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Xmas wish come true? Sources say they're all in London. Recording?
Dec 10^th, 2013 at 1:58pm

Here's the source on Keith, the others are easy to place
in England at the moment...

http://rzepela.com/undercover/current/msg20166.html

Combined with Mick's off-hand comment in one of the
recent interviews, that he was just finishing off
writing some songs at the moment, its a pretty
obvious wish that a quick recording session is
happening, with hopefully a new single or EP for 14.

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Re: Xmas wish come true? Sources say they're all in London. Recording?
Reply #10 - Dec 13^th, 2013 at 6:50am

Gazza wrote on Dec 12^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

Havent heard anything to suggest they're working.

There's a person named "aruru" who posts on Shidoobee
who I think still has a bit of a personal relationship
with Keith. Here's how she responded on a similar
thread, and my follow-up comment...

aruru: Keith said that recently Mick called him
and said they'd better get in the studio very soon,
I took it to mean sometime in December.

revvy: Hmm. Interesting way to put it, as if there was
a deadline... Wonder if this has anything to do with the
new copyright law in Europe that says a track loses
copyright protection if it reaches 50 years old and hasn't
been released. So far, both Dylan and the Beatles have
been forced to release tracks because of this law, so it
seems likely the Stones will be next...

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/dec/12/beatles-copyright-apple-release-tra...

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Reply #11 - Dec 13^th, 2013 at 7:06am

I doubt any copyright laws will effect any releases they have planned… The really old BBC stuff they released was almost 50, but stuff that will get deluxe treatments would most likely be big four and beyond… the unreleased stuff from Aftermath, Majesties ect.. is pretty much a small amount and heavily bootlegged. While we know they recorded tons of stuff in the seventies that got stashed away.

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Reply #12 - Dec 13^th, 2013 at 7:17am

Yeah, Dylan has released limited edition boxed sets of 1962 and 1963 material (much of it already available songs, it should be said) and his debut album has already been reissued in multiple formats as the copyright had expired.

Its not something that'll affect the Stones TOO much though as they didnt release anything they'd written until 1964 and they were still for the most part a covers act until 1965.

Not sure why that would make them go into a studio though. There's a lot of very vague interpretation in that comment above, both in terms of dates and the meaning of 'better get into a studio'. its as likely to mean 'I/we want to' as 'we must'.

As far as I'm aware that 50-year copyright law is going to change in the next year or two to 70 years.

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Reply #14 - Dec 13^th, 2013 at 4:19pm

I think its worth mentioning that surprise albums seem
to be something of a current trend. First there was
Bowie, then just the other day Beyonce without
any warning dropped an entirely new 17-track album,
complete with 17 videos! And now you have this
sudden Beatles obscurities release...

This is one time I think we can all agree that we hope
the Stones jump on a trend.

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Reply #16 - Dec 13^th, 2013 at 4:44pm

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 7:31am:

So then, G, is this just an issue of author copyright,
and not performance copyright as well?

And I think the "studio" possibility is relevant because
you might go into a studio to tart up tracks a bit before
their release

I dont know, but I'd imagine publishing royalties are more a factor.

Re: the second bit. There's an expanded Sticky Fingers release on the cards for 2014 - it was already delayed due to the Hyde Park releases - so I'm sure, like Some Girls/Exile, there'll be some studio tidying up to do. Of course, they dont even need to be together to take care of that anyway, and if the last two are any yardstick, most of it will probably be done by Mick. (They may have even done this already as it's original release date was meant to be Nov/Dec 2013)

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Reply #17 - Dec 13^th, 2013 at 5:12pm

Gazza wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 4:44pm:

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 7:31am:

So then, G, is this just an issue of author copyright,
and not performance copyright as well?

And I think the "studio" possibility is relevant because
you might go into a studio to tart up tracks a bit before
their release

I dont know, but I'd imagine publishing royalties are more a factor.

Re: the second bit. There's an expanded Sticky Fingers release on the cards for 2014 - it was already delayed due to the Hyde Park releases - so I'm sure, like Some Girls/Exile, there'll be some studio tidying up to do. Of course, they dont even need to be together to take care of that anyway, and if the last two are any yardstick, most of it will probably be done by Mick. (They may have even done this already as it's original release date was meant to be Nov/Dec 2013)

when do you think the SF dlx is going to drop?
would they release that, possible new songs or album and tour?

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Reply #19 - Dec 13^th, 2013 at 10:14pm

Gazza wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 4:44pm:

Rev 20 Redlights wrote on Dec 13^th, 2013 at 7:31am:

So then, G, is this just an issue of author copyright,
and not performance copyright as well?

I dont know, but I'd imagine publishing royalties are more a factor.

Actually it seems this change only applies to
performance rights. Publishing seems to have
gone to 70 years whether or not any performance
was ever issued.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_European_Union

So if this interpretation is correct, this moment
represents a unique opportunity for somebody like
the Stones to make some money off of things that are
perhaps sub-standard and not-commercial-enough
without them getting any kind of negative publicity.
The government made them do it!

How could Jagger let such a moment pass by?

No physical album of course is possible by the end of
the year, but now I think an Itunes release before
New Year's is a better than even shot. And probably,
like with the Beatles, the tracks would only be available
for purchase track by track. It would not be an "album".

But, even though its not probable, why not hold out hope
that it is issued as an Itunes album, with one or two new
retro-sounding tracks for the new mini tour?

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Reply #20 - Dec 14^th, 2013 at 1:47am

Hey, this is a fun game! Maybe one of the tracks
they're gonna release is a cover of this one, by one of
their heros. Hence the otherwise unacceptable tour
name...

Perfect Stones lyrics, you have to admit...

Correction, a song by TWO of their heros! Here's
Little Richard's cover...

http://www.allmusic.com/song/settin-the-woods-on-fire-mt0028484723

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Reply #21 - Dec 14^th, 2013 at 6:55am

1) "Settin the woods on fire" has also been covered by
Keith buddy George Jones, rockabilly pioneer Johnny
Burnette, and very relevantly in 1960 by AUSTRALIAN
rock pioneers Johnny Rebb and the Rebels. If Australia
is plagued by bushfires over the next few months, the
Stones will be able to say, "Hey don't blame us, blame
your own Johnny Rebb."

Merle Haggard tells this funny story:
"Hank was on the road, and they stopped at this Mexican
joint. There wasn't a rest stop for miles so Hank went
in the woods and took a shit. He said, 'I'm setting the
fucking woods on fire!' That was the hottest godamn chili
I've ever seen!' Before they'd driven another few miles,
Hank had a song."

2) Very importantly, remember this part of the tour
press release: "The setlist will feature classic hits
including “Gimme Shelter,” “Paint It Black” and “Jumping
Jack Flash,” along with a couple of unexpected covers.

Jackpot!

So, based on the evidence presented, I think we can all
agree that this is what is about to happen, if you're
very good boys and girls. Before the end of the year,
there will be an Itunes release of a new album entitled
"Settin the woods on fire" which will mostly consist
of early 1960s tracks under loss-of-copyright threat
but will also feature a new cover of the title track
based on Little Richard's 1971 version (which was itself
Stones-influenced, LR also covering Brown Sugar on the
same album). Then sometime in the new year you'll be
able to buy a physical super deluxe version...

Now, c'mon, really, do i really think this is what is
just about to happen?

Does Hank Williams shit in the woods?

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Reply #23 - Dec 14^th, 2013 at 3:02pm

The Beatles 'bootleg' recordings from 1963 gets an official release next week, exclusive to i-tunes.

http://www.nme.com/news/the-beatles/74378
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/beatles-bootleg-recordings/

Much more accessible then than the two Dylan releases. The 1962 Copyright Extension Collection had a limited edition release of about 500 I think, and the 1963 one that came out last month is, I think, vinyl only and in a similarly small quantity.

The copyright expiry applies to previously unreleased takes from the sessions as well.

So, considering the Stones did some studio recording in 1963, the copyright on this material would surely expire on 1st January 2014. Likewise with the BBC radio sessions they did that year. Their October 1962 demos would already have expired.

This is what a Stones' 'Copyright Extension' album could potentially consist of :

(session details from www.nzentgraf.de )

1962 :

27th October: London, Curly Clayton Sound Studio. Producer & sound engineer:
               Curly Clayton.
               - Soon Forgotten (James Oden) -unverified
               - Close Together (Jimmy Reed) -unverified
               - You Can't Judge A Book By The Cover (Willie Dixon)
               Line-up: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr)/BJ (gtr)/STU (p)/Tony Chapman (dr)

1963 :

11th March: London, IBC Studios, Portland Place. Producer and sound
                  engineer: Glyn Johns.
                  - Baby What's Wrong (Jimmy Reed/Mary Lee Reed)
                  - Bright Lights, Big City (Jimmy Reed/Mary Lee Reed)
                  - Diddley Daddy (Ellas McDaniel/Harvey Fuqua)
                  - I Want To Be Loved I (Willie Dixon) -early take with "you kiss me honey"-line
                  - Road Runner (Ellas McDaniel)
                  Note: STU plays piano on all tracks.
                           Officially released in November 2012

6th and/or 20th or 24th April (date unsure): Morden, R.G. Jones Studios.
               Producer: Giorgio Gomelsky. Sound engineer: Ronald Godfrey Jones Jr..
               - I'm Allright (Ellas McDaniel) -unconfirmed
               - Pretty Thing I (Willie Dixon) -unverified
               Note: Recording of a soundtrack for the unreleased Giorgio Gomelsky-
                        film about the London Rhythm & Blues-scene.

23rd April: London, BBC Studios, Maida Vale, audition for BBC radio.
                  - I’m A Hog For You Baby (Jerry Leiber/Mike Stoller) -unverified
                  - I’m Moving On (Hank Snow) -unverified
                  + maybe more
                  Note: With Ricky Fenson (bass) and Carlo Little (dr) substituting for BW &
                           CW. By the way, the Stones did not pass the audition!

10th May: London, Olympic Sound Studios. Producers: Andrew Oldham
               and (sound engineer) Roger Savage.
               - Come On I (Chuck Berry) -7“-version
               - I Want To Be Loved II (Willie Dixon) -7“-version
               - Love Potion #9 (Jerry Leiber/Mike Stoller) -unverified
               - Pretty Thing II (Willie Dixon) -unconfirmed

16th May: London, Decca Studios, West Hampstead. Producer:
               Michael Barclay. Sound engineer: Gus Dudgeon.
               - Come On II (Chuck Berry) -unverified

9th July: London, West Hamstead, Decca Studios. Producer: Michael
               Barclay. Sound engineer: Gus Dudgeon.
               - Fortune Teller I (Allen Toussaint) -cancelled 7“ version, released on
                     Saturday Club-compilation (see 640125B)
                  - Fortune Teller II (Allen Toussaint) -More Hot Rocks-CD-version; with
                     repeat of last verse and without harmonica
               - Fortune Teller III (Allen Toussaint) -unverified Got Live If You Want It-CD-basic
                     version; without harmonica and with additional percussion overdub

ca. 16th July: London, West Hamstead, Decca Studios. Producer: Michael
               Barclay. Sound engineer: Gus Dudgeon.
               - Poison Ivy I (Jerry Leiber/Mike Stoller) -without percussion during chorus;
                     released on (digitally remastered) More Hot Rocks-version
               - Poison Ivy II (Jerry Leiber/Mike Stoller) -cancelled 7“-version, released
                     on Saturday Club-compilation (see 640125B)
               - What Kind Of Girl (MJ/KR) -unverified

8th August: London, West Hamstead, Decca Studios. Producer:
               Andrew Oldham.
               - Bye Bye Johnny (Chuck Berry) -EP-version
               - Money I (Berry Gordy Jr./Janie Bradford) -unverified
               - You Better Move On (Arthur Alexander) -EP-version

22nd September: Richmond, Crawdaddy Club, Athletic Ground
               Unverified set:
               (Route 66/Come On/Talkin' 'Bout You/Love Potion No. 9/Roll Over Beethoven/
                  Money/Pretty Thing/Jaguar And The Thunderbird/Don't Lie To Me/Our Little
                  Rendezvous/Baby What You Want Me To Do/Brown-Eyed Handsome Man/
                  Diddley Daddy/Money)
                  Note: Last gig at the Crawdaddy. The setlist above comes from one of their gigs
                           at the Richmond Athlethic Ground between June 30 and September 22.
                           A reel-to-reel recording of these songs was sold at an auction in May 2004.
23rd September: UK radio (BBC) 'Saturday Club', London, Maida Vale.
               Host: Brian Matthew.
                  - Talkin' Bout You (Chuck Berry)
                  - Money (Berry Gordy Jr./Janie Bradford)
                  - Come On (Chuck Berry)
                  - Memphis, Tennessee (Chuck Berry)
                  - Roll Over Beethoven (Chuck Berry)
                  - interview with Brian Matthew
               Note: Broadcast on the 26th October.

4th November: London, De Lane Lea Studios, Holborn. Producer:
                  Andrew Oldham.
                  - Go Home Girl (Arthur Alexander)
                  - Money II (Berry Gordy Jr./Janie Bradford) -EP-version
                  - Poison Ivy III (Jerry Leiber/Mike Stoller) -EP-version
                  - Talkin’ ‘Bout You I (Chuck Berry) -unverified

20th November: London, Regent Sound Studios. Producer Andrew Oldham.
               Sound engineer: Bill Farley.
               - My Only Girl (MJ/KR) - STU on piano; early version of 'That Girl Belongs
                     To Yesterday'; demo for George Bean, later given to Gene Pitney

20th - 21st November: London, Regent Sound Studios. Producer: Andrew
                  Oldham. Sound engineer: Bill Farley.
                  - It Should Be You (MJ/KR) -demo for George Bean
                  - Leave Me Alone (MJ/KR) -STU on piano; demo for Doug Gibbons
                  - Shang A Doo Lang (MJ/KR) -demo for Adrienne Poster
                  - So Much In Love (MJ/KR) -demo for The Mighty Avengers (21.11.)
                  - Sure I Do (BJ) -unverified
                  - Will You By My Lover Tonight (MJ/KR) -demo for George Bean; unverified
                  - With A Song In My Heart ( ) -unconfirmed

7th or 9th December: London, Regent Sound Studios. Producer: Andrew
                  Oldham. Sound engineer: Bill Farley. Demo-session.
                  - Give Me Your Hand (MJ/KR) -demo for Teddy Green
                  - I Want You To Know I (MJ/KR and/or BJ) -BJ on lead vocals (and harmonica);
                     unverified
                  - I Want You To Know II (MJ/KR and/or BJ) -BJ on lead vocals (and harmonica);
                     faster than version I; unverified
                  - When A Girl Loves A Boy I (MJ/KR)
                  - When A Girl Loves A Boy II (MJ/KR) -longer version with chorus intro; unverified
                  - You Must Be The One (MJ/KR) -demo for The Greenbeats
                  Line-up: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr)/BJ (gtr)/Reg Guest (p)/Erik Ford (bass)/Andy
                                 White (dr)
               Note: Give Me Your Hand is also known as I’ll Hold Your Hand and was at
                           first intended for The Beatles (!).

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