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Reply #275 - Nov 22nd, 2012 at 8:27am
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gimmekeef wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:48am:
Watch Ryan's last stand tonight as the Pats trounce the Jets and the Fat Man is fired on Friday........(course my turkey day predictions are always wrong)

he ain't getting fired and i hate the jets... GM goes first all one has to do is spend a morning listening to either of the NY am sports stations to know who is under fire. woody johnson likes rex and he could loose out and keep his job this year. Tannenbaum has made the bad personnel choices..

geeze i knew most everyone here knew how a team works....pats fans should be grateful today for Mo Lewis's big hit on Drew circa 2001 and Belli for sticking with Brady after his start other wise ya got nothing. Without a QB teams go nowhere plain and simple. My team I love is prime example. and even more so with all the stinkin rule changes coddling them..... funny though carl banks yesterday on air advocated no bounty mind you but for one of the safeties to knock welkers head off with a legal but hardest hit possible first time he comes across the middle take the 15 yard penalty but change the game....won't matter as jets can't score any better than we can. and in my mind welkers a moving target which is why he doesn't get blown up more.

so all football fans today great day of games, food, music, and if your team has a good QB be thankful!!!!
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Hector Camacho putting Sugar Smack on his ass!]



Hector Camacho is brain dead.

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sirmoonie wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 11:55am:
Hector Camacho putting Sugar Smack on his ass!]



Hector Camacho is brain dead.

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Thanks gordita.  What a whacked out coincidence that I randomly thought to post, in an NFL thread, a photo of boxer who retired 20 years ago, on the same day he's declared brain dead.  It can't be explained in human terms.  Like most of my posts, there must be some divine inspiration at work.
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Reply #279 - Nov 22nd, 2012 at 1:32pm
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sweetcharmedlife wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 11:27am:
I do hope the Niners stick with Kapernick. He just looked so smooth. Throws a nice ball and gave the passing game some vertical trheats to it. Instead of the dink and dunk that Alex Smith throws.



until defenses have a book on the rook in about 3 games (what he does in certain looks what he likes etc) then its back to earth like luck and cam et al.

smith for all his faults didn't lose the championship game last year he brought niners there. kyle williams cost you a trip to the dance. wait and see harbaugh is good coach hell we wanted him but he is going to create issues sooner or later it will be a distraction.

It's not like baseball where once a team sees a pitcher a couple of times they figure him out. They can look at all the film they want. It's the system that works in football. HArbaugh is a mad genius. If he think Kap is the man. Works for me.
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Enjoyable watching the Jets humiliated, at home, on a national day of sloth.  Two years ago, Rex Ryan was guaranteeing a Super Bowl for the D-A Jets.  D-A Jets will be lucky to win another game.

More humiliationism for Cowboys too.  The Ryan brothers embody The Big Fat ethic currently favored in the U.S., and will crash and biff along with it.  See?  See what happens when The Big Fat infests itself in the heart and souls of our once great country?  Shame.  Disgrace. Abashment.  Discomposure.  Ignominy.  Stupefaction.  Shades of Brigham Young at Mountain Meadow.  Shades of The Western Schism.  Shades of Rice at Tripoli.  Shades of Craig at MSP.
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sirmoonie wrote on Nov 23rd, 2012 at 11:05am:
Enjoyable watching the Jets humiliated, at home, on a national day of sloth.  Two years ago, Rex Ryan was guaranteeing a Super Bowl for the D-A Jets.  D-A Jets will be lucky to win another game.

More humiliationism for Cowboys too.  The Ryan brothers embody The Big Fat ethic currently favored in the U.S., and will crash and biff along with it.  See?  See what happens when The Big Fat infests itself in the heart and souls of our once great country?  Shame.  Disgrace. Abashment.  Discomposure.  Ignominy.  Stupefaction.  Shades of Brigham Young at Mountain Meadow.  Shades of The Western Schism.  Shades of Rice at Tripoli.  Shades of Craig at MSP.


We have our hands full with the Browns this week end......at least the few players we have left to field do
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In Dan Moses' mind, the gorgeous January day in San Francisco couldn't have been better. The New Orleans native turned Bay Area transplant and his two teenage daughters were headed to Candlestick Park to see their beloved New Orleans Saints take on the San Francisco 49ers in a divisional playoff game. They came dressed in Saints jerseys and gear, ready to scream "Who Dat" and cheer their team to victory.

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New Orleans Saints fans are surrounded by elated Niners fans after a first quarter interception in the NFC divisional playoff game between the New Orleans Saints and San Francisco 49ers at Candlestick Park on Sunday, January 14, 2012. A number of Saints fans complained about the fan experience at Candlestick Park that day.
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Unfortunately their outing quickly turned into a nightmare as their joy was invaded by mean-spirited and aggressive 49ers fans in the parking lot and near their seats. Moses and his daughters feared for their safety as fans screamed in their faces, threatened physical harm and bombarded them with F-bombs and all types of insults.

The threats and anger seemed to come from every direction: in front of them; behind them; to either side. Menacing 49ers fans were all around them.

Moses is certain about the only thing that saved him and his daughters from harm last January was the Saints losing the game.

"I was really worried if the Saints had won the game," Moses recalled this week. "I really thought if we had won that we were going to be physically in danger. I was really worried about what we were going to do. We were just going to put our heads down and wait for an hour.

"When the Saints lost, I felt a fair amount of relief. I grabbed the girls and we sprinted out. Everybody was busy celebrating; they didn't care."

New Orleans Saints fans well-behaved, according to stadium executive
Moses and his daughters weren't alone that day in being harassed by aggressive and likely intoxicated 49ers fans. Several Saints fans who had flown into town to attend the divisional playoff game complained about how they were treated at Candlestick Park where there seemed to be no visible security.

Moses says he knows some Saints fans who had had enough of the harassment and returned to their hotels to watch the game. Moses wasn't one who made the choice to exit early.

"I thought about it and it just goes counter to every bit of fan support and going to games," Moses said. "I've gone to so many sporting events and Saints games and I stay to the end. I'm a loyal fan. I was there and I wanted to root on my team.

"At some point maybe that would have been the smart thing to do but I was caught up in the moment. It was an incredible football game. I was caught up in the game. I didn't want to leave. It would have felt like admitting defeat."

It wasn't a day the NFL, the 49ers or the city of San Francisco was proud of. It is a day that is conjuring old feelings as the 49ers (7-2-1) and Saints (5-5) get set to meet in the Mercedes-Benz Superdome in a key NFC matchup Sunday.

"It's really embarrassing because nobody wants to be known that way just because of a few knuckleheads that chose to behave that way," said Jim Mercurio, who is the 49ers' vice president for stadium operations and security. "It's not representative of the San Francisco 49ers, it's not representative of our fans and our fan base. It's representative of a couple of knuckleheads in that fan base.

"I'm sure there will be a number of 49ers fans who will travel down to New Orleans this weekend and I would hope and expect that when they walk into the venue down there that they treat those fans with the utmost respect while still rooting for their team. We are expecting there not to be any issues.

"New Orleans is a great city, San Francisco is a great city and both cities have great fans but on that one day not so good," he continued.


Excessive fan behavior and fan-on-fan violence has seemed to become more widespread in recent years and teams and the league are appearing to crack down hard on offenders as they promote a family friendly environment.

But no matter how hard any team or any league tries, there are still going to be incidents when you have thousands of fans, many of whom have spent the hours prior to kickoff drinking at tailgate parties and continuing the festivities during the game.

That is precisely what seemed to be the case in January when the Saints took on the 49ers at Candlestick Park. The rough housing was not going on just on the field but up in the stands that day.

Moses had never felt so helpless.

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A number of New Orleans Saints fans made the trip to San Francisco for the Saints-49ers playoff game last January.
Michael DeMocker, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune

"It was a pretty traumatic experience for me and my daughters and really was unlike anything I had seen or expected," said Moses, who grew up in Uptown but moved to the Bay Area 25 years ago. "I had gone to Saints games most of my life and it was nothing but everybody has a good time and respects the other team.

"It's very family friendly and people bring dates. It's just a nice atmosphere. There is some good-natured jeering but nothing that sort of hints at real violence.

"But at that game there were so many times I just thought we were going to get beat up and somebody was going to do physical harm to us because we were wearing Saints colors," he continued. "The amount of people that cursed at us was just unbelievable. I heard more F-bombs in three or four hours than I heard in 10 years. It was an unsettling experience."

The Saints-49ers game got the attention of the league and prompted the NFL security team into action to increase security at Candlestick Park. By the following week's NFC championship game against the New York Giants, the 49ers fans were under strict zero-tolerance guidelines and security was beefed up with more of presence from the San Francisco Police Department.

NFL chief security officer Jeffrey Miller met with Commissioner Roger Goodell to discuss his plan for dealing with Candlestick and making certain that a relative few rowdies did not detract from the desired NFL fan experience.

It might have seemed odd that such drastic measures were taken then and not following a preseason matchup in August 2011 between the 49ers and neighboring Oakland Raiders that saw two Oakland fans shot in a parking lot outside of Candlestick and another visiting fan severely beaten in one of the stadium bathrooms. The only significant action that seemed to come out of those events was an announcement that the 49ers and Raiders would no longer meet in preseason games.

"It was post the Saints-San Francisco game that we sat down here in New York," NFL head of security Ray DiNunzio said. "Jeff met with the commissioner and we prepared an extensive operations plan to ensure what happened at the game wouldn't happen the following week at the Giants game.

"We have been moving in a positive direction since."

While some incidents have continued to occur with aggressive fans in Candlestick Park, even as recently as Monday night's game against the Chicago Bears, Mercurio said a great deal of progress has been made.

"We've had some successes," Mercurio said. "We still have got some things that we would like to continue getting better at. We've had some good support from the NFL and San Francisco Police Department.

"We've had some pretty good successes but we don't want to rest on that either, you know."



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David Grunfeld, The Times-Picayune DAVID GRUNFELD / THE TIMES-PICAYUNE during a NFC playoff game at Candlestick Park in San Francisco, Ca. Saturday January 15, 2012.

                 
While much attention has been paid to Candlestick Park, the issue of aggressive/violent fans is widespread. There are fights in stadiums across the NFL each week whether it be in Oakland, Cleveland, New York, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia or even New Orleans.

The exact metrics on how many incidents occur are carefully tracked but not released by the NFL. The NFL and its teams, however, seem to go to great lengths to limit and even eliminate such actions.

Since 2008, all NFL teams have been guided by what is known as the NFL's "Best Practices on Fan Conduct" which is a set of rules of what is tolerated from fans and how to deal with unruly fans and keep the masses safe.

Teams are evaluated annually on how well they adhere to the NFL's recommendations, but ultimately it is up to the teams to decide to what extent they enforce the code of conduct guidelines.

SMG vice president Doug Thornton, whose company manages the Superdome in addition to NFL stadiums in Jacksonville, Houston and Chicago, says his security teams go above and beyond what is required in assuring the best possible fan experience.

For instance, at all of the stadiums SMG manages they have what is known as the Integrated Command Post which is comprised of 14 people from different departments such as housekeeping, ushering, engineering, food services, police and fire department. They are positioned at the highest peak of the venue and equipped with communications technology to identify a problem in their specified area, then dispatch and deal immediately with any issue that may arise.

Additionally, the Superdome has 200 cameras positioned inside and outside of the building that can zoom in on any area or any trouble-maker.

"We at a minimum adhere to the NFL's Best Practices and we are graded on that each and every year by the NFL," Thornton said. "They come in and they mystery shop us. That means they are secret shopping, they have undercover folks doing investigative work and they mystery shop us every year. They do an internal report that is published for the league and the security directors and owners."

By most accounts, the majority of 73,000-plus fans who pack the Superdome on football Sundays are well behaved but it is still quite an undertaking to keep what amounts to be the eighth-largest city in Louisiana safe each week.

"So you have all of the challenges you would have in a small city," Thornton said. "You have care and feeding for the public, you have plumbing, electrical and mechanical issues, you have technical issues.

"Security is a No. 1 priority for us and it is a No. 1 priority for the NFL and that's why the NFL created the Fan Code of Conduct here a few years ago."

Following each game, every home team is required to hand over to the NFL security team the metrics on incidents during, before and after the game. That information is compiled throughout the season to give league security a better sense of where the most troubled venues are, at what points in the game incidents are most likely to occur and how these incidents can be mitigated.

Additionally, the NFL sends out an auditing team to evaluate how well each team adheres to the best practices recommendations. The league also sends research groups out at least once a year to all 31 NFL stadiums to conduct between 250 and 350 surveys of fans, gauging their game experience.

"We rate each club and provide the owner with a very detailed analysis of all the metrics that we capture throughout the course of a season," Miller said. "Then we use that formula for the ratings and then we provide information on how they can improve on what they have done and what they need to do in getting ready for the next season."

But even with such detailed measures taken there is still no guaranteed way to ensure incidents won't arise. The NFL just wants to mitigate the actions of a few to ensure the enjoyment for the majority of the fans.

"Like the commissioner said we want to take it from an R-rating to a PG-13 and that's what we are trying to do," Miller said. "We are making some progress and we know that from the fan surveys.

"We're not perfect, we're not done, we have plenty of work to do and we are going to continue to do that work but I think we are moving in the right direction."

But noted sociologist Jerry M. Lewis, who has done extensive research in sports sociology and has written the book "Sports Fan Violence In North America," says the problem with fan-on-fan violence not only will continue but it is likely to get worse.

Lewis says that is likely because the profile of the typical trouble-maker in stadiums and arenas is not likely to change anytime soon. While code words such as thugs and hoodlums have been use to describe the bullying fans at Candlestick, Lewis said the typical problem people are young to middle age white men who make up the vast majority of the spectators.

"Unfortunately, I don't see it ending in the near future because of the circumstances of the male role," said Lewis, who is an emeritus professor at Kent State University just outside of Cleveland. "It's not older people, it's not for the most part blacks who are involved in the fan violence. It tends to be located in a relatively small demographic category: young and not so young white males and they are not going to go away because they are one of the big supporters of sports.

"You go to Cavs games for example, it's a predominantly black team but the fans are almost all white."

Lewis says another problem is the mixed signals fans receive from the home team about behavior. They are encouraged to be aggressive by being told to yell, scream and even do things like wave their arms to distract shooters or even field-goal kickers.

"There is a lot of anger in our society. One way to get rid of it is to do it at sporting events," Lewis said. "You know organizations give permission to be rowdy. They tell you to yell, shout and try to interfere with the free throws with the wands so there are all kinds of ways the organization gives the fan permission to do what he normally wouldn't do on the streets.

"In my lectures, students wouldn't get up and start waving their books at me to interfere with my lectures."

At any rate, it doesn't sound like Moses will be taking in any NFL games involving his favorite team even if there is a rematch at Candlestick during the playoffs.

"I know one thing, I wouldn't wear any of my Saints gear," he said. "I wouldn't bring my daughters, either. So if I am going to do that I don't know if I would go to the game because in my mind that is part of being a fan. If you can't bring your family, you can't wear your team's colors and cheer for your team I don't know. That's a great question.

"But I am guessing I just wouldn't want to go. It wouldn't be worth it just to sit there, be quiet and worry about my safety. That just sort of defeats the purpose."

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Enjoyable watching the Jets humiliated, at home, on a national day of sloth.  Two years ago, Rex Ryan was guaranteeing a Super Bowl for the D-A Jets.  D-A Jets will be lucky to win another game.

More humiliationism for Cowboys too.  The Ryan brothers embody The Big Fat ethic currently favored in the U.S., and will crash and biff along with it.  See?  See what happens when The Big Fat infests itself in the heart and souls of our once great country?  Shame.  Disgrace. Abashment.  Discomposure.  Ignominy.  Stupefaction.  Shades of Brigham Young at Mountain Meadow.  Shades of The Western Schism.  Shades of Rice at Tripoli.  Shades of Craig at MSP.


We have our hands full with the Browns this week end......at least the few players we have left to field do


Yeah, I know.  Season was beginning to look promising, and now we're even with the Browns.  Most injured team in football, almost as if something is wrong with conditioning.  

Nonetheless, for America, it remains............
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NFL making fan safety a high priority as aggressive behavior escalates
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Terrance Harris, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune


In Dan Moses' mind, the gorgeous January day in San Francisco couldn't have been better. The New Orleans native turned Bay Area transplant and his two teenage daughters were headed to Candlestick Park to see their beloved New Orleans Saints take on the San Francisco 49ers in a divisional playoff game. They came dressed in Saints jerseys and gear, ready to scream "Who Dat" and cheer their team to victory.

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New Orleans Saints fans are surrounded by elated Niners fans after a first quarter interception in the NFC divisional playoff game between the New Orleans Saints and San Francisco 49ers at Candlestick Park on Sunday, January 14, 2012. A number of Saints fans complained about the fan experience at Candlestick Park that day.
Michael DeMocker, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune

Unfortunately their outing quickly turned into a nightmare as their joy was invaded by mean-spirited and aggressive 49ers fans in the parking lot and near their seats. Moses and his daughters feared for their safety as fans screamed in their faces, threatened physical harm and bombarded them with F-bombs and all types of insults.

The threats and anger seemed to come from every direction: in front of them; behind them; to either side. Menacing 49ers fans were all around them.

Moses is certain about the only thing that saved him and his daughters from harm last January was the Saints losing the game.

"I was really worried if the Saints had won the game," Moses recalled this week. "I really thought if we had won that we were going to be physically in danger. I was really worried about what we were going to do. We were just going to put our heads down and wait for an hour.

"When the Saints lost, I felt a fair amount of relief. I grabbed the girls and we sprinted out. Everybody was busy celebrating; they didn't care."

New Orleans Saints fans well-behaved, according to stadium executive
Moses and his daughters weren't alone that day in being harassed by aggressive and likely intoxicated 49ers fans. Several Saints fans who had flown into town to attend the divisional playoff game complained about how they were treated at Candlestick Park where there seemed to be no visible security.

Moses says he knows some Saints fans who had had enough of the harassment and returned to their hotels to watch the game. Moses wasn't one who made the choice to exit early.

"I thought about it and it just goes counter to every bit of fan support and going to games," Moses said. "I've gone to so many sporting events and Saints games and I stay to the end. I'm a loyal fan. I was there and I wanted to root on my team.

"At some point maybe that would have been the smart thing to do but I was caught up in the moment. It was an incredible football game. I was caught up in the game. I didn't want to leave. It would have felt like admitting defeat."

It wasn't a day the NFL, the 49ers or the city of San Francisco was proud of. It is a day that is conjuring old feelings as the 49ers (7-2-1) and Saints (5-5) get set to meet in the Mercedes-Benz Superdome in a key NFC matchup Sunday.

"It's really embarrassing because nobody wants to be known that way just because of a few knuckleheads that chose to behave that way," said Jim Mercurio, who is the 49ers' vice president for stadium operations and security. "It's not representative of the San Francisco 49ers, it's not representative of our fans and our fan base. It's representative of a couple of knuckleheads in that fan base.

"I'm sure there will be a number of 49ers fans who will travel down to New Orleans this weekend and I would hope and expect that when they walk into the venue down there that they treat those fans with the utmost respect while still rooting for their team. We are expecting there not to be any issues.

"New Orleans is a great city, San Francisco is a great city and both cities have great fans but on that one day not so good," he continued.


Excessive fan behavior and fan-on-fan violence has seemed to become more widespread in recent years and teams and the league are appearing to crack down hard on offenders as they promote a family friendly environment.

But no matter how hard any team or any league tries, there are still going to be incidents when you have thousands of fans, many of whom have spent the hours prior to kickoff drinking at tailgate parties and continuing the festivities during the game.

That is precisely what seemed to be the case in January when the Saints took on the 49ers at Candlestick Park. The rough housing was not going on just on the field but up in the stands that day.

Moses had never felt so helpless.

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A number of New Orleans Saints fans made the trip to San Francisco for the Saints-49ers playoff game last January.
Michael DeMocker, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune

"It was a pretty traumatic experience for me and my daughters and really was unlike anything I had seen or expected," said Moses, who grew up in Uptown but moved to the Bay Area 25 years ago. "I had gone to Saints games most of my life and it was nothing but everybody has a good time and respects the other team.

"It's very family friendly and people bring dates. It's just a nice atmosphere. There is some good-natured jeering but nothing that sort of hints at real violence.

"But at that game there were so many times I just thought we were going to get beat up and somebody was going to do physical harm to us because we were wearing Saints colors," he continued. "The amount of people that cursed at us was just unbelievable. I heard more F-bombs in three or four hours than I heard in 10 years. It was an unsettling experience."

The Saints-49ers game got the attention of the league and prompted the NFL security team into action to increase security at Candlestick Park. By the following week's NFC championship game against the New York Giants, the 49ers fans were under strict zero-tolerance guidelines and security was beefed up with more of presence from the San Francisco Police Department.

NFL chief security officer Jeffrey Miller met with Commissioner Roger Goodell to discuss his plan for dealing with Candlestick and making certain that a relative few rowdies did not detract from the desired NFL fan experience.

It might have seemed odd that such drastic measures were taken then and not following a preseason matchup in August 2011 between the 49ers and neighboring Oakland Raiders that saw two Oakland fans shot in a parking lot outside of Candlestick and another visiting fan severely beaten in one of the stadium bathrooms. The only significant action that seemed to come out of those events was an announcement that the 49ers and Raiders would no longer meet in preseason games.

"It was post the Saints-San Francisco game that we sat down here in New York," NFL head of security Ray DiNunzio said. "Jeff met with the commissioner and we prepared an extensive operations plan to ensure what happened at the game wouldn't happen the following week at the Giants game.

"We have been moving in a positive direction since."

While some incidents have continued to occur with aggressive fans in Candlestick Park, even as recently as Monday night's game against the Chicago Bears, Mercurio said a great deal of progress has been made.

"We've had some successes," Mercurio said. "We still have got some things that we would like to continue getting better at. We've had some good support from the NFL and San Francisco Police Department.

"We've had some pretty good successes but we don't want to rest on that either, you know."



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David Grunfeld, The Times-Picayune DAVID GRUNFELD / THE TIMES-PICAYUNE during a NFC playoff game at Candlestick Park in San Francisco, Ca. Saturday January 15, 2012.

                 
While much attention has been paid to Candlestick Park, the issue of aggressive/violent fans is widespread. There are fights in stadiums across the NFL each week whether it be in Oakland, Cleveland, New York, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia or even New Orleans.

The exact metrics on how many incidents occur are carefully tracked but not released by the NFL. The NFL and its teams, however, seem to go to great lengths to limit and even eliminate such actions.

Since 2008, all NFL teams have been guided by what is known as the NFL's "Best Practices on Fan Conduct" which is a set of rules of what is tolerated from fans and how to deal with unruly fans and keep the masses safe.

Teams are evaluated annually on how well they adhere to the NFL's recommendations, but ultimately it is up to the teams to decide to what extent they enforce the code of conduct guidelines.

SMG vice president Doug Thornton, whose company manages the Superdome in addition to NFL stadiums in Jacksonville, Houston and Chicago, says his security teams go above and beyond what is required in assuring the best possible fan experience.

For instance, at all of the stadiums SMG manages they have what is known as the Integrated Command Post which is comprised of 14 people from different departments such as housekeeping, ushering, engineering, food services, police and fire department. They are positioned at the highest peak of the venue and equipped with communications technology to identify a problem in their specified area, then dispatch and deal immediately with any issue that may arise.

Additionally, the Superdome has 200 cameras positioned inside and outside of the building that can zoom in on any area or any trouble-maker.

"We at a minimum adhere to the NFL's Best Practices and we are graded on that each and every year by the NFL," Thornton said. "They come in and they mystery shop us. That means they are secret shopping, they have undercover folks doing investigative work and they mystery shop us every year. They do an internal report that is published for the league and the security directors and owners."

By most accounts, the majority of 73,000-plus fans who pack the Superdome on football Sundays are well behaved but it is still quite an undertaking to keep what amounts to be the eighth-largest city in Louisiana safe each week.

"So you have all of the challenges you would have in a small city," Thornton said. "You have care and feeding for the public, you have plumbing, electrical and mechanical issues, you have technical issues.

"Security is a No. 1 priority for us and it is a No. 1 priority for the NFL and that's why the NFL created the Fan Code of Conduct here a few years ago."

Following each game, every home team is required to hand over to the NFL security team the metrics on incidents during, before and after the game. That information is compiled throughout the season to give league security a better sense of where the most troubled venues are, at what points in the game incidents are most likely to occur and how these incidents can be mitigated.

Additionally, the NFL sends out an auditing team to evaluate how well each team adheres to the best practices recommendations. The league also sends research groups out at least once a year to all 31 NFL stadiums to conduct between 250 and 350 surveys of fans, gauging their game experience.

"We rate each club and provide the owner with a very detailed analysis of all the metrics that we capture throughout the course of a season," Miller said. "Then we use that formula for the ratings and then we provide information on how they can improve on what they have done and what they need to do in getting ready for the next season."

But even with such detailed measures taken there is still no guaranteed way to ensure incidents won't arise. The NFL just wants to mitigate the actions of a few to ensure the enjoyment for the majority of the fans.

"Like the commissioner said we want to take it from an R-rating to a PG-13 and that's what we are trying to do," Miller said. "We are making some progress and we know that from the fan surveys.

"We're not perfect, we're not done, we have plenty of work to do and we are going to continue to do that work but I think we are moving in the right direction."

But noted sociologist Jerry M. Lewis, who has done extensive research in sports sociology and has written the book "Sports Fan Violence In North America," says the problem with fan-on-fan violence not only will continue but it is likely to get worse.

Lewis says that is likely because the profile of the typical trouble-maker in stadiums and arenas is not likely to change anytime soon. While code words such as thugs and hoodlums have been use to describe the bullying fans at Candlestick, Lewis said the typical problem people are young to middle age white men who make up the vast majority of the spectators.

"Unfortunately, I don't see it ending in the near future because of the circumstances of the male role," said Lewis, who is an emeritus professor at Kent State University just outside of Cleveland. "It's not older people, it's not for the most part blacks who are involved in the fan violence. It tends to be located in a relatively small demographic category: young and not so young white males and they are not going to go away because they are one of the big supporters of sports.

"You go to Cavs games for example, it's a predominantly black team but the fans are almost all white."

Lewis says another problem is the mixed signals fans receive from the home team about behavior. They are encouraged to be aggressive by being told to yell, scream and even do things like wave their arms to distract shooters or even field-goal kickers.

"There is a lot of anger in our society. One way to get rid of it is to do it at sporting events," Lewis said. "You know organizations give permission to be rowdy. They tell you to yell, shout and try to interfere with the free throws with the wands so there are all kinds of ways the organization gives the fan permission to do what he normally wouldn't do on the streets.

"In my lectures, students wouldn't get up and start waving their books at me to interfere with my lectures."

At any rate, it doesn't sound like Moses will be taking in any NFL games involving his favorite team even if there is a rematch at Candlestick during the playoffs.

"I know one thing, I wouldn't wear any of my Saints gear," he said. "I wouldn't bring my daughters, either. So if I am going to do that I don't know if I would go to the game because in my mind that is part of being a fan. If you can't bring your family, you can't wear your team's colors and cheer for your team I don't know. That's a great question.

"But I am guessing I just wouldn't want to go. It wouldn't be worth it just to sit there, be quiet and worry about my safety. That just sort of defeats the purpose."

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SCL, Harbaugh is batshit crazy to pull an established starter in week 11 because of one good game by a rook.  He should make him wait for open competition next camp.  But the damage may already be done . . .  Oh no! not you again
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SCL, Harbaugh is batshit crazy to pull an established starter in week 11 because of one good game by a rook.  He should make him wait for open competition next camp.  But the damage may already be done . . .  Oh no! not you again

He's a mad genius Zack. Alex plays not to lose. Kap was playing to win last week. He gave the Niners a vertical passing game that's been missing. Saints defense isn't the Bears. Should be another W for my boys. Let's go get drunk
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Whats left of the Steelers will have their hands full today with the Browns who are playing their Super Bowl.
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Anybody else watch the Browns beat a crappy DII team today?

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CLEVELAND (AP) -- The Pittsburgh Steelers have more to worry about than starting a 37-year-old, third-string quarterback.

Their playoff lives are in peril.

Chris Rainey's fumble with 2:25 left - Pittsburgh's seventh turnover - was recovered by Cleveland's Phil Taylor and the Browns handed their hated rivals a potentially devastating loss, 20-14 on Sunday.

Charlie Batch, forced to start at quarterback for Pittsburgh because of injuries to Ben Roethlisberger and Byron Leftwich, was picked off three times and the Steelers (6-5) lost five fumbles, the last on a final-play lateral to help the Browns (3-8) beat Pittsburgh for just the second time in 18 games.

Browns rookie quarterback Brandon Weeden sustained a head injury in the final minutes, allowing backup Colt McCoy to come in and finish off a victory that Cleveland fans will savor long after this season ends.

Rookie Trent Richardson rushed for 85 yards, scoring the go-ahead touchdown for the Browns on a 15-yard run in the third.

Batch finished 20 of 34 for 199 yards.

For one of the few times in recent years, the Browns were finally able to win a close game. And this one had to please new owner Jimmy Haslam, who had a minority share of the Steelers before buying the Browns for $1.05 billion in August.

One of his goals was to revive one of the NFL's fiercest rivalries, which has been shaded in yellow and black for most of the past decade. Even with the loss, Pittsburgh is 23-5 against Cleveland since 1999, but in each of the seasons they lost one game to the Browns, the Steelers missed the playoffs.

That could happen again. Pittsburgh came in trailing first-place Baltimore by two games in the AFC North, and will visit the Ravens next week.

Coach Mike Tomlin has a lot to work on before then.

All four Pittsburgh running backs fumbled and while Batch didn't necessarily hurt the Steelers, he didn't make enough big plays either. The Steelers were also called for several holding penalties that slowed drives.

Wide receiver Plaxico Burress, re-signed by the Steelers during the week, did not have a reception but did draw an interference penalty in the end zone.

Weeden finished 17 of 26 for 158 yards, but the 29-year-old was taken to the locker room in the closing minutes. He banged his head on the leg of teammate Joe Thomas as he fell to the ground and got up groggily. The Browns then turned to McCoy, their former starter who sustained a concussion the last time the Browns faced the Steelers on a vicious hit by James Harrison.

Pittsburgh lost linebacker LaMarr Woodley in the first half with a left ankle injury.

Phil Dawson kicked field goals of 28 and 32 yards for the Browns.

Cleveland's fourth takeaway set up Richardson's TD run.

Browns cornerback Sheldon Brown, picked on during the Steelers' late scoring drive in the first half, intercepted Batch at Pittsburgh's 31.

Two completions by Weeden got it to the 10, and after a false-start penalty, Richardson burst up the middle, ran through some arm tackles and scored to make it 20-14.

The Steelers led 14-13 at halftime despite losing three fumbles, converting just one third down and keeping Batch under wraps.

One play after Brown was called for pushing Burress in the end zone, Rainey, on the field only because the three Pittsburgh running backs ahead of him fumbled, scored on a 1-yard TD run after being stopped for no gain.

Rainey was stuffed on a carry over center by several Browns, who knocked him backward. Rainey, though, kept his legs moving and ran untouched into the end zone with 1 second left before halftime.

The Browns capitalized on a fumble by Isaac Redman when Weeden hit tight end Jordan Cameron for a 5-yard TD, giving Cleveland a 10-7 lead in the second quarter.

Redman fumbled at Pittsburgh's 10 and when he came to the sideline, he and Rashard Mendenhall, who coughed the ball up earlier to set up a field goal for the Browns, got an earful from running backs coach Kirby Wilson.

Weeden had been struggling in the red zone of late, but he hooked with Cameron, who scored his first career TD.

Cleveland was winning the battle of field position, pinning Pittsburgh deep and daring Batch to try and throw and beat them. He had little success, and the Browns took a 13-7 lead on Dawson's 32-yarder, making him 21 of 21 this season.

It took the Steelers just 71 seconds to take a 7-0 lead.

On Cleveland's third play, Weeden's pass to Greg Little was tipped at the line by Steelers end Brett Keisel and caught on the fly by Lawrence Timmons, who took it back 53 yards.
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Miami -- Stadium lawn sprinklers have briefly showered the Miami Dolphins and Seattle Seahawks during the third quarter of their game.

On a cloudless afternoon, the sprinklers came on between plays and covered most of the field Sunday, drawing a cheer from the crowd and causing a brief delay. The sprinklers were quickly turned off, and players toweled off before the action resumed.

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sweetcharmedlife wrote on Nov 20th, 2012 at 11:27am:
I do hope the Niners stick with Kapernick. He just looked so smooth. Throws a nice ball and gave the passing game some vertical trheats to it. Instead of the dink and dunk that Alex Smith throws.



until defenses have a book on the rook in about 3 games (what he does in certain looks what he likes etc) then its back to earth like luck and cam et al.

smith for all his faults didn't lose the championship game last year he brought niners there. kyle williams cost you a trip to the dance. wait and see harbaugh is good coach hell we wanted him but he is going to create issues sooner or later it will be a distraction.

It's not like baseball where once a team sees a pitcher a couple of times they figure him out. They can look at all the film they want. It's the system that works in football. HArbaugh is a mad genius. If he think Kap is the man. Works for me.



time will tell assuming your a niners fan i am sure you know smiths record over past 2 seasons. one I would surely be happy with. Kappy with the Defense beat the Saints nicely yesterday. anyone who doesn't know who defenses work and build a book on QB's is not fully grasping what they do. Kappy who we looked at and I wish we took for that matter doesn't have a body of work big enough in the NFL for D's to work against him but bet your life D's are building it. now wether coach can hide his flaws or Kappy feet hide them thats another matter but don't think it's not what they do as it most surely is... some QB's by 4 or 5 games have built up enough signs of what they like to do in a given situation, how they play versus zone, man to man, cover 2, tampa 2 etc. I don't know baseball as its i would rather watch paint dry, but having gone thru 16 QB's since 1999 when danny retired I would say i have a good grasp on how it works.

that said good luck to ya as in the NFC I wouldn't be suprised to see giants/niners in NFC championship game again.
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