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Reply #50 - May 17th, 2013 at 8:12am Alert Board Moderator about this Post! 
Never a fan of get off my cloud, especially live. Certainly would like to see another opener. 19th would be awesome. Some zooming bass! 100% agree that Taylor's main spot should vary. If not MR, then he could guest on 2 shorter songs. Sway & Love in vain for instance. One more shot gone, street fighting man in. I mean, its the same bloody song anyway! ANd for something really different, rock and a hard place would slot in nicely somewhere. Shouldnt complain though. This IS the last time.
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Anaheim definitely has some of Mick's best vocals of this tour. Really dig this version of Doom And Gloom.
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Mel Belli wrote on May 16th, 2013 at 8:14pm:
Justin wrote on May 16th, 2013 at 6:38pm:
Mel Belli wrote on May 16th, 2013 at 6:17pm:
I think Keith's reliance on Blondie was always overstated. I never saw it. More precisely, I never *heard* it. But it makes perfect sense that Mick would demand a general housecleaning, if you will. As hard as we are on Jagger, we should concede it's at least possible that he doesn't attempt more songs because he honestly thinks they would suck.



Well, I didn't mean it literally: never did Blondie overpower Keith or did the two had to fight for the sound space but the effect of Blondie on stage with an electric guitar had a very clear effect on Keith.  With Keith up there, he knew that he had two guitars underneath him covering his ass: Ronnie and Blondie.  There was a lot of opportunity to sit back and go about things very half assed.  And man did he take that opportunity. I think his "performance" of Little T&A from Shine A Light displays this shit storm perfectly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTddCYXkka4

In typical Keith fashion of the time, here he is completely under-rehearsed and totally banking on the other guitar players to cover him.  The only thing he seems to know for sure is the key the song is in just so he could whip out a solo to make up for his lack of playing.  That year was particularly difficult to watch mainly because Keith sunk into a very laid back role among the team of guitar players on stage.  Blondie was never mixed as loud as Keith, but in my interpretation of the recordings is that Keith thought Blondie would be there to cover for him in the sound which is why Keith apparently felt the need to noodle as much as he did.  But as we can hear...Blondie was apparently only really audible to those on stage but not really to us, the audience.  

Today, with Blondie gone, Keith has said so himself that it forces he and Ronnie to really buckle down to business in the guitar department. As a guitar player myself, I would think Keith is aware that he wouldn't be able to get by just by noodling around the tunes...he'd actually have to work it.  I haven't seen him do as much responsible lead work (besides the obvious warhorses) on these rare tunes like "The Last Time" "It's All Over Now" and "Dead Flowers" in a great long while.  I'd say as far as back as the B2B tour--back when Blondie only had a tambourine in his hand.


I don't think I ever truly appreciated how terrible that rendition of T&A was. In addition to not playing the guitar—or playing it like crap—he clings to the TelePrompter like a woobie and *still* can't phrase the words right! The most telling moment might be when he a smile appears on his face during the solo: He thinks it's good!

[update: No! My favorite moment is at 2:43 and Keith's piss-drunk appreciation for Darryl's bass solo.]



Haha yeah I honestly can't believe they would allow that performance to be on any official release.  I can barely even watch the concert film because all I see is a very tentative and unsure band trying to get through this performance in one piece. It's a frightful snapshot of how bad things had gotten on that tour.  I mean we've seen Keith not play guitar on songs like "Slipping Away" as early as the Licks tour....he would actually remove the guitar as he sang...but this was very different.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1JwpgaoTyo

I think at the time we all were like WTF?  But then we let it slide because it was a slower song and we all thought "oh, well he's just trying to focus on the singing."  So he got a pass.  But really, this was a huge turning point.  This was the beginning of Keith getting lazy.  I mean, "All About You" was an even slower/gentle song yet he kept his guitar on and played throughout that song.  

And so here we have "Little T&A" a fast rocker, one of his signature tunes and he he barely plays any guitar at all?  And him not even having a guitar on at all for "You Got The Silver" also in the film?   He couldn't be bothered.  And why should he when he has two of his mates taking care of it for him?  Sad.
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corgi37 wrote on May 17th, 2013 at 8:12am:
Never a fan of get off my cloud, especially live. Certainly would like to see another opener. 19th would be awesome. Some zooming bass! 100% agree that Taylor's main spot should vary. If not MR, then he could guest on 2 shorter songs. Sway & Love in vain for instance. One more shot gone, street fighting man in. I mean, its the same bloody song anyway! ANd for something really different, rock and a hard place would slot in nicely somewhere. Shouldnt complain though. This IS the last time.


LOL about SFM and OMS comparison...I agree...but all I hear is a slightly slower version of Mixed Emotion with some slight variants of T&A...

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Justin wrote on May 17th, 2013 at 12:09pm:
Mel Belli wrote on May 16th, 2013 at 8:14pm:
Justin wrote on May 16th, 2013 at 6:38pm:
Mel Belli wrote on May 16th, 2013 at 6:17pm:
I think Keith's reliance on Blondie was always overstated. I never saw it. More precisely, I never *heard* it. But it makes perfect sense that Mick would demand a general housecleaning, if you will. As hard as we are on Jagger, we should concede it's at least possible that he doesn't attempt more songs because he honestly thinks they would suck.



Well, I didn't mean it literally: never did Blondie overpower Keith or did the two had to fight for the sound space but the effect of Blondie on stage with an electric guitar had a very clear effect on Keith.  With Keith up there, he knew that he had two guitars underneath him covering his ass: Ronnie and Blondie.  There was a lot of opportunity to sit back and go about things very half assed.  And man did he take that opportunity. I think his "performance" of Little T&A from Shine A Light displays this shit storm perfectly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTddCYXkka4

In typical Keith fashion of the time, here he is completely under-rehearsed and totally banking on the other guitar players to cover him.  The only thing he seems to know for sure is the key the song is in just so he could whip out a solo to make up for his lack of playing.  That year was particularly difficult to watch mainly because Keith sunk into a very laid back role among the team of guitar players on stage.  Blondie was never mixed as loud as Keith, but in my interpretation of the recordings is that Keith thought Blondie would be there to cover for him in the sound which is why Keith apparently felt the need to noodle as much as he did.  But as we can hear...Blondie was apparently only really audible to those on stage but not really to us, the audience.  

Today, with Blondie gone, Keith has said so himself that it forces he and Ronnie to really buckle down to business in the guitar department. As a guitar player myself, I would think Keith is aware that he wouldn't be able to get by just by noodling around the tunes...he'd actually have to work it.  I haven't seen him do as much responsible lead work (besides the obvious warhorses) on these rare tunes like "The Last Time" "It's All Over Now" and "Dead Flowers" in a great long while.  I'd say as far as back as the B2B tour--back when Blondie only had a tambourine in his hand.


I don't think I ever truly appreciated how terrible that rendition of T&A was. In addition to not playing the guitar—or playing it like crap—he clings to the TelePrompter like a woobie and *still* can't phrase the words right! The most telling moment might be when he a smile appears on his face during the solo: He thinks it's good!

[update: No! My favorite moment is at 2:43 and Keith's piss-drunk appreciation for Darryl's bass solo.]



Haha yeah I honestly can't believe they would allow that performance to be on any official release.  I can barely even watch the concert film because all I see is a very tentative and unsure band trying to get through this performance in one piece. It's a frightful snapshot of how bad things had gotten on that tour.  I mean we've seen Keith not play guitar on songs like "Slipping Away" as early as the Licks tour....he would actually remove the guitar as he sang...but this was very different.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1JwpgaoTyo

I think at the time we all were like WTF?  But then we let it slide because it was a slower song and we all thought "oh, well he's just trying to focus on the singing."  So he got a pass.  But really, this was a huge turning point.  This was the beginning of Keith getting lazy.  I mean, "All About You" was an even slower/gentle song yet he kept his guitar on and played throughout that song.  

And so here we have "Little T&A" a fast rocker, one of his signature tunes and he he barely plays any guitar at all?  And him not even having a guitar on at all for "You Got The Silver" also in the film?   He couldn't be bothered.  And why should he when he has two of his mates taking care of it for him?  Sad.


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corgi37 wrote on May 17th, 2013 at 8:12am:
Never a fan of get off my cloud, especially live. Certainly would like to see another opener. 19th would be awesome. Some zooming bass! 100% agree that Taylor's main spot should vary. If not MR, then he could guest on 2 shorter songs. Sway & Love in vain for instance. One more shot gone, street fighting man in. I mean, its the same bloody song anyway! ANd for something really different, rock and a hard place would slot in nicely somewhere. Shouldnt complain though. This IS the last time.


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Justin wrote on May 16th, 2013 at 6:38pm:
Well, I didn't mean it literally: never did Blondie overpower Keith or did the two had to fight for the sound space but the effect of Blondie on stage with an electric guitar had a very clear effect on Keith.  With Keith up there, he knew that he had two guitars underneath him covering his ass: Ronnie and Blondie.  There was a lot of opportunity to sit back and go about things very half assed.  And man did he take that opportunity. I think his "performance" of Little T&A from Shine A Light displays this shit storm perfectly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTddCYXkka4

In typical Keith fashion of the time, here he is completely under-rehearsed and totally banking on the other guitar players to cover him.  The only thing he seems to know for sure is the key the song is in just so he could whip out a solo to make up for his lack of playing.  That year was particularly difficult to watch mainly because Keith sunk into a very laid back role among the team of guitar players on stage.  Blondie was never mixed as loud as Keith, but in my interpretation of the recordings is that Keith thought Blondie would be there to cover for him in the sound which is why Keith apparently felt the need to noodle as much as he did.  But as we can hear...Blondie was apparently only really audible to those on stage but not really to us, the audience.  .


The fall 2006 US leg and European tour the following year saw Keith pretty much cease from playing and singing simultaneously.  He had held things together pretty well all things considered post-Fiji on the Europe 2006 leg but something alarming seems to have happened during that three week period between the last European show in '06 and the US leg that started in Foxborough - during which time he filmed his cameo for Pirates 3. Lot of very concerned reviews on here at the marked deterioration in his condition and playing, although (as was the case in Europe in '07) he did seem to improve as the tour progressed.

I still think the decision not to play and sing at the same time was medically related. He had admitted that as a result of his accident he had started taking epileptic-style seizures. And one way of triggering something like that is to do something which requires a lot of concentration and co-ordination. Playing guitar and singing could well have been a combined activity that would have aggravated it. Seems to have been a condition that is under control now, however.
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Gazza wrote on May 17th, 2013 at 1:48pm:
Justin wrote on May 16th, 2013 at 6:38pm:
Well, I didn't mean it literally: never did Blondie overpower Keith or did the two had to fight for the sound space but the effect of Blondie on stage with an electric guitar had a very clear effect on Keith.  With Keith up there, he knew that he had two guitars underneath him covering his ass: Ronnie and Blondie.  There was a lot of opportunity to sit back and go about things very half assed.  And man did he take that opportunity. I think his "performance" of Little T&A from Shine A Light displays this shit storm perfectly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTddCYXkka4

In typical Keith fashion of the time, here he is completely under-rehearsed and totally banking on the other guitar players to cover him.  The only thing he seems to know for sure is the key the song is in just so he could whip out a solo to make up for his lack of playing.  That year was particularly difficult to watch mainly because Keith sunk into a very laid back role among the team of guitar players on stage.  Blondie was never mixed as loud as Keith, but in my interpretation of the recordings is that Keith thought Blondie would be there to cover for him in the sound which is why Keith apparently felt the need to noodle as much as he did.  But as we can hear...Blondie was apparently only really audible to those on stage but not really to us, the audience.  .


The fall 2006 US leg and European tour the following year saw Keith pretty much cease from playing and singing simultaneously.  He had held things together pretty well all things considered post-Fiji on the Europe 2006 leg but something alarming seems to have happened during that three week period between the last European show in '06 and the US leg that started in Foxborough - during which time he filmed his cameo for Pirates 3. Lot of very concerned reviews on here at the marked deterioration in his condition and playing, although (as was the case in Europe in '07) he did seem to improve as the tour progressed.

I still think the decision not to play and sing at the same time was medically related. He had admitted that as a result of his accident he had started taking epileptic-style seizures. And one way of triggering something like that is to do something which requires a lot of concentration and co-ordination. Playing guitar and singing could well have been a combined activity that would have aggravated it. Seems to have been a condition that is under control now, however.


Did he admit to actually suffering a seizure, or taking medication to prevent one, as is a matter of course after a brain injury? My memory is telling me the latter, but I could be wrong.
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Gazza wrote on May 17th, 2013 at 1:48pm:
Justin wrote on May 16th, 2013 at 6:38pm:
Well, I didn't mean it literally: never did Blondie overpower Keith or did the two had to fight for the sound space but the effect of Blondie on stage with an electric guitar had a very clear effect on Keith.  With Keith up there, he knew that he had two guitars underneath him covering his ass: Ronnie and Blondie.  There was a lot of opportunity to sit back and go about things very half assed.  And man did he take that opportunity. I think his "performance" of Little T&A from Shine A Light displays this shit storm perfectly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTddCYXkka4

In typical Keith fashion of the time, here he is completely under-rehearsed and totally banking on the other guitar players to cover him.  The only thing he seems to know for sure is the key the song is in just so he could whip out a solo to make up for his lack of playing.  That year was particularly difficult to watch mainly because Keith sunk into a very laid back role among the team of guitar players on stage.  Blondie was never mixed as loud as Keith, but in my interpretation of the recordings is that Keith thought Blondie would be there to cover for him in the sound which is why Keith apparently felt the need to noodle as much as he did.  But as we can hear...Blondie was apparently only really audible to those on stage but not really to us, the audience.  .


The fall 2006 US leg and European tour the following year saw Keith pretty much cease from playing and singing simultaneously.  He had held things together pretty well all things considered post-Fiji on the Europe 2006 leg but something alarming seems to have happened during that three week period between the last European show in '06 and the US leg that started in Foxborough - during which time he filmed his cameo for Pirates 3. Lot of very concerned reviews on here at the marked deterioration in his condition and playing, although (as was the case in Europe in '07) he did seem to improve as the tour progressed.

I still think the decision not to play and sing at the same time was medically related. He had admitted that as a result of his accident he had started taking epileptic-style seizures. And one way of triggering something like that is to do something which requires a lot of concentration and co-ordination. Playing guitar and singing could well have been a combined activity that would have aggravated it. Seems to have been a condition that is under control now, however.



Very interesting.  A quick review of a few videos from that period confirms that Keith consistently didn't play guitar whilst singing.  It could very well be possible that it was at the suggestion of his doctors to not do both activities at the same time.  What was his excuse during "Slipping Away" on the Licks tour, though!

2007 was a very rough time for the band...it's really hard for me to watch these performances and see Keith in this state.

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I remember the show in Phoenix in 06 when I saw something I had never ever seen before at a Stones show: Keith went off the stage and Ronnie played Streets of Love with Blondie. To be honest, I didn't realize anything different about that show and thought it was still excellent, but in light of this discussion, I wonder how much of that was Blondie covering.
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I have to say one thing in Blondie's defense as a guitar player.

I go to most Waddy shows and Blondie is often there as part of the band. One of the only songs that you will ever see Waddy relinquish the lead is Bitch. I have seen many guest guitar players take that lead...and nobody kills it dead on like Blondie, and I think 95% of the crowd would be with me on this. No matter how drunk, wasted or stoned he looks, Blondie's performance never seems compromised. I guess that's a place Keith was at a number of years back (but not any more).
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That was a really tough patch is right.

I remember thinking at the time that the whole story about Keith knockin' his noggin, and brain surgery and all that was strange.  And I remember some of those shows after -- it was very sad. 

Add on those odd performances he did back a couple years ago -- things did not look good for our hero, or our band.

Happy to hear him playing well -- and I agree that Mick certainly had a big role in that.  But gotta give Keith a lot of credit for manning up, taking the criticism to heart, and really working at it.  Can't wait to see them

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Justin wrote on May 17th, 2013 at 2:23pm:

Very interesting.  A quick review of a few videos from that period confirms that Keith consistently didn't play guitar whilst singing.  It could very well be possible that it was at the suggestion of his doctors to not do both activities at the same time.  What was his excuse during "Slipping Away" on the Licks tour, though!




It was the Frank Sinatra in him coming out. He fancied himself as a crooner. That was the tour where he also sang 'Nearness of You' - and it was terrific.
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Mel Belli wrote on May 17th, 2013 at 1:54pm:
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Justin wrote on May 16th, 2013 at 6:38pm:
Well, I didn't mean it literally: never did Blondie overpower Keith or did the two had to fight for the sound space but the effect of Blondie on stage with an electric guitar had a very clear effect on Keith.  With Keith up there, he knew that he had two guitars underneath him covering his ass: Ronnie and Blondie.  There was a lot of opportunity to sit back and go about things very half assed.  And man did he take that opportunity. I think his "performance" of Little T&A from Shine A Light displays this shit storm perfectly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTddCYXkka4

In typical Keith fashion of the time, here he is completely under-rehearsed and totally banking on the other guitar players to cover him.  The only thing he seems to know for sure is the key the song is in just so he could whip out a solo to make up for his lack of playing.  That year was particularly difficult to watch mainly because Keith sunk into a very laid back role among the team of guitar players on stage.  Blondie was never mixed as loud as Keith, but in my interpretation of the recordings is that Keith thought Blondie would be there to cover for him in the sound which is why Keith apparently felt the need to noodle as much as he did.  But as we can hear...Blondie was apparently only really audible to those on stage but not really to us, the audience.  .


The fall 2006 US leg and European tour the following year saw Keith pretty much cease from playing and singing simultaneously.  He had held things together pretty well all things considered post-Fiji on the Europe 2006 leg but something alarming seems to have happened during that three week period between the last European show in '06 and the US leg that started in Foxborough - during which time he filmed his cameo for Pirates 3. Lot of very concerned reviews on here at the marked deterioration in his condition and playing, although (as was the case in Europe in '07) he did seem to improve as the tour progressed.

I still think the decision not to play and sing at the same time was medically related. He had admitted that as a result of his accident he had started taking epileptic-style seizures. And one way of triggering something like that is to do something which requires a lot of concentration and co-ordination. Playing guitar and singing could well have been a combined activity that would have aggravated it. Seems to have been a condition that is under control now, however.


Did he admit to actually suffering a seizure, or taking medication to prevent one, as is a matter of course after a brain injury? My memory is telling me the latter, but I could be wrong.


he said he had to take Dilantin after his brain op. (Its an anti-epileptic drug). (Mojo, September 2007)

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I'm not a medical expert by any means, but I doubt theyd prescribe anti-epileptic medication for someone unless they'd actually HAD seizures first. They're often an after effect of a traumatic brain injury.  It also tends to be a relatively short-term affliction and the seizures usually stop after a few months.
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they did not start with 19th at the Phonix


I know that - but it's a mid-tempo number that they actually can groove on, as on the "Light the Fuse" record.  Why not start with it and retire Get Off my Cloud?
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they did not start with 19th at the Phonix


I know that - but it's a mid-tempo number that they actually can groove on, as on the "Light the Fuse" record.  Why not start with it and retire Get Off my Cloud?

Yeah OFMC isn't a very inspiring opener. Too mellow. They should open with a rocker. ALDTL wou;d actually make a good opener. Considering they play it a lot anyway. You rock!
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Reply #67 - May 28th, 2013 at 10:38am Alert Board Moderator about this Post! 
Blu-ray of the show now available on Hunger City and dimeadozen :

http://www.hungercity.org/details.php?id=25949

http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=451763

Here's 'Emotional Rescue' from it as a sample - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vnh_HMskL64&feature=youtu.be

Make sure your share ratios are pretty good -  it's 23.16 GB!

Edit - It's also available as a ratio-free torrent on Planet Rock :

PlanetRock - http://www.planetrocklosslessbootlegs.com/showthread.php?126827-Rolling-Stones-2... (available as a ratio-free torrent)

I'm gonna start a stickied thread showing links to all the torrents available from this tour, which will be uploaded as the tour progresses
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Reply #68 - May 28th, 2013 at 10:58am Alert Board Moderator about this Post! 
What a great performance of Emotional Rescue! It's a shame that the crowd was lame.
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