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Mick Jagger Praised for Secretly Helping Punk Rock Legend
Nov 9^th, 2013 at 2:47pm

Mick Jagger Praised for Secretly Helping Punk Rock Legend

by Dave Swanson November 8, 2013 5:22 PM

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In a recent interview, the legend that is John Lydon revealed an interesting tidbit concerning Sir Mick Jagger. It turns out that while Sex Pistol Sid Vicious was awaiting trial for the murder of his girlfriend, Nancy Spungen, Jagger stepped in the pay the legal fees.

In the fall of 1978, Vicious was charged with the murder of Spungen, who was found dead in the room she and Vicious shared at the Chelsea Hotel in New York City. According to an interview with Lydon in the Daily Mail, “Mick Jagger got in there and brought lawyers into it on Sid’s behalf,” he said, “I don’t think Malcolm (McLaren,Sex Pistols manager) lifted a finger. He just didn’t know what to do.” Lydon then adds, “For that, I have a good liking of Mick Jagger.”

Vicious himself would die four short months later of a heroin overdose. “Nancy Spungen was a hideous, awful person,” Lydon continues, “Her death is all entangled in mystery. It’s no real mystery, though. If you are going to get yourself involved in drugs and narcotics in that way accidents are going to happen.”

While the punk movement in general, and the Pistols in particular, had a subtext agenda of dismissing all that came before them, Lydon admits he has nothing but great respect for Jagger. “There was activity behind the scenes from Mick Jagger, so I applaud him. He never used it to advance himself publicity-wise.”

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sirmoonie Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 3,479 Gender:	Re: Mick Jagger Praised for Secretly Helping Punk Rock Legend Reply #1 - Nov 9^th, 2013 at 3:33pm Thanks Vood. Voogie Boogie. This certainly puts a different shades on things. A lot of new perspectiveness. I'm not saying it's a sea change in how we perceive the Stones and our environment, but it will give pause and new understanding. That's all I'm saying.
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LadyJane Rocks Off Regular Offline Stones Purist Posts: 4,929 Gender:	Re: Mick Jagger Praised for Secretly Helping Punk Rock Legend Reply #2 - Nov 9^th, 2013 at 4:25pm If true, very cool; but I remain skeptical.
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sirmoonie Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 3,479 Gender:	Re: Mick Jagger Praised for Secretly Helping Punk Rock Legend Reply #3 - Nov 9^th, 2013 at 4:29pm Well, someone paid the goddam bills. Do you have any evidence it wasn't Jagger?
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AngieBlue Rocks Off Regular Offline Rocks Off Rules You Bastards Posts: 792 Gender:	Re: Mick Jagger Praised for Secretly Helping Punk Rock Legend Reply #4 - Nov 9^th, 2013 at 5:38pm That's cool. Lydon doesn't have any reason to lie about it all at this stage. Good on Mick.
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Pdog Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 6,130 aTx Gender:	Re: Mick Jagger Praised for Secretly Helping Punk Rock Legend Reply #5 - Nov 9^th, 2013 at 7:29pm LadyJane wrote on Nov 9^th, 2013 at 4:25pm: If true, very cool; but I remain skeptical. I have heard this from other sources… Jagger has been rumored to be selfless and altruistic before...
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Kilroy Rocks Off Regular Offline I love this place! Posts: 2,863 Mickville Virginny USA Gender:	Re: Mick Jagger Praised for Secretly Helping Punk Rock Legend Reply #8 - Nov 9^th, 2013 at 10:04pm SIR Mick Jagger! Class act! In all meanings of the words! Class and Act IMO Respectable!
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sirmoonie Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 3,479 Gender:	Re: Mick Jagger Praised for Secretly Helping Punk Rock Legend Reply #9 - Nov 10^th, 2013 at 9:13am Doesn't this make Jagger a liberal, though?
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Kilroy Rocks Off Regular Offline I love this place! Posts: 2,863 Mickville Virginny USA Gender:	Re: Mick Jagger Praised for Secretly Helping Punk Rock Legend Reply #10 - Nov 10^th, 2013 at 9:32am sirmoonie wrote on Nov 10^th, 2013 at 9:13am: Doesn't this make Jagger a liberal, though? Conservatives can be Good Guys!
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Kilroy Rocks Off Regular Offline I love this place! Posts: 2,863 Mickville Virginny USA Gender:	Re: Mick Jagger Praised for Secretly Helping Punk Rock Legend Reply #11 - Nov 10^th, 2013 at 9:36am IMO
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sirmoonie Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 3,479 Gender:	Re: Mick Jagger Praised for Secretly Helping Punk Rock Legend Reply #12 - Nov 10^th, 2013 at 10:35am If anyone kills the Eagles, I'll pick up the legal tab. Get you Flea Bailey type.
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sirmoonie Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 3,479 Gender:	Re: Mick Jagger Praised for Secretly Helping Punk Rock Legend Reply #13 - Nov 10^th, 2013 at 12:01pm Why is it considered a good deed to pay the way for a guy accused of stabbing a woman to death? If I send OJ ten large, do I get a bunch of attaboys?
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Kilroy Rocks Off Regular Offline I love this place! Posts: 2,863 Mickville Virginny USA Gender:	Re: Mick Jagger Praised for Secretly Helping Punk Rock Legend Reply #14 - Nov 10^th, 2013 at 1:10pm Good Point, I was thinking Innocent until proven Guilty I'll guess the same response is still valid in the OJ response. I'm out of the discussion not knowing the details of the legend. Still think Jagger is a class act.
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sirmoonie Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 3,479 Gender:	Re: Mick Jagger Praised for Secretly Helping Punk Rock Legend Reply #15 - Nov 10^th, 2013 at 1:25pm Jagger is a class act. I wasn't referring to you, Roy. More the sentiment in the article. And yes, I strongly believe in right to a defense and the presumption, when the government accuses.
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sirmoonie Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 3,479 Gender:	Re: Mick Jagger Praised for Secretly Helping Punk Rock Legend Reply #16 - Nov 10^th, 2013 at 1:35pm It's only through the tireless work of half a dozen public defenders that I've been able to get away with all the stuff the goddami liberal government has tried to pin on me.
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Reply #17 - Nov 10^th, 2013 at 1:38pm

Yes I am in Total Agreement with
questions about "the sentiment in the article'
But I still feel i need to take myself out of the discussion, not knowing the first think about the murder, other than it happened, he said he did than he said he can't remember.
Or even if there is validity to the "help"

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sirmoonie Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 3,479 Gender:	Re: Mick Jagger Praised for Secretly Helping Punk Rock Legend Reply #18 - Nov 10^th, 2013 at 2:32pm Did Spungeon rebuff Jagger's amorous advances? I mean, this is exactly the kind of sordid fucking stuff we don't need at this juncture. I'm fucking goddam tired of it.
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Reply #19 - Nov 14^th, 2013 at 5:52am

Lydon said this around the time of the Glastonbury show. Got a weird feeling about it though. Misogyny and all that. But you never know. Jagger knew McLaren, knew he was a shonky bloke, and I bet he took an interest in the band that were the new "bad boys". Saw how hyped they were and maybe a bad feeling it was all falling apart (which it was). And I assume he was living in NYC at the time too. Publicly Lydon & co hated everyone, but Jones & Cook were huge WHO fans, Jones in particular. I believe they were the inspiration for "Who are you".

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gimmekeef Rocks Off Regular Offline Posts: 5,759 Ontario Canada Gender:	Re: Mick Jagger Praised for Secretly Helping Punk Rock Legend Reply #21 - Nov 14^th, 2013 at 8:13am If only he had been as kind to us....by not recording Goddess in the Doorway,
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Re: Mick Jagger Praised for Secretly Helping Punk Rock Legend
Reply #22 - Nov 14^th, 2013 at 9:19am

Steel Wheels wrote on Nov 14^th, 2013 at 6:24am:

What was the story with the case? Is there doubt about him killing her? I've seen a few documentaries on tv about it and it did seem like he killed her.

So in my mind, Jagger helping him isn't too cool at all.

Well he was never convicted, so naturally there's doubt.

There was talk of a suicide pact that went wrong, Sid stabbing her accidentally while stoned out of his brain (he remembered nothing afterwards) and that she was murdered in a robbery by drug dealers whilst Sid was unconscious (there was a considerable amount of money missing from the hotel room afterwards)

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