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NO shows in 2013 for their 50th ...from Ian
Dec 6th, 2012 at 4:00pm
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I keep hearing from a few friends of mine The Stones are going to continue to tour on behalf of their 50th Anniversary into next year or next year some time.


The simple answer to that is a simple: No they aren't. If they do shows next year it will not be to celebrate their 50th anniversary nor will it have the same marketing campaign. I can only say this so many times...  


The flippin concerts for that are THIS YEAR! The celebrations for their 50th are very recently and RIGHT FLIPPIN NOW... (you know...book, documentary, greatest hits, special set of shows .. .. pay per view) .....not in 2013. How hard is this concept?

I can only say it so many times... how on earth are they going to promote concerts next year based on the 50th Anniversary thing...? Everyone will be like... "well yeah...its great they are going to do shows...but wasn't their official celebrations for the 50th LAST YEAR...??).

This is not a two year juncture everyone. Those days are gone for The Stones... anyone who is not seeing this is blind. IF they do shows next year it will be based on a different concept all together. The marketing machine has been created and targeted for their 50th THIS YEAR. ...not next.

Think about how silly will it sound for The Stones and their organization to be touting anniversary shows again some time next year??


If they do decide to do shows next year it won't be part of this "50 and counting" thing. This is not 40 Licks ... The Stones are not 60 anymore and there is no two year jaunt. Their approach and marketing strategy is more confined and direct now. 2012 is their Anniversary and they are celebrating it right friggin now... NOT again in 2013.
It only makes sense and the notion of shows in 2013 based on this is silly from a marketing standpoint and from a logical standpoint ...


What part of this isn't everybody getting ..? geez -


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Reply #1 - Dec 6th, 2012 at 4:04pm
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Something tells me you may not understand the "and counting" part of "50 and counting."
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Re: NO shows in 2013 for their 50th ...from Ian
Reply #2 - Dec 6th, 2012 at 4:06pm
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1963 is their 50th anniversary for those outside England, in 1962 they only played local (London) gigs, in 1963 they released two singles and appeared in the LP "Thank You Lucky Stars Volume Two" (Decca LK 4554) it was until 1964 that they released albums and they were famous all over the planet...

So...

Let's tour 2013 and 2014 you bastards!
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Reply #3 - Dec 6th, 2012 at 4:06pm
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Reply #4 - Dec 6th, 2012 at 5:01pm
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For what it's worth I have a friend that has some rather strong relations inside the world of Ticketmaster. He says that any talk of a 2013 Stones' tour is bogus. He said, "Steve it ain't gonna happen. Period." I said that I had heard that there was talk of something in 2013 and he made it very clear again. "It's not gonna happen" When I pressed him on how he knew he just said that there is some talk of a possible 2013 show or two on the west coast, but even that is doubtful. I remain positive that something might happen, but I'm not ruling out the possibility that I may have seen the Stones for the last time other than the pay-per-view show on the 15th.


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Re: NO shows in 2013 for their 50th ...from Ian
Reply #5 - Dec 6th, 2012 at 5:15pm
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Everything I've been told suggests quite the opposite.

Plenty of shows in 2013.
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Reply #6 - Dec 6th, 2012 at 5:15pm
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ijwthstd wrote on Dec 6th, 2012 at 4:04pm:
Something tells me you may not understand the "and counting" part of "50 and counting."



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Reply #7 - Dec 6th, 2012 at 5:36pm
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Riffhard wrote on Dec 6th, 2012 at 5:01pm:
For what it's worth I have a friend that has some rather strong relations inside the world of Ticketmaster. He says that any talk of a 2013 Stones' tour is bogus. He said, "Steve it ain't gonna happen. Period." I said that I had heard that there was talk of something in 2013 and he made it very clear again. "It's not gonna happen" When I pressed him on how he knew he just said that there is some talk of a possible 2013 show or two on the west coast, but even that is doubtful. I remain positive that something might happen, but I'm not ruling out the possibility that I may have seen the Stones for the last time other than the pay-per-view show on the 15th.


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Riffy, that's what I think also. Dec 15th is the final Stones concert. It is over...
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Reply #8 - Dec 6th, 2012 at 5:48pm
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Gazza wrote on Dec 6th, 2012 at 5:15pm:
Everything I've been told suggests quite the opposite.

Plenty of shows in 2013.



Yeah, that's what I had heard as well from some record reps. They were always careful to couch these reports with comments like possible, rumored, etc.


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Reply #9 - Dec 6th, 2012 at 5:57pm
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It seems clear to me that this years shows were a testing of the waters: economically (oh that Mick's a clever bugger) as well as to see if the audience was still there (and would pay huge sums).
They started in late 2012 to tie in with the whole "50 Years" theme, but also to prime their audience (not to mention hawking 'Grrrr' for the Christmas shopping market).
Surely they wouldn't go through all this effort for just five gigs. Especially considering how well they all seem to be (and how well they're playing), and the great receptiveness of the public (barring sluggish ticket sales, which is understandable given how obscenely expensive they are).
No. There's way too much money to be made from this. I predict more shows, probably quite a few, if not an outright proper tour (albeit with several days in between dates for rest). Also, another four disc DVD comp featuring the PPV from Newark. I also predict some on the road recording (if new stuff isn't already recorded that we don't know about, including re-worked old stuff)I'll bet there's some new studio stuff released early next year, even if just a couple more singles ( and aside from the Archival stuff).
Not over by a long shot.
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Reply #10 - Dec 6th, 2012 at 6:19pm
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" ... The Stones are not 60 anymore..."

I don't know why, but that strikes me as hilarious!

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Again: I am certainly ..."not"... saying they will not perform any shows in 2013. That is a real possibility..however what I am saying is they will not bill it as this "50 and Counting" stuff....and it will not be part of their Anniversary. No ape... nothing the same. IF they do perform it will be a different concept and will most likely not even have the same stage.

-Didn't you folks see they said on their facebook page their "final show" of their 50 and counting concerts is the PPV special....? Isn't that enough. Their special set of shows to celebrate their 50th is this year and then that's it as far as their 50th is concerned. There is going to be no extension into next year on that concept ..as I said from the beginning ... that would be really stupid and would make no sense from a marketing stand-point.


Look the "50 and counting" is more less referring to the years .... not a number of shows. ..and I don't think it's any play on words.


YES they may do some shows next year...  and I do not think these set of shows is their last. However if they do shows some time later next year it won't be part of their anniversary... who knows what it will concern but the whole 50th Anniversary concept will be over by years end.


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Reply #12 - Dec 6th, 2012 at 7:12pm
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These shows have/are setting the bar very high for next year - then again they have gone all out to market the '50 and counting' shows as the best, most magnificent and grandiose they have ever done, and ever will do. But that is not to say that these shows are their last. On the contrary, they have now established that a high demand exists for astronomically priced tickets.  If they do more shows next year the content will be toned down - ie no regular guests, choir etc., and the prices will be a bit cheaper, but I think they can feel safe in the knowledge that they can charge whatever they want.

Without professing to know or speculating any specifics, I daresay less grandiose, but more frequent/spread out shows will take place - with the chance that tickets will be cheaper, albeit still ridiculously expensive.
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Reply #13 - Dec 6th, 2012 at 7:19pm
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Well, Ian, then it's just down to semantics. A lot of people are saying that after these five shows, it's over. Which it probably isn't. So what difference does it make if they consider any further shows part of their "50th Anniversary" celebration? Gigs are gigs.
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Ian Billen wrote on Dec 6th, 2012 at 7:10pm:
Again: I am certainly ..."not"... saying they will not perform any shows in 2013. That is a real possibility..however what I am saying is they will not bill it as this "50 and Counting" stuff....and it will not be part of their Anniversary. No ape... nothing the same. IF they do perform it will be a different concept and will most likely not even have the same stage.

-Didn't you folks see they said on their facebook page their "final show" of their 50 and counting concerts is the PPV special....? Isn't that enough. Their special set of shows to celebrate their 50th is this year and then that's it.  


Look the "50 and counting" is more less referring to the years .... not a number of shows. ..and I don't think it's any play on words.


YES they may do some shows next year... however it won't be part of their anniversary... who knows what it will concern but the whole 50th Anniversary concept will be over by years end.


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I think it would make good sense if they started a new marketing campaign for next year's shows. They've gone to extreme lengths to imprint upon their audiences the notion that these five '50 and counting' shows are a cream of the crop of Rolling Stones shows, a true celebration of their 50 years as a band. This atmosphere and spirit surrounding the shows leads to a subconscious inclination that perhaps this is the Stones going out with a bang. Which, in my opinion, was an ingenius marketing technique to drive speculation that these shows would be their last and to thereby increase demand to match the massive cost of tickets. Conversely, if they had billed these shows as anything else (/ 'normal'), demand perhaps would not have existed. But this i speculative and was simply never going to happen - not this year.

So I agree with you. The '50 and counting' 'celebratory' campaign was rightly directed at these shows only, and for a good reason (from Rolling Stones incorporated's perspective).

Whatever they bill next year's shows as, I'm sure it will be special, but not as special.
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Reply #15 - Dec 6th, 2012 at 7:26pm
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Very good analyisis, Patrick. I agree (but of course, who really knows except the Stones).
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Okay, so they call it something other than 50 and Counting. What's the difference.
As for rumors of no more shows, last I looked there were about 2,200 and 1,800 tickets available in Stub Hub alone formthe 2 Jersey shows.  Is Someone doing the scalpers a favor so they bite again next year?
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Reply #17 - Dec 6th, 2012 at 9:18pm
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Ian...were you one of those people who stayed home on Dec 31, 1999 because the millennium actually started Jan 1 2001???
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I am kidding, of course...but you did, didn't you?!?

Anyway...isn't EVERY year an anniversary??
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" ... The Stones are not 60 anymore..."

I don't know why, but that strikes me as hilarious!

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hehehehe ... I see your point.  What I actually meant was at 60 ... even in their case 63-65 they managed to pull it off (However ABB was ..."just" making it without it seeming like they are failing at long treks).


And now they are 70! Aint gonna happen as it did for Licks... or even ABB bc dudes are 70. Huge age and physical diff between 60 and 70...not so much between 50-60... is what I actually meant hehe.


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Ian...were you one of those people who stayed home on Dec 31, 1999 because the millennium actually started Jan 1 2001???
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I am kidding, of course...but you did, didn't you?!?

Anyway...isn't EVERY year an anniversary??



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What I am saying is the same thing as Mr. Yeats for the most part. I believe The Stones will do shows next year most likely but that they will not be the same as this special set of shows. It won't be touted as the 50th anniversary thing continued.... there will be no ape... and I expect they will record and change things up. What I am saying is shows in 2013 will be under a different premise all together. Mick Taylor wont be there... Neither will Wyman .... there will be a different stage.... and the whole Grrr thing will be left to 2012... and maybe they will record on the road and release an album by next fall.


The Anniversary celebrations are over after this year is what I'm saying. People are not going to be saying they are "going to see the Stones on their 50th Anniversary tour"...they will simply be saying "I am going to see The Rolling Stones"... There will be a different stage and set-list and I don't expect any sort of major tour. Just sets of 3 or 5 shows sporadically here and again... with possibly some recording in between.

Their website and their publicity machine won't label the t-shirts, merchandise or anything down the road in 2013 as connected or part of their continuing 50th Anniversary shows ...because that jaunt will be over. Mick will thank everyone in Newark and that show will be the last of the 50th celebrations and all the special facets it included... As well, it would seem really silly to label something a even a few months into 2013 or later into next year some time as also their 50th celebration .. .. .. Everyone will be like "Woe...how long you gonna Milk that?... You guys ended that in Newark and your 50th was officially celebrated LAST year." Any shows in in 2013 will be with a different name or premise, or concept if they decide to perform is what I'm saying.


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Gazza wrote on Dec 6th, 2012 at 5:15pm:
Everything I've been told suggests quite the opposite.

Plenty of shows in 2013.




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"Plenty" ... we shall see... who knows.. but in my opinion they will be in 2-3- and 4 show spurts... not consecutive. As well the 50th Anniversary premise will be laid to rest with all the headlining and merchandise changed and it'll be a different stage and a different concept all together.  There were a slew of special things and 5 special shows (6 if your counting that small Paris warm up) to celebrate their 50th with a special PPV concert finalizing it. Their 50th Anniversary thing is ending December 15th. Next year will not be a continuing of the 50 and Counting stuff is my point if they decide to perform at some time down the road in 2013.


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Re: NO shows in 2013 for their 50th ...from Ian
Reply #22 - Dec 7th, 2012 at 3:46am
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Frankly I am not holding my breath, but it wouldn't surprise me if the boys pay their strongholds one last visit. If they keep their health, we'll see them in several cities in the US, the UK, mainland Europe - Netherlands, Germany, France, Spain - it'll be shorter than usual, there'll be longer breaks between shows.

On the other hand, if they'll tell us that this set of 5 is their 'Last Waltz', I would totally understand.
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Fuck you, Ian.......WILL 'YA ?  LOL
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They wont do all this shit just for 5 shows. 2013 will be the swansong, but the swan WILL sing!
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