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Brian Jones Leaves Rolling Stones

Sometimes you've gotta just do your own thing . . .
 

By ROLLING STONE
July 12, 1969

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Brian Jones has left the Rolling Stones and been replaced by Mick Taylor, former guitarist with John Mayall.

Jones announced his departure June 8th at his home in Hartfield, Sussex, stating: "I want to play my kind of music, which is no longer the Stones music."

He said the split was amicable and that he and the Stones will remain close friends. But, as he restated, "The music Mick and Keith have been writing has progressed at a tangent, as far as my own taste is concerned."

Mick Jagger confirmed the news the next day and announced Jones' replacement.

"We'd known for a few months that Brian wasn't keen," he said. "He wasn't enjoying himself and it got to the stage where we had to sit down and talk about it. So we did and decided the best thing was for him to leave."

Neither Jones nor Jagger revealed what Jones is planning for the future. Said Mick: "He's gotta do his own thing, man, and he hasn't said anything to us about it."

Mick Taylor was called in by Jagger while himself in a transitional stage. He had just left Mayall's Bluesbreakers a few weeks ago and was about to take time off to think over his future in music. He'd been with the Mayall group for two years.

According to Jagger, Taylor was picked because "he's been through the John Mayall school of guitarists — people like Peter Green and Clapton. I didn't want to go through the whole bit of auditioning guitarists, so I spoke to Mayall, a man whose judgment I respect in these matters. John just sort of grunted when I told him we'd like to see Mick, so I took it as a 'yes.'"

Jagger invited Taylor to do a session with the Stones at the Barnes studios, where the Stones have cut 17 tracks for their next two albums.

"I'd never heard him live before — only on records," Jagger said, "but he got on well with Keith and he picked things up quickly, so we got the track done more quickly. He doesn't play anything like Brian. He's a bluesman and he wants to play rock and roll, so that's okay."

Taylor was scheduled to make his public debut as a Stone on June 25th and 26th at the Colosseum in Rome. The concerts are being filmed, Jagger said, for worldwide distribution. A London concert is being planned for the first week in July, and the "new" Rolling Stones may also tape a segment for David Frost's TV show to be shown in the U.S.

This story is from the July 12th, 1969 issue of Rolling Stone.



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right before the fiftieth anniversary tour? why?
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Interesting how this article came out nine days after his death.  Spooky post
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“What rap did that was impressive was to show there are so many tone-deaf people out there,” he says. “All they need is a drum beat and somebody yelling over it and they’re happy. There’s an enormous market for people who can’t tell one note from another.” - Keef
 
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It is, Rolling Stone was way of the mark in those days, since they published every Month, I first heard this on the radio (Of Brian's leaving) at the time I couldn't see The stones without Brian, but in those days, unlike today, news didn't travel that fast in the media, now one get's it the exact time it happens.
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I think the real story goes something like this:

MICK/KEEF went to Brian's house and fired his gin-soaked over-drugged-up ass because he wasnt pulling his weight, in fact Brian was dragging the band down and they didnt want to go down with him. They had no faith that Brian would or could change so they cut him loose. Brian did not leave happily, in fact he was quite upset and depressed about it which ultimately made his addictions worse and led to his untimely death. Poor Brian, he got kicked out of the band he created, what a kick in the teeth that was for him. He did not leave the band under mutually agreeable terms and he never got over it.

This article was the polite version of what happened to preserve Brian's legacy.
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I read somewhere that Brian had a rehearsal lined up with Humble Pie. I read that in a book about Brian or a Steve Marriott biography.
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Yes rehearsals were planned starting the first week of July, he couldn't attend as we was already dead  Spooky post Spooky post Spooky postthe rest is history

Imagine Steve Marriott and Brian Jones doing music! Can ya? A band with Steve Marriott, Brian Jones, Peter Frampton, Greg Ridley and Jerry Shirley!!!
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I have article in my collection of Rolling Stone, will see if it's the complete article or a part
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Bitch wrote on Nov 11th, 2012 at 3:20pm:
I think the real story goes something like this:

MICK/KEEF went to Brian's house and fired his gin-soaked over-drugged-up ass because he wasnt pulling his weight, in fact Brian was dragging the band down and they didnt want to go down with him. They had no faith that Brian would or could change so they cut him loose. Brian did not leave happily, in fact he was quite upset and depressed about it which ultimately made his addictions worse and led to his untimely death. Poor Brian, he got kicked out of the band he created, what a kick in the teeth that was for him. He did not leave the band under mutually agreeable terms and he never got over it.

This article was the polite version of what happened to preserve Brian's legacy.



The band wasn't going to collapse without him as they'd managed to carry him for about a year at that point.

The more important issue regarding the future of the band was that they were planning to tour the US later that year and there was no way Brian was going to be granted a visa as he had a drug conviction.

The article is merely reproducing a version of the officially endorsed "I no longer see eye to eye with the others over the discs we are cutting' line which Brian gave to the (now defunct) 'Daily Sketch' breaking the news of his 'resignation'.
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Who can forget those great concerts in the Colosseum?  What a great film of the shows, too. Antonioni really outdid himself.
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I thought Charlie also went with Keith & Mick to sack Brian.

As for the Colossuem shows. I'll never forget them!
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corgi37 wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 4:00am:
I thought Charlie also went with Keith & Mick to sack Brian.

As for the Colossuem shows. I'll never forget them!



Did Charlie go too? I wasnt sure.
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Bitch wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 6:38am:
corgi37 wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 4:00am:
I thought Charlie also went with Keith & Mick to sack Brian.

As for the Colossuem shows. I'll never forget them!



Did Charlie go too? I wasnt sure.


IIRC in the movie "Stoned" Charlie is with Mick and Keith at Crotchford Farm but hardly said a word.
Though I have my doubts to consider that movie a reliable source.

BTW what Colossuem shows are meant?
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Here's another blast-from-the-past.

BTW, this is the first I've heard of a Beatlles - Stones "merger."







Brian Jones in Jail; Stones Album Delayed

News flashes from the Rolling Stones

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Brian Jones in 1967. GAB Archive/Redferns

The Rolling Stones have finished a two-record album, their first since splitting with manager-producer Andrew Loog Oldham. It's tentatively due for release on December 1.

The delay in release is not due to the tracks themselves, but the album cover. Production problems in fitting it with a thin plastic plate to make the photograph behind appear to move in 3-D is now holding it up.

Bassist Bill Wyman wrote one track. Mick Jagger and Keith Richards wrote the rest. Jagger produced both records.

His experience may have set back the rumored plans for a Beatles-Stones merger centered on record producing. "I'm getting fed up with record producing myself," Mick said this week. "I don't think I'll do any more. Recording the Stones is enough."

But the merger idea, in some form or another, is still not completely dead. Jagger is talking over plans, possibly for a new label, with Beatle Paul McCartney.


Meanwhile, amid the tearful squeals of teenage fans, Stones' rhythm guitarist Brian Jones was sentenced to nine months imprisonment for possession of marijuana and for allowing friends to smoke it in his London apartment.

The sentence was handed down despite a psychiatrist's evidence that Jones' mental health would be completely destroyed by confinement.

"He would go into psychotic depression as he could not possibly stand a stigma of a prison sentence, and he might well attempt to injure himself," argued Dr. Leonard Henry, who treated Jones for a breakdown after his arrest last May.

Jones had pleaded guilty to the charges, but the sentence will be appealed.

Jagger is now on one year's probation for his drug conviction in June. An earlier sentence of one year in prison was reduced on appeal; Richards' conviction at the same time was completely reversed on the same appeal.

This story is from the November 23, 1967 issue of Rolling Stone.

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Here's another blast-from-the-past.

BTW, this is the first I've heard of a Beatlles - Stones "merger."






Cool article....TSMR was supposed to be even longer? WOW! What were THEY smoking???

The merger idea even included plans to buy an island which would be inhabited solely by Stones and Beatles (and, one would assume, groupies and drug dealers). No joke!  I think some of them actually went out in a boat to scout locations near Greece, then lost interest.
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"He would go into psychotic depression as he could not possibly stand a stigma of a prison sentence, and he might well attempt to injure himself," argued Dr. Leonard Henry, who treated Jones for a breakdown after his arrest last May.

I always thought it was entirely possible that Brian committed suicide by drowning himself due to his depression.
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Bitch wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 6:38am:
corgi37 wrote on Nov 12th, 2012 at 4:00am:
I thought Charlie also went with Keith & Mick to sack Brian.

As for the Colossuem shows. I'll never forget them!



Did Charlie go too? I wasnt sure.


IIRC in the movie "Stoned" Charlie is with Mick and Keith at Crotchford Farm but hardly said a word.
Though I have my doubts to consider that movie a reliable source.

BTW what Colossuem shows are meant?


Scaduto's biography of Jagger from about 1974 (the first Stones book I ever bought) specifically mentions Charlie being at the Cotchford Farm meeting.

The Stones had announced two shows at the Colosseum in Rome which were scheduled to take place a week before Hyde Park but, of course, they never came off. Probably couldnt get permits I suppose - even as late as the 80s they still were getting refused permission to stage large scale shows in Italy.
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Which book was it that claimed Mick & Brian had a swordfight in a moat, or something equally stupid?

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Which book was it that claimed Mick & Brian had a swordfight in a moat, or something equally stupid?




Scaduto's.  I think the gist was that Brian came at Jagger with a knife, Mick disarmed him, Brian jumped in the pool to drown himself, Mick dragged him out and then gave him a slap for being a 'stupid bastard'. Never read that 'story' anywhere else since.

Mind you, I think a lot of his source material for that book came from a zonked out Marianne Faithfull.
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Obituary: Brian Jones

Not just a guitarist for the Rolling Stones, but an embodiment of the music itself.
 

By GREIL MARCUS
August 9, 1969

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Brian Jones performing on tv show on November 28th, 1964 in London, England.
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Death permeates the world of rock and roll because it's a risky business. It's risky to be a star, to be treated like one, to act like one. It used to be fashionable to speculate on all the incredible things Bob Dylan might do if he lived past thirty — even old-timer Alan Lomax said something of the sort, I remember — and of course Bob Dylan will most likely outlive us all, not that I look forward to dying before he does, but can you think of anyone you'd rather grow old with, even at a distance?

Brian Jones didn't live past thirty — he died at twenty-six, at the bottom of his swimming pool, probably swallowing some water, too stoned to catch his breath and come up for air. Jones has a lot of company: Sam Cooke, shot in the stomach; Holly, Valens, Richardson, dead in a plane crash; Eddie Cochran, auto accident; Brian Epstein, pills and booze; Frankie Lymon, heroin; and of course, Otis Redding, whose death was probably the most tragic of all. The deaths of these men, boys some of them, affected me powerfully — I can remember that — but I woke up to hear that Brian Jones was dead and not more than a ripple of sorrow passed through the room. It was time for it, there was just nothing left for him to do. Become a Rolling Stone and die.

Jones' death, like Sam Cooke's, was not spectacular, but sordid; Jones had been in and out of court and jail on drug busts for a couple of years, and I doubt if anyone really believed the official explanation of his departure from the Stones — "He wanted to make his own music." Sure, but I doubt if it was the kind of music one makes with guitars. How does one come down from the status of a Rolling Stone? The news of Jones' death seemed as inevitable as a body count. There was no way to deal with it.

It was not dealt with at all. The Stones' new single, "Honky Tonk Women," one of their best, certainly the best thing going on any radio, had just been released, and hours after Jones' picture hit the front page of the paper — "Death of an Idol" — a DJ was rapping: "Well that's the new single by the Stones gonna be their biggest in a long time looks like ol' Brian Jones really missed out on this one too bad."

When the Stones started out in 1962 it was Jones, Jagger and Richards who were the real fanatics, who knew they'd make it and pushed until they did; bassist Bill Wyman and drummer Charlie Watts were a bit skeptical, nursing their secret hopes but not really believing in the band the way the other three did. Jones' contribution to the Stones wasn't musical, not really, though he was a fine musician, versatile, kneeling down on dulcimer or zither or whatever it was on "Lady Jane," Jones the sensual guitarist, sitting back with his harmonica, his organ, his piano, harpischord, bells, whatever was lying around, whatever sounded right at the time.

Jones was perhaps more of a Rolling Stone than any of the others. What the Stones as a group sang about, what Jagger and Richard wrote about, Jones did, and he did it right out in public, and he got caught, and he looked the part. Paternity suits even in the early days, dope busts, pink suits, chartreuse suits, the bell of yellow hair and the impish grin, even the red and yellow stripes he wore that made Mick Jagger look like he was wearing Salvation Army leftovers — that was Brian Jones. A true rake. He wasn't acting out the Stones' music, he just happened to be the Stones' music, and that was one reason why you know the Stones always mean it, why you know they aren't sitting around thinking up clever ideas that might make a good song — it was always valid and Jones was the reason, part of the reason, why "the red 'round your eyes shows that you ain't a child" wasn't an idea, wasn't "hey, let's write a song about methedrine," but was fact, rough fact, rake's fact.

A few years ago there were a lot of songs written and a lot of questions asked about such things as "Who Killed Davey Moore" and "Who Killed Norma Jean" and so on. The answer, of course, was "everybody," and it seems rather a pallid, stupid answer right now, because those questions and their common answer enforced the kind of guilt one could assuage by making a contribution to the United Crusade or the City of Hope. Cheap guilt and cheap salvation. A metaphysical cry for spare change — spare some of your soul, we're taking up a collection for good ol' Brian Jones.

I hope the Stones don't respond that way. I really hope they don't show up at Jones' funeral in black suits and grey ties. In a way, Jones' death shows us and maybe Mick Jagger himself that the Stones weren't kidding when they sang "Sympathy for the Devil." "I lay traps for troubadors who get killed before they reach Bombay. Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name. But what's confusing you is just the nature of my game." As H. P. Lovecraft wrote in The Case of Charles Dexter Ward,

I say to you againe, do not call
up Any that you cannot put downe;
by the which I meane, Any that
can in turn call up somewhat against
you, whereby your powerfullest de-
vices may not be of use.


The Rolling Stones call up whatever they can use, and it's no worry whether or not it can be "put down" later on. "Sympathy for the Devil" turns out to be the epitaph of Brian Jones as surely as if he'd written it himself and left it lying by that pool as a suicide note. Jones didn't commit suicide because he wasn't any Ernest Hemingway sitting around thinking up new ways to prove his manhood. You can't come down from being a Rolling Stone. No way down, and one way out.

It happens. Traps for troubadors, and sometimes one doesn't stumble into them but goes looking for them. We grow up with death. Brian Jones, R.I.P.

This story is from the August 9th, 1969 issue of Rolling Stone.



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Brian Jones Fined In Dope Case

Judge rules against jail time, allowing the Stone to work on upcoming film
 
October 26, 1968


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LONDON—A jury found Rolling Stone Brian Jones guilty of possession of marijuana on September 26th. He was fined but not given a jail sentence as had been feared, making it possible for him to work with his fellow musicians in their newest movie.

The conviction, Jones' second, brought a fine of $120 and penalty of $253 in court costs. Reminding the 26-year-old musician that he is on probation for his conviction last October, court chairman R. E. Seaton told Jones "you must really watch your step."

Seaton declined to give Brian a jail sentence for his violation of probation. Mick Jagger was quoted as saying, "We are very pleased that Brian did not have to go to jail. Money does not matter."

Now it seems the Rolling Stones are almost certain to star in a major film – described as "weird, mad, bizarre" – to be made by a Hollywood production company in Africa in late December. The movie will be filmed in color, with Mick Jagger as the central figure.

Keith Richards will have a supporting role, as will Brian Jones.

Jagger and Richards will write the entire musical score, although it is unlikely the group will appear performing any of the numbers. They play opposing characters in the story.

The movie is described by Jagger as "a family film," and is also likely to include Anita Pallenberg – at present shooting with Jagger in Performance and possibily Marianne Faithfull. The script, by an American writer, is being kept secret.

The Jean-Luc Godard movie One Plus One, in which the Stones are shown at length in recording studios, is completed. It was flown to the U.S. to be shown at the New York Film Festival, September 17-28. The film has been chosen as London Festival Choice for the London Film Festival in November.

Meanwhile, no definite word has arrived concerning the dispute about the bathroom-wall cover of the Stones' next album. Once the matter is decided, it will take only two weeks to get the record, finished two months ago, into the stores.

Two weeks ago, the Stones took a full page advertisement in the British pop paper, Melody Maker, thanking the readers for their votes in the annual pop poll. In the advertisement, the cover of the disputed album (printed in the last issue of Rolling Stone) was reproduced with the following text accompanying it: "This is the front of our new album which we finished two months ago. Due to religious disagreements, no release date has been set." The copy continued with one more sentence, suggesting that readers who wanted the album out write to the record company. In the United States, inquiries and complaints may be addressed to: Mr. Toller-Bond, President, London Records, 539 W. 25th St., New York.

This story is from the October 26, 1968 issue of Rolling Stone.



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“What rap did that was impressive was to show there are so many tone-deaf people out there,” he says. “All they need is a drum beat and somebody yelling over it and they’re happy. There’s an enormous market for people who can’t tell one note from another.” - Keef
 
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