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No Expectations: About Brian?
Jan 14th, 2013 at 2:08am
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Everyone has their own interpretation about what a song is about or means. Has anyone else ever looked at No Expectations through the viewpoint of it being about Brian?--His increasing isolation from and marginalization within the band to the point that he was virtually gone by the time the song was recorded, his decline into just being a sad shadow of his former self mentally and physically from drugs; By this time, everything that meant something to him--His band, his girlfriend--was gone. He once was a rich man, now so poor....Perhaps he'd felt down and out and like an outcast before but never like this in his 'sweet, short life'? As the band left him, the band he founded and pretty much seemed to live for, it was what defined him; With Anita leaving him, his peace of mind was gone.

And you could look at the fourth verse as sort of a mutual goodbye between Brian and the Band--Their love, their relationship together was like their music; it's here, and then it's gone.

I just think if you look at it from that sort of point of view, it becomes incredibly heartbreaking. Especially when you consider the song is his last major contribution to the band and his last role performing an instrument as a Rolling Stone was on this song at the Rock N' Roll Circus, his decline and marginalization obvious for anyone to see...He'd not pass through there again, his beautiful, fragile slide guitar leading the bittersweet song, one last waltz with the band he began.

Take me to the station
And put me on a train
I've got no expectations
To pass through here again

Once I was a rich man and
Now I am so poor
But never in my sweet short life
Have I felt like this before

You heart is like a diamond
You throw your pearls at swine
And as I watch you leaving me
You pack my peace of mind

Our love was like the water
That splashes on a stone
Our love is like our music
Its here, and then its gone

So take me to the airport
And put me on a plane
I've got no expectations
To pass through here again
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Re: No Expectations: About Brian?
Reply #1 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 6:41am
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That's Brian playing (steel guitar). We were sitting around in a circle on the floor, singing and playing, recording with open mikes. That was the last time I remember Brian really being totally involved in something that was really worth doing. He was there with everyone else. It's funny how you remember - but that was the last moment I remember him doing that, because he had just lost interest in everything.

- Mick Jagger, 1995   (from timeisonourside.com)



Song was recorded in May 1968, so maybe a bit early for it to be written as a 'bon voyage' as he hadnt reached the point of no return with the band by that point, but I can see how it can read like it was.
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Re: No Expectations: About Brian?
Reply #2 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 9:12am
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Seems very predicting these lyrics. That old Jagger....
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Re: No Expectations: About Brian?
Reply #3 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 9:18am
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Sounds to me like Mick and Keith trying to do Robert Johnson.
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Re: No Expectations: About Brian?
Reply #4 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 11:21am
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Gazza wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 6:41am:
That's Brian playing (steel guitar). We were sitting around in a circle on the floor, singing and playing, recording with open mikes. That was the last time I remember Brian really being totally involved in something that was really worth doing. He was there with everyone else. It's funny how you remember - but that was the last moment I remember him doing that, because he had just lost interest in everything.

- Mick Jagger, 1995   (from timeisonourside.com)



Song was recorded in May 1968, so maybe a bit early for it to be written as a 'bon voyage' as he hadnt reached the point of no return with the band by that point, but I can see how it can read like it was.


Even though it wasn't the point of no return, I think the writing was clearly written on the wall by then: His time with the band was coming to an end. He was pretty damn distant from them all at this point. He was already marginalized from being the leader, his mental and physical health were fading before everyone's else, Anita had already ditched him for Keith, which broke his and Keith's bond permanently.

While it may not have been written with him specifically with mind, I think seeing how he was falling and fading out of the picture slowly had to have some sort of emotional effect on everyone who once loved him...Maybe it was a subconscious influence.

I think, as detached as Mick tries to seem or seems at times, I think he probably felt a lot sadder about Brian's fall than he lets on, and certainly more than Keith did, maybe even more than he was consciously aware of...An example of this being Shine a Light. That song was written in March 1968 and was clearly written about Mick's feelings on Brian at that point, his sadness over it all....Who's to say the same sadness and bittersweet feelings about Brian didn't shadow No Expectations as well? It was written within the same period....

I'm just saying a song doesn't have to be explicitly about one subject or another or be influenced by one thing solely. It could simply be that Mick and Keith wanted to try at doing a Robert Johnson type song...With some obvious inspiration lyrically and melody wise unfolding before their eyes, perhaps without them realizing it consciously.

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Re: No Expectations: About Brian?
Reply #5 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 11:47am
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StickyStones wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 11:21am:
Gazza wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 6:41am:
That's Brian playing (steel guitar). We were sitting around in a circle on the floor, singing and playing, recording with open mikes. That was the last time I remember Brian really being totally involved in something that was really worth doing. He was there with everyone else. It's funny how you remember - but that was the last moment I remember him doing that, because he had just lost interest in everything.

- Mick Jagger, 1995   (from timeisonourside.com)



Song was recorded in May 1968, so maybe a bit early for it to be written as a 'bon voyage' as he hadnt reached the point of no return with the band by that point, but I can see how it can read like it was.


Even though it wasn't the point of no return, I think the writing was clearly written on the wall by then: His time with the band was coming to an end. He was pretty damn distant from them all at this point. He was already marginalized from being the leader, his mental and physical health were fading before everyone's else, Anita had already ditched him for Keith, which broke his and Keith's bond permanently.

While it may not have been written with him specifically with mind, I think seeing how he was falling and fading out of the picture slowly had to have some sort of emotional effect on everyone who once loved him...Maybe it was a subconscious influence.

I think, as detached as Mick tries to seem or seems at times, I think he probably felt a lot sadder about Brian's fall than he lets on, and certainly more than Keith did, maybe even more than he was consciously aware of...An example of this being Shine a Light. That song was written in March 1968 and was clearly written about Mick's feelings on Brian at that point, his sadness over it all....Who's to say the same sadness and bittersweet feelings about Brian didn't shadow No Expectations as well? It was written within the same period....

I'm just saying a song doesn't have to be explicitly about one subject or another or be influenced by one thing solely. It could simply be that Mick and Keith wanted to try at doing a Robert Johnson type song...With some obvious inspiration lyrically and melody wise unfolding before their eyes, perhaps without them realizing it consciously.




Was it?  First I've heard of it, if so. Not saying you're wrong, but I've never read that anywhere. It was recorded in 1970, although there's rumours of an early version from March 1969 (in which case, the lyrics may or may not have been written by that stage)


Your last paragraph touches on a good point. People tend to oversimplify Stones lyrics as being specifically 'about' one thing. Jagger isn't really that much of an open book emotionally. A lot of his lyrics (and Keith's too, to an extent) tend to be multi-dimensional. Songs like 'Worried About You' for example. As much about their own relationship as about a male-female one.
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Re: No Expectations: About Brian?
Reply #6 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 12:31pm
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damnit...he played some slide guitar....he was not using a lap steel....that always gets mixed up.
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christijanus wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 9:12am:
Seems very predicting these lyrics. That old Jagger....


Mick's a great lyricist, and No Expectations is a beautiful song.

The lyrics could fit in well with any one of a number of relationships or situations.
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Reply #8 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 3:14pm
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Did Brian do more drugs than Keith "overall" back then, or did Brian just accidentally drown?
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Re: No Expectations: About Brian?
Reply #9 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 4:59pm
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steel driving hammer wrote on Jan 14th, 2013 at 3:14pm:
Did Brian do more drugs than Keith "overall" back then, or did Brian just accidentally drown?

Going by that Book of Tony S. Brian would go into a washroom with a bag full of every drug you can think of, swallow the entire bag & come back to the table, that's if that's true, God only knows, if Brain had a death wish & was over doing it with self destruction by way of drugs, who knows, you can't go by these people who write books to make it more interesting to exact rate the truth, there's the Murder question, God only knows, I know they sure sold a lot of books of Brian, & who made all the money? the people writing the book.
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Reply #10 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 5:31pm
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Keith partied with his heroin, but he was safe about it...He got his smack from reliable people, in more pharmaceutical doses and very clean. He didn't really go to the EDGE. He can say he survived this or that but it's more about him having good connections that ensured he never got a bad batch of Heroin. It isn't that he was stronger than this one or that. Just knew the right people and was more cautious....

Brian probably partied harder with everything and blew his mind in the process, sadly. His last days are kind of muddy--some say he was just this plump, depressed, heavy lidded shadow of his former self, some say he'd seemed the happiest in years after he was fired from the Stones and that he had all sorts of plans and that it was almost like a relief for him.

What Brian would've done, had he lived, probably would've been amazing. I could easily imagine him experimenting with prog rock. I don't think he would've ended up like Syd Barrett.

And I think in a friendlier, less vicious environment--one where he might've had more confidence--he could've showcased his musical ability and bloomed into being an artist of his own. Mick and Keith can claim he had no songwriting talent, but then, did he ever actually show his songs to anyone?
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Re: No Expectations: About Brian?
Reply #11 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 5:58pm
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No Expectations is not about Brian. There seems to be a fan-based wish that certains songs in the catalog are about other band members. (No Expectations, Sweethearts Together, Back Of My Hand, Shine A Light, etc.) I've noticed people that really like Brian, expecially since Crossfire Hurricane, pin No Expections on Mick's feelings about Brian. There is no evidence in any interview over the past 40+ years to suggest this. I doubt Mick was so clear minded to write a song foreshadowing the future of one of the band members.

In 1994, Sweethearts Together was released and a bunch of fans I knew claimed the song was written by Mick and Keith and it summed up their feelings for each other.

???????

I have heard on various boards (IORR) that Shine A Light is about Brian, but never bought into that either.

http://www.iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,1248622,1249705

That link also has someone talking about Sweethearts Together!
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Re: No Expectations: About Brian?
Reply #12 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 6:01pm
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Is this about Brian?

You look like you're totally spaced
Your breath's got a horrible taste
You look like a leper, dressed as Sergeant Pepper
Are you going to throw up all over my face
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Reply #13 - Jan 14th, 2013 at 6:08pm
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The major thing that fed this Brian/No Expectations rumor is Twitter. I remember there was a comment made by a fan that the song "speaks to Brian Jones' situation". It was retweeted by many people.
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