced by something like 'IORR')

The story that went around at the time was that Chuck wanted a lot of money in performing rights for his songs being broadcast.

Since 1998, I think the only time they've performed a Chuck Berry song in concert was when they did 'Little Queenie' at the Echoplex warm up gig in LA in April last year.

Speaks volumes.

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72Tele Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 91 Western NY State Gender:	Re: Howe cum Chuck Berry has never been invited to a Rolling Stones show as a special guest? Reply #8 - Nov 9^th, 2014 at 8:08am Interesting way to spell "come" , "cum" is usually reserved for more pornish speak. On to the topic at hand. I would love to see Chuck guest also Jerry Lee, Willie Nelson.
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Re: Howe cum Chuck Berry has never been invited to a Rolling Stones show as a special guest?
Reply #9 - Nov 9^th, 2014 at 8:21am

Gazza wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 8:03am:

Bitch wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 7:52am:

I think its because of a KEEF-Chuck rivalry that has been going on for many years now. Chuck did or said something KEEF didnt like and even though KEEF admires him, its a personality clash.

During the 1997-98 tour, the Stones did several live telecasts in various countries.

For much of the tour, they opened the b-stage part of the show with Chuck's "Little Queenie".

Yet for most of the televised shows, this song was dropped (usually replaced by something like 'IORR')

The story that went around at the time was that Chuck wanted a lot of money in performing rights for his songs being broadcast.

Since 1998, I think the only time they've performed a Chuck Berry song in concert was when they did 'Little Queenie' at the Echoplex warm up gig in LA in April last year.

Speaks volumes.

So its all about the money? I cant say Im surprised but if Chuck had legal rights to some money, he should of been paid. But the Stones have covered lots of songs thru the years, and has every or any other artist been compensated? Just wondering if it is only Chuck making an issue or if he has a valid point.

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Reply #10 - Nov 9^th, 2014 at 8:30am

I think it was more a question of HOW much he wanted paid. Whoever's songs they were covering (and Chuck wasnt the only one as they were covering 'Like A Rolling Stone' and 'Little Red Rooster' etc around that time) would have meant royalties being paid, but as I understand it Chuck's demands for his songs being aired were deemed excessive.

So in most cases, they just didnt play them.

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Reply #13 - Nov 9^th, 2014 at 11:06am

Another factor - directly related to money - was likely the royalty suit filed by Johnnie Johnson years ago to claim songwriting credits from Chuck. I recall this started following Keith's analysis of Johniie's contributions to Chuck's early work in Hail Hail. Keith may have even been deposed (or testified) on Johnnie's behalf. Settled out of court? No idea - somebody on this board I'm sure knows.

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Re: Howe cum Chuck Berry has never been invited to a Rolling Stones show as a special guest?
Reply #14 - Nov 9^th, 2014 at 11:15am

Bitch wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 8:42am:

So Chuck was being greedy and nobody else cared? This may explain why the Stones aren't doing many cover songs lately. The Stones have so many of their own great songs they don't need to "cover" anyone else's songs anyway.

never been a fan of the tributes and/or covers the band does...few exceptions...but only a couple and they have all been recorded/released on LPs...ex/ the Temptation songs......Around & Around

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steel driving hammer Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 471 Champaign, IL. Gender:	Re: Howe cum Chuck Berry has never been invited to a Rolling Stones show as a special guest? Reply #15 - Nov 9^th, 2014 at 3:53pm Forgot about Stevie Wonder, but never Chuck Berry.
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Reply #17 - Nov 10^th, 2014 at 7:10am

patioaintdry wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 11:06am:

Another factor - directly related to money - was likely the royalty suit filed by Johnnie Johnson years ago to claim songwriting credits from Chuck. I recall this started following Keith's analysis of Johniie's contributions to Chuck's early work in Hail Hail. Keith may have even been deposed (or testified) on Johnnie's behalf. Settled out of court? No idea - somebody on this board I'm sure knows.

I'm pretty sure Keith has alluded to that being an issue between them in recent years.

Chuck has never guested with the Stones...

but Johnnie Johnson has.....

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Reply #18 - Nov 10^th, 2014 at 7:13am

steel driving hammer wrote on Nov 9^th, 2014 at 3:53pm:

Forgot about Stevie Wonder, but never Chuck Berry.

well, Stevie was the opening act throughout the entire '72 tour.

Towards the end of the tour, as you know, the two bands - the Stones and Wonderlove - worked up a medley of Uptight and Satisfaction which they played together as an encore on some shows.

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Reply #19 - Nov 10^th, 2014 at 7:41am

there's a difference between playing a song live and broadcasting it live… if it's not under your own publishing and it's broadcast or sold in any way, you pay royalties to the publisher, if you just play it, no one need worry, since there's no publishing in just playing live… i'm just clarifying what Gazza said, seems people get this confused.
Many, many artists early on in rock and roll and country got tricked into signing away publishing rights.
It's a big deal, for those who hold onto them. But in this case, Chuck Berry has been known to want too much.
There's really no regulation as far as I know when it comes to publishing. I always wondered why there wasn't an industry standard, but then again it's a bunch of lawyers and suits and then whacked out artists, no one can expect any sanity or sense.

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Reply #22 - Nov 10^th, 2014 at 9:16am

" Bo Diddley has, Robert Cray and my favorite John Lee Hooker among other black men too like Buddy Guy but never Chuck Berry who would fit perfect like Corona and a lime. "

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Reply #24 - Nov 10^th, 2014 at 10:31am

Edith Grove wrote on Nov 10^th, 2014 at 8:14am:

Gazza wrote on Nov 10^th, 2014 at 7:10am:

[quote author=3524312C2A242C2B3121373C450 link=1415493753/13#13 date=1415552768]Chuck has never guested with the Stones...

but Johnnie Johnson has.....

HTW, Houston, Jan. 2003

Me was there !

I was thinking St Louis, September 1989 - but you're right. I'd forgotten about Houston 2003.

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